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fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Ann: I recommend - Remove the pan. It looks janky. Show the boat without it present. Clean up the area under the cockpit. Vac, scrub, etc. Better would be to paint with Interlux BilgeCoat. Follow prep as outlined on the can. Make sure the edge, from cutting out the pan, isn't sharp. If need sand away edge and burrs with 120g sandpaper. Don't sand the shiny visible bits of gel coat at the edge, just round off any sharps. Like a used car clean boat sells faster and for more money. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 3:05 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here it is.Lighting not great in the garage... > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Ann: > > Share a picture of what it looks like with the pan out. > > What you see is stock. Nothing added. It is how 'under space' below the > pan looks. > > There should be a couple plywood partial-bulkheads under the cockpit. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the photos. >> I see what you mean. Yours looks great. >> Honestly, I don't know who would do that kind of work or how much it >> would cost. Also, you have an insert. In my boat, the guy put a piece of >> plywood down below, which also looks terrible. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 3/21/22 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >> >> Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. >> >> You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor >> presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan >> needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not >> sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look >> at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - >> https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are >>> alarmed. One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix >>> damage to the hull underneath. >>> Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >>> >>> Ann: >>> >>> Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see >>> the inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? >>> >>> My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was >>> great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock >>> lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. >>> >>> Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the >>> lockers???!!! Really??!! >>> >>> Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. >>> >>> All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. >>> >>> (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>> site! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in >>>> the garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for >>>> sale. I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the >>>> starboard locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I >>>> have since seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put >>>> the anchor in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone >>>> would cut the fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the >>>> locker restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann >>>> Keeton Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>>

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6
by Deane Atherton 18 Aug '22

18 Aug '22

Thanks for centreboard pin stats folks. I’m sourcing rod locally here in Canada. No doubt I’ll find the original pin after I go to the trouble. And Jerry, it is one of your boats. We brought her up from Virginia to Ontario where we explore the north shore of Georgian Bay together. She’s one tough little boat. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 11:10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Centreboard pin dimensions (John Schinnerer) 2. Re: Registration (WILLIAM CAMPION) 3. M15 for sale in Pennsylvania (Lang Smith) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 14:10:56 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Centreboard pin dimensions To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <bd94cef7-dcc8-a7c9-7ecd-0f5b0e00fc83(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Duckworks has silicon bronze round rod: https://duckworks.com/silicon-bronze-round-rod/ Not cheap, but only fifty cents more than their stainless rod for a foot of 1/2". For the extra fifty cents, you won't have to check it in 80 years... :-) cheers, John On 5/8/22 11:43, jerry montgomery wrote: > If it's one of my boats, it's almost certainly 1/2". I don't remember the length but stick something thru the hole and you can measure it accurately. > > Use bronze if you can find it, otherwise stainless is OK if you change it every 80 years or so. > > ________________________________ > From: Deane Atherton <deanathe(a)hotmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 5:22 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Centreboard pin dimensions > > Hey folks, > > Does anybody know the dimensions of the stainless pin that holds the centreboard. Unfortunately, I misplaced mine while doing a foil repair. > > Cheers, > Deane Atherton > > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 7:03:05 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M15 standing rigging (Jim Sadler) > 2. Registration (Jon Barber) > 3. Re: Registration (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 22:32:53 +0000 > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB38594415C5C12628D91DEEB2D5C59(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam > prd13.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Thanks skippers > Good advice j > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 3:31:20 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Thanks Skipper …..good advice! > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 1:15:46 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Jim: > > Jerry and his crew built near 450 M15s that have the Nicopress eyes and the > thru bolt at the hounds. I can't remember when I've read/heard one of > these failing (I've read/seen the M15 shroud chainplates at the hull joint > failing - one of the bolts because of crevice corrosion). > > The lower machine swag fitting I've also done - using the same tool, > meaning the tool Jerry actually used, to attach the fitting to the wire. > > I've built many M15 standing rigs myself. > > The work is easy and nothing complicated for an competent shop. The West > Marine Rigging locations have trained staff. Same goes for smaller rigging > shops. > > The M15 rig is simple and strong. Folks have bent their masts after > hitting trees and the shrouds survive with no obvious damage (though I > would recommend replacing as they have obviously been stressed). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Fri, May 6, 2022, 12:18 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > >> That’s the problem >> >> How do you know if it was done right until you have lost your mast. >> >> On my M15 the top of the shroud has a mickeymouse crimped fitting with a >> thimble and a thru bolt in the mast. It has served me well for the 40 yr >> I have owned the Pelican. It seem like a similar rigging would work just >> as well at the bottom of the shroud only with "hardware store" cable >> clamps. >> >> As I am rounding the west end of Catalina I would at least not be >> wondering about the workman ship and experience of the technician at West >> Marine. >> >> Does anyone ever load test these? They do this with crane rigging as a >> requirement. >> >> Thanx Dave for your incite on this and everything else you have helped me >> with >> >> I am on a mission to rig the Pelican to sail in the "real ocean" and be >> able to respond to those who ask "Does this cute little boat really go into >> the ocean?" >> >> Capt Jim >> SV. Pelican >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 11:04 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging >> >> Jim: >> >> can't you get a local rigger to do it right? Or send them to a rigger by >> mail? West Marine Rigging, or any rigging shop, can make you a new set. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com >> :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 >> :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ >> :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ >> :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ < >> http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> >> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:32 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes >>> (3) per connection with SS thimbles >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 10:00 AM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> >>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging >>> >>> You mean hardware store wire rope clamps like this? >>> >>> https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/chain-and-rope/rope-a >>> nd-chain-accessories/5007037 >>> >>> Or something else? >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> On 5/6/22 08:10, Jim Sadler wrote: >>>> Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Capt Jim >>>> SV Pelican M 15 >>>> >>>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - >>> 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 15:45:55 -0700 > From: Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Registration > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <CAFwAWQuL1PoemYSidEUYR+0oeBZuH-baR9HL=60ADmRKoCLLRQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery > sailboat. > Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are > titled? > I have a CA title. > > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 16:02:32 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6WL9nyJ7mKag=-mA087+4AsFZ0W7a8jiGfPHhOfO8pOA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. > > I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up stating > their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! > > > On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery >> sailboat. >> Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are >> titled? >> I have a CA title. >> >> Jon Barber >> Monty17 >> Ol'44 >> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 > ************************************************ -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 21:16:44 -0400 From: WILLIAM CAMPION <wcampion(a)aol.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration To: dalew <dalew(a)e3digital.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CDC355FD-F5F9-481C-B83A-DC17841D0EFB(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jon, I owned an M-10 for awhile and it was titled as a Montgomery Ward. After I bought the boat I tried to have it corrected but that opened up a whole other can of worms. So I sailed my Montgomery Ward for a few years before I ended up selling her. William Campion > On May 8, 2022, at 4:17 PM, dalew <dalew(a)e3digital.com> wrote: > > Ha! The title for my Minnesota 1980 M17 also says SEAKING and I always wondered where that came from. Now I know! > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration >> Sent: 08 May '22 03:49 >> >> Correction: I just double checked my registration card. Monita is >> registered as a 1979 SEAKING! >> >> SEAKING is the house brand name Montgomery Ward used for their outboard >> motors and other boating gear back in the day. I believe the Seaking >> Motors were actually made by Evinrude. >> >> Not a big deal as it is on the state DNR registration only. No titles for >> boats here in MN. >> >> Henry >> M17 Monita >> >>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 6:46 PM Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Yep. Mine is a MonkeyWards. >>> >>> Henry >>> Monita >>> >>>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 6:03 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. >>>> >>>> I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up >>>> stating >>>> their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. >>>> >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>>> site! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery >>>>> sailboat. >>>>> Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats >>>> are >>>>> titled? >>>>> I have a CA title. >>>>> >>>>> Jon Barber >>>>> Monty17 >>>>> Ol'44 >>>>> >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:09:34 -0400 From: Lang Smith <envirogeogprof(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 for sale in Pennsylvania To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <CAOEvHOBgKj8C2R0xHV7K+_gkpKMFjLuAPp-3PYdUed04g3ujyg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 1985 M15 for sale in great shape. New sails, Honda outboard, sail covers, only used lightly for two seasons. Has nice aluminum trailer, but will need homemade trailer title if you plan to license it. Was a Wisconsin boat, where small trailers are not licensed. Located in Grove City, Pennsylvania. Email for photos, more info. $5,900. Lang Smith: envirogeogprof(a)gmail.com -- Follow me on Twitter @Envirogeogprof ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 6 ************************************************

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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Fuel transfer
by Jim Sadler 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: Fuel transfer
by David Grah 31 May '22

31 May '22

I may be a bit late to this discussion but we've had really good luck with our Honda 2 horsepower outboard on our Montgomery 15 and it has had more than enough power in our experience except maybe once when motoring into a strong wind. We use the motor often on long trips and typically motor at low power settings. We get about 2 hours on the internal tank which I think is around a liter. We have an external tank, usually 3.5 gallons, that we pump with a outboard fuel hose with a bulb pump in it through a modified cap to fill the internal tank. This is a system I read about here. It works great even in rough seas. We secure the external tank in the back of the cockpit. We use the 3.5 gallon external tank each year we go to Lake Powell and, with some sailing in there, have covered I think over 150 miles lake some years on one 3.5 tank (we usually stop and add some but typically have ended with about what we put in). David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 6:31 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Fuel transfer Jim. The best fuel can setup is having one 1-gallon and a larger 2.5 gallon. The 1-gallon is used to fill the motor. As the one gallon empties transfer fuel from larger to smaller can. Use the No-Spill brand - https://nospill.com Having 3.5 gallons aboard gives you 14 hour range. Use gallons/hour as direction wind/current/waves will increase/decrease range = KPG (knots per gallon) isn't consistent for distance over ground. If you need more range have the large container be a 5-gallon. Store containers at the aft end of the cockpit. NEVER in a locker or below! :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!

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New 1976 M17 owner
by randy kaminski 31 May '22

31 May '22

Hello Group, and thank you for accepting me! I’m hoping to be in the water as soon as possible but have a few questions—if it is better to ask them one at a time, please let me know. 1. Is it best to mount the outboard on the original transom cut-out? Advantage/disadvantages? 2. Ladder suggestions? I would like to easily climb out of the water if unexpectedly needed. 3. Has anyone added a wet locker on a pre-wet locker model—if so, how to or photos? (I would like the area for the fuel tank, and better cockpit drainage) 3. Information for original sink drain plumbing and cockpit drain(one of the previous owners added hoses and I want to be sure I have the most safe and effective fixtures) 4. Any books, or how-to set up guides that could be purchased or downloaded for the M17? 5. Suggestions? (I will be lowering the keel to inspect and service... I am replacing waterlogged balsa core in fore-deck and around mast step... just trying to get everything safe and functional now, but still considering upgrades...) Thank you group! Randy Kaminski (eastern upper peninsula of Michigan)

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Mast curve
by Jon Barber 31 May '22

31 May '22

Having reread my post regarding the M17 fixed Keel boat and its curved mast, my post should have read "convex forward". The curve in the mast is bowed toward the front of the boat. I have seen this on fractional rigs but never on a masthead rig. My understanding of the purpose of a curved mast is to de power the rig by flattening the sail. Am I anywhere near correct in this conclusion? Is the purpose of having two lower shrouds on a track to be able to adjust mast curve? Was this an original rig configuration? The rigging does look professionally built. On the matter of fixed Keel boats; there seems to be two styles of fixed keels. One fiberglass model and one cast iron. Does anyone have experience boats with the cast iron keel? Are they more weatherly? Are they stiffer? Can anyone post photos of the cast iron keeled boats? I assume there were very few of these boats were made. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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New list member
by Kenneth D Tothero 30 May '22

30 May '22

Hi Folks, New subscriber to the list. Surprised I didn't find it earlier. I'm a fairly novice sailor (college sailing club, former father-in-law's Westsail 32, some spectacularly inept summer Laser racing...), who retired in 2018 and for whom getting more seriously into sailing was near the top of the bucket list (#1 was to ride my bicycle coast to coast, which I did right out of the gate). I'm not embarrassed to admit that I've had the round-the-world sailing dream since I was a child and still believe it could happen. After finishing the long bike ride I started looking for opportunities to take a liveaboard ASA 101/103/104 course. I'd been communicating with several companies when one of them had a last minute cancellation and asked if I could be in Baja in 3 days. The discount was significant and, surprisingly, I was able to get reasonably priced flights. Had a great week aboard a Jeanneau 439. After that my next goal became to own my own boat. I can't remember exactly how I became aware of Montgomery boats, but once I did I realized that they seemed perfectly aligned with my adventurous and minimalist bicycle touring/backpacking ethos. I started the hunt for a M17. Somewhere along the way I became aware of Sage boats and added them to the search. After about 6 months I found a Sage 17 in western North Carolina. I flew over there to look at it. The boat looked great and in Jan 2020 I became the proud owner of 2015 Sage 17 #28. So there I am in NC, 1100+ miles away from my home in Austin, TX, with a boat on a trailer and no vehicle (even back home) capable of towing it. So within 24 hours of buying the Sage, I bought a Honda Ridgeline pickup and headed west, Sage in tow. Tough day on the savings account, but hey, this is exactly what I worked all those years for. Got home and found a marina on local Lake Travis. Started to sail her literally WEEKS before the entire world locked down! As I've mentioned, I'm PRETTY novice (and was living by myself at the time), and the thought of single handing was daunting. After making a dozen tentative practice runs in and out of my slip under the power of my 2 HP Honda (& w lots of bumpers deployed and boat hook on hand), I started sailing solo several times a week, continuing that way until vaccines became available. I've moved the boat since and now am now parked in the marina of the local racing club. In addition to sailing my Sage in the Friday night Beer Can races, I've been crewing on a few racier boats - mostly J/22s. I wouldn't say that I'm a passionate racer, but it's a friendly and sociable club and I figure that it can't help but make me a better sailor. That's a bit of a treatise I know, but thanks for having me. I've been active on the Montgomery FB group and have benefitted ENORMOUSLY from the generous sharing of knowledge that takes place over there. I look forward to being part of the conversation here has well. Ken Tothero - Sage 17, Encore - Austin, TX

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Crank up keel
by Jon Barber 29 May '22

29 May '22

Jerry, Will you elaborate about the crank up keel as "designed by Lyle Hess". It now seems that the M17 was offered with 4 keel configurations. Fixed cast iron bolt on Fixed fiberglass with ballast Keel centerboard Crank up cast iron. I'm so confused? The more I read about these great boats the more I find I need to learn. Being able to easily launch and retrieve my boat has allowed me to experience sailing in many different environments. I have sailed all over N. California in the last 6 years, from delta to ocean to sf Bay and found my boat able to handle everything I have encountered. I've always made it home safe. That was the driving design consideration when the boat was concieved, and it has succeeded admirably. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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