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Re: Telescoping tiller M15
by Mike Epp 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

I've cut about 8inches off mine....no harm, less cockpit invasion On August 18, 2022, at 11:47 PM, Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: Skippers For tacking out the channel in light air I wish the tiller was about 1/2 its length Is there a telescoping tiller out there? Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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MSOG.ORG shutting down
by David Grah 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

Doug, thanks so much for keeping the site going as long as you did. It has been an invaluable resource. My best to you! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Sky Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 01:04:36 -0400 From: Douglas King <orchardhillking(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: MSOG.ORG shutting down To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <CAEo1YsSkpMOkQRmq0v03enMwWOhTev8RU3T6HVetfQRC7vqAkw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Well, after 20 years of existence, it's time to close the MSOG.ORG website down. Although pretty good in its (my) heyday, I find I can no longer maintain it as it should be maintained. Over the past several years, age and infirmity have gotten the best of me. I retired early about 14 years ago and no longer even remember how to program the site. It's not in very good shape anymore and needs to go. It will probably remain online for another month or so but I've decided not to make the $80 payment due in October (other half in April). So if there's any info you want from it, better get it while you can. Doug King msog(a)msog.org

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Telescoping tiller M15
by David Grah 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

Funny, I extended my stock tiller 6 inches or so several years ago and have been very happy being able to sit comfortably further forward. I've never felt limited by the longer tiller when maneuvering. It hasn't even seemed to impact room in the cockpit much. David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 Sky Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 03:47:09 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> Subject: M_Boats: Telescoping tiller M15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB38599B6F89A7A90052110FC0D56C9(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Skippers For tacking out the channel in light air I wish the tiller was about 1/2 its length Is there a telescoping tiller out there? Capt Jim

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MSOG shutting down
by Lenny Corin 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

Hi Doug, Thanks for all you’ve done for the Montgomery community. I’ve learned so much as a result. Best to you in the future. I do hope all the information can be preserved/migrated to all a new site. Lenny Corin M-17 Orli Sent from my iPad

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Telescoping tiller M15
by Jim Sadler 18 Aug '22

18 Aug '22

Skippers For tacking out the channel in light air I wish the tiller was about 1/2 its length Is there a telescoping tiller out there? Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6
by Deane Atherton 18 Aug '22

18 Aug '22

Thanks for centreboard pin stats folks. I’m sourcing rod locally here in Canada. No doubt I’ll find the original pin after I go to the trouble. And Jerry, it is one of your boats. We brought her up from Virginia to Ontario where we explore the north shore of Georgian Bay together. She’s one tough little boat. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Centreboard pin dimensions (John Schinnerer) 2. Re: Registration (WILLIAM CAMPION) 3. M15 for sale in Pennsylvania (Lang Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 14:10:56 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Centreboard pin dimensions To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <bd94cef7-dcc8-a7c9-7ecd-0f5b0e00fc83(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Duckworks has silicon bronze round rod: https://duckworks.com/silicon-bronze-round-rod/ Not cheap, but only fifty cents more than their stainless rod for a foot of 1/2". For the extra fifty cents, you won't have to check it in 80 years... :-) cheers, John On 5/8/22 11:43, jerry montgomery wrote: > If it's one of my boats, it's almost certainly 1/2". I don't remember the length but stick something thru the hole and you can measure it accurately. > > Use bronze if you can find it, otherwise stainless is OK if you change it every 80 years or so. > > ________________________________ > From: Deane Atherton <deanathe(a)hotmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 5:22 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Centreboard pin dimensions > > Hey folks, > > Does anybody know the dimensions of the stainless pin that holds the centreboard. Unfortunately, I misplaced mine while doing a foil repair. > > Cheers, > Deane Atherton > > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 7:03:05 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M15 standing rigging (Jim Sadler) > 2. Registration (Jon Barber) > 3. Re: Registration (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 22:32:53 +0000 > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB38594415C5C12628D91DEEB2D5C59(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam > prd13.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Thanks skippers > Good advice j > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 3:31:20 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Thanks Skipper …..good advice! > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 1:15:46 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Jim: > > Jerry and his crew built near 450 M15s that have the Nicopress eyes and the > thru bolt at the hounds. I can't remember when I've read/heard one of > these failing (I've read/seen the M15 shroud chainplates at the hull joint > failing - one of the bolts because of crevice corrosion). > > The lower machine swag fitting I've also done - using the same tool, > meaning the tool Jerry actually used, to attach the fitting to the wire. > > I've built many M15 standing rigs myself. > > The work is easy and nothing complicated for an competent shop. The West > Marine Rigging locations have trained staff. Same goes for smaller rigging > shops. > > The M15 rig is simple and strong. Folks have bent their masts after > hitting trees and the shrouds survive with no obvious damage (though I > would recommend replacing as they have obviously been stressed). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Fri, May 6, 2022, 12:18 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > >> That’s the problem >> >> How do you know if it was done right until you have lost your mast. >> >> On my M15 the top of the shroud has a mickeymouse crimped fitting with a >> thimble and a thru bolt in the mast. It has served me well for the 40 yr >> I have owned the Pelican. It seem like a similar rigging would work just >> as well at the bottom of the shroud only with "hardware store" cable >> clamps. >> >> As I am rounding the west end of Catalina I would at least not be >> wondering about the workman ship and experience of the technician at West >> Marine. >> >> Does anyone ever load test these? They do this with crane rigging as a >> requirement. >> >> Thanx Dave for your incite on this and everything else you have helped me >> with >> >> I am on a mission to rig the Pelican to sail in the "real ocean" and be >> able to respond to those who ask "Does this cute little boat really go into >> the ocean?" >> >> Capt Jim >> SV. Pelican >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 11:04 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging >> >> Jim: >> >> can't you get a local rigger to do it right? Or send them to a rigger by >> mail? West Marine Rigging, or any rigging shop, can make you a new set. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com >> :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 >> :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ >> :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ >> :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ < >> http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> >> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:32 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes >>> (3) per connection with SS thimbles >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 10:00 AM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging >>> >>> You mean hardware store wire rope clamps like this? >>> >>> https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/chain-and-rope/rope-a >>> nd-chain-accessories/5007037 >>> >>> Or something else? >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> On 5/6/22 08:10, Jim Sadler wrote: >>>> Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Capt Jim >>>> SV Pelican M 15 >>>> >>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - >>> 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 15:45:55 -0700 > From: Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Registration > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <CAFwAWQuL1PoemYSidEUYR+0oeBZuH-baR9HL=60ADmRKoCLLRQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery > sailboat. > Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are > titled? > I have a CA title. > > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 16:02:32 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6WL9nyJ7mKag=-mA087+4AsFZ0W7a8jiGfPHhOfO8pOA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. > > I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up stating > their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery >> sailboat. >> Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are >> titled? >> I have a CA title. >> >> Jon Barber >> Monty17 >> Ol'44 >> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 > ************************************************ -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 21:16:44 -0400 From: WILLIAM CAMPION <wcampion(a)aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration To: dalew <dalew(a)e3digital.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CDC355FD-F5F9-481C-B83A-DC17841D0EFB(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jon, I owned an M-10 for awhile and it was titled as a Montgomery Ward. After I bought the boat I tried to have it corrected but that opened up a whole other can of worms. So I sailed my Montgomery Ward for a few years before I ended up selling her. William Campion > On May 8, 2022, at 4:17 PM, dalew <dalew(a)e3digital.com> wrote: > > Ha! The title for my Minnesota 1980 M17 also says SEAKING and I always wondered where that came from. Now I know! > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration >> Sent: 08 May '22 03:49 >> >> Correction: I just double checked my registration card. Monita is >> registered as a 1979 SEAKING! >> >> SEAKING is the house brand name Montgomery Ward used for their outboard >> motors and other boating gear back in the day. I believe the Seaking >> Motors were actually made by Evinrude. >> >> Not a big deal as it is on the state DNR registration only. No titles for >> boats here in MN. >> >> Henry >> M17 Monita >> >>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 6:46 PM Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yep. Mine is a MonkeyWards. >>> >>> Henry >>> Monita >>> >>>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 6:03 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. >>>> >>>> I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up >>>> stating >>>> their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. >>>> >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>>> site! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery >>>>> sailboat. >>>>> Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats >>>> are >>>>> titled? >>>>> I have a CA title. >>>>> >>>>> Jon Barber >>>>> Monty17 >>>>> Ol'44 >>>>> >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:09:34 -0400 From: Lang Smith <envirogeogprof(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 for sale in Pennsylvania To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <CAOEvHOBgKj8C2R0xHV7K+_gkpKMFjLuAPp-3PYdUed04g3ujyg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 1985 M15 for sale in great shape. New sails, Honda outboard, sail covers, only used lightly for two seasons. Has nice aluminum trailer, but will need homemade trailer title if you plan to license it. Was a Wisconsin boat, where small trailers are not licensed. Located in Grove City, Pennsylvania. Email for photos, more info. $5,900. Lang Smith: envirogeogprof(a)gmail.com -- Follow me on Twitter @Envirogeogprof ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6 ************************************************

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by David Grah 17 Aug '22

17 Aug '22

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Speaking of the Montgomery 6-8...look down under, mate!
by John Schinnerer 17 Aug '22

17 Aug '22

Just stumbled over this: https://dinghies-daysailers.com/index.html#dinghies It would seem to appear that the M6-8 is in production in Australia, in the vicinity of Jervis bay, south of Sydney?!? But...the site has no other pages, and may by older than it looks, or...? Anyone shed any light? It's about the only relevant search result I can find, besides the excellent write-up on Dave Scobie's S/V Swallow site: https://sv-swallow.com/the-dinghy/ ...which corrects the attribution on the Aussie site about the design being Lyle Hess'. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: Anchor size
by Lawrence Winiarski 16 Aug '22

16 Aug '22

I've had times at anchor when the boat ends up with the waves coming from the beam because of a current or something. That makes the boat really roll, which is uncomfortable to sleepHaving 2 anchors can be handy for that so you can get the boat more inline with the waves for a more comfortable sleep. It also allows you to limit swing if thatwas ever necessary. As far as anchor size goes, If I had to pick one anchor it would be an 8lb rocna for the m15. I've got a 13 lb mantus disassembled just in case I need 2, but that seemsoverkill...meh, still glad I have it as it's actually packs pretty small and I got it relatively cheap. On Sunday, August 14, 2022, 2:42:25 PM PDT, John Schinnerer . montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: What Dave said...lots of opinions, and, regional variations. I have a Rocna 4 for my M17. Have not yet used it in 'heavy' conditions but quite happy with it for light to medium, varied lake bottom situations - mud, sand, clay, primordial ooze, grassy/weedy or not, etc.. Mantus makes same basic designs, with a few differences. Theirs can be disassembled (bolts together) so as a backup/spare can be stowed in much less space than other anchors. Duckworks among others sells Mantus: https://duckworks.com/anchors-rodes-chain/ A Danforth type anchor came with the boat, I probably used it some before I got the Rocna but it was unwieldy and awkward to stow and deploy, and seemed less consistent as to setting quickly & snugly. Plus as you'll read in most any anchor review article they are good for bare mud/sand but poor for all other bottoms. If I were going to carry a second/secondary anchor, it would probably be a claw type, to add versatility to the spade (Rocna and similar) type. A downside of the claw is generally less holding power for a given size/weight (vs. spade types). So a bigger anchor for same holding power, which can be awkward to stow in small boats like ours. cheers, John On 8/14/22 12:14, Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats wrote: > Hello all, > I have a pretty standard equipment M17 from 1987. The boat came with a nice Danforth anchor when I bought it 15 years ago, and the anchor has served me well. > For reasons I am ashamed to explain, that anchor (together with its rode and chain) are now at the bottom of a lake. I will not provide details :) But I want to replace it, and I was curious as to > 1) Do most Montgomery owners favor Danforths over other types of anchors?2) What size (weight) Danforth do people use? I have seen them in 8lb, 9lb, 10lb, 12lb, 15lb weights, etc. > Thanks! > Andrei. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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M15 628
by Jim Sadler 15 Aug '22

15 Aug '22

Saw a glimpse of the vessel in Oceanside, Any of you skippers know who is the Captain? I thought the Pelican was the only M15 in Oceanside? Capt Jim SV Pelican Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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