August 2022 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Ann: I recommend - Remove the pan. It looks janky. Show the boat without it present. Clean up the area under the cockpit. Vac, scrub, etc. Better would be to paint with Interlux BilgeCoat. Follow prep as outlined on the can. Make sure the edge, from cutting out the pan, isn't sharp. If need sand away edge and burrs with 120g sandpaper. Don't sand the shiny visible bits of gel coat at the edge, just round off any sharps. Like a used car clean boat sells faster and for more money. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 3:05 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here it is.Lighting not great in the garage... > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Ann: > > Share a picture of what it looks like with the pan out. > > What you see is stock. Nothing added. It is how 'under space' below the > pan looks. > > There should be a couple plywood partial-bulkheads under the cockpit. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the photos. >> I see what you mean. Yours looks great. >> Honestly, I don't know who would do that kind of work or how much it >> would cost. Also, you have an insert. In my boat, the guy put a piece of >> plywood down below, which also looks terrible. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 3/21/22 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >> >> Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. >> >> You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor >> presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan >> needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not >> sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look >> at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - >> https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are >>> alarmed. One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix >>> damage to the hull underneath. >>> Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >>> >>> Ann: >>> >>> Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see >>> the inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? >>> >>> My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was >>> great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock >>> lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. >>> >>> Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the >>> lockers???!!! Really??!! >>> >>> Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. >>> >>> All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. >>> >>> (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>> site! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in >>>> the garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for >>>> sale. I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the >>>> starboard locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I >>>> have since seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put >>>> the anchor in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone >>>> would cut the fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the >>>> locker restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann >>>> Keeton Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>>

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Sage15’s
by Rusty Knorr 30 Aug '22

30 Aug '22

It has been suggested by far smarter people than me that I should be trying to find a Sage15 or SageCat. I know there is someone on this list who is thinking about selling their boat, not using enough to justify it, etc. I’m just putting it out there, I’m looking for my “forever” boat, as this will be my last cruising boat before swallowing the hook. There has to be someone out there who has one, or knows someone who does, that is looking to, or even thinking about selling their Sage. PLEASE contact me directly off list if you can help me out! 🙏🙏🙏🙏 Rusty Knorr rustyknorr(a)gmail.com 206-719-3209 www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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Boat moving
by Rusty Knorr 30 Aug '22

30 Aug '22

Is it feasible to move an M15 around on the trailer by hand? I live in a townhouse, and need to store a boat in the garage. It needs to go in nose first, meaning rolling by hand on the jack (whatever boat I finally get will have the jack upgraded first thing.) The driveway is flat, but I’m wondering how easy it is to roll these boats on the trailer by hand, they’re small but it’s still a lot of weight for one guy! 🥵 Thanks all, Rusty Oh, and find me a nice M15 or Sage15 to buy!!! Please!!! 🙏🙏🙏😜 www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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MSOG.ORG shutting down
by Douglas King 20 Aug '22

20 Aug '22

Well, after 20 years of existence, it's time to close the MSOG.ORG website down. Although pretty good in its (my) heyday, I find I can no longer maintain it as it should be maintained. Over the past several years, age and infirmity have gotten the best of me. I retired early about 14 years ago and no longer even remember how to program the site. It's not in very good shape anymore and needs to go. It will probably remain online for another month or so but I've decided not to make the $80 payment due in October (other half in April). So if there's any info you want from it, better get it while you can. Doug King msog(a)msog.org

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Re: MSOG.ORG shutting down
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Aug '22

20 Aug '22

Go for it Gerry!! Bones

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Re: MSOG.ORG shutting down
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Aug '22

20 Aug '22

Connie, You have also supplied many stories to relish. Doug, kudos to you for all your efforts over the years! Mr. Bones Ex M-owner.

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List server NOT related to MSOG.ORG
by Douglas King 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

Correct John, MSOG.ORG website is NOT related to this listserv, which started well before the website. MSOG.ORG just provides info on subscribing, unsubscribing, and sending messages via the listserver, on MSOG.ORG, just for users' convenience.

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Creating a new listproc topic
by Dave Scobie 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

Paul and others wondering how to make a new message, aka a new topic, to the listproc: Send an email to the MSOG listproc, montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com. As a group member the listproc will send the message to the group. Be sure to put a topic in the email l's subject line. Don't just respond to an existing email as the subject line will not match the topic you are wanting to discuss/share. Paul - did these above instructions not come to you? I sent the above information yesterday, 18 Aug., at ~8am PDT. Please check your spam folder. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Fri, Aug 19, 2022, 11:51 AM Katy Kasriel <kpkasriel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I receive emails from this list, but don’t know how to send an email on a > subject/question I am interested in. How do I do it? > Thanks, > Paul Kasriel > 2005 M-17, “Reef-or-Madness” > Sturgeon Bay, WI >

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MSOG.ORG REPLACEMENT
by Bruce Chmieleski 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

First of all, thanks Doug for administering such a helpful resource for so long! I imagine you had many head-scratching moments with which to contend. I have no experience hosting listservs but do have some background in technology, mostly in the previous century. I am retired and willing to help find a hosting solution for MSOG. The folks at Gaggle (not Google) may be of help. Their “Personal” plan appears to be robust enough for our purposes, as it allows searchable archives with no time limit, at 10 cents/user/month, a nominal amount I think most folks would be willing to contribute to keep this boat afloat. They can also convert archives from other sites to their platform. I do not know the cost of that conversion but would be willing to contact Gaggle re: that. I would probably need to know details about the current MSOG platform (file type, number and size of files, number of users, etc.) to run an inquiry by Gaggle. For those intrepid souls who want more info, see https://gaggle.email/ Cheers, Bruce Chmieleski M-15 #364 TenderLee Sent by mental telepathy!

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