February 2022 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Cushion fabric & silicone questions
by Ernst van Gulijk 23 Feb '22

23 Feb '22

Hello All, Two quick questions: 1. I am adding a cushion to the 'empty' spot in front of the porta-potty. I would like the fabric to match the rest of the cushions. On my 2007 M-15, the fabric is plum/dark burgundy in color. Can someone tell me where I can source the same, of similar fabric? 1. I removed all wood trim this winter for a thorough cleaning and refinish. I am about ready to reinstall and understand that one is 'supposed' to use a marine-grade (white) silicon as a sealant. When using the sealant, is there a trick to ensure not too much oozes out and thereby stains the newly finished wood and surrounding surfaces? I have used silicone sealants around the house, and am familiar with their composition. Is it as simple as not applying too much, or does one use painters tape to mask/protect, or other tricks? Regards, Ernie

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Honda 2
by David Grah 07 Feb '22

07 Feb '22

Our Montgomery 15 came with a 2 horsepower or so Tohatsu 2 stroke. Once I replaced the plugged fuel filter on that motor, it ran well but was sort of messy with oil. I was pleased to find a used 4 stroke Honda to replace it and have used the Honda ever since. The one thing about the Honda I didn't expect is it is almost as oily as the Tohatsu. After running it for a while, the bottom of the plastic motor shroud gets coated in motor oil. Perhaps worse, I see occasional drops of oil dripping into the water. The motor doesn't hold much oil to begin with and I am happy I don't see the level of oil in the crankcase dropping much as a result of this leaking oil. For a long time I thought this was just how these motors are but I have come to believe ours is special in this way and most motors don't leak oil. I have never figured out exactly where the oil comes from. With the discussion about little Hondas in the group I thought this might be a good time to pose these questions. Does anyone else's motor leak oil like ours? Is the source of the oil likely to be some easily replaced seal? If so, is this replacement easy to do one's self? There really aren't any places to take the motor to have it looked at within a few hours of driving of me, so just having someone look at it isn't easy to do. I suppose I could take it with me some time when I am out of town but I bet it is likely they would take some time to look at it, get parts, if necessary, and fix it. Probably longer than I would be hanging around. As always, thoughts and insights are appreciated. David GrahMontgomery 15Bishop California

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Re: Honda 2
by David Grah 07 Feb '22

07 Feb '22

Thanks, Bill, and good to hear from you. I think it was you towing us out to a race at Lake Havasu with your Honda when our Tohatsu was having problems is what convinced me to get a Honda. At one point I realized me turning the motor upside down to empty fuel out of the tank was the problem that led to the oil on the bottom of the motor but, when I stopped doing that, I realized that actually wasn't the (only problem) because the leaking oil continued. Next, I realized I store the motor on its side (the correct side with the "resting pads" down) and maybe that was the problem. But, when I started storing it upright (but still transporting it on its side), the problem persisted. Also, on long trips it is pretty clear the oil keeps on coming and is related to operation rather than something happens when it is not being used. I am pretty sure it is leaking oil from somewhere. The question is where under all of that housing is the oil coming out and it is something I can diagnose and repair myself... Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 09:56:19 -0700 From: Bill Riker <wriker(a)mindspring.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Honda 2 To: M-Boats List <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <25D2E0F3-1944-4F9C-8011-88BA6B27D4DE(a)mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Honda must be stored upright or on it side with the two resting pads on side of the Motorhead casing facing downward, else the oil can leak out. I hope this is the only problem. Bill Riker M-15 Storm Petrel

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Honda 2.3
by Peter Zimowsky 07 Feb '22

07 Feb '22

Hi folks: I’ve been sailing the San Juans for a few years and have a Mercury 4-stroke, 4 hp, that has served me well in getting around the islands on those windless days. However, I’ve been hearing more and more about not leaving the motor on the transom when traveling. I always have. But I’m getting a little worried about it. It weighs 75 pounds. It’s a real pain to put on and off the boat. So, I’m thinking of the 2.3 honda as an alternative and at much less the weight. Have you guys had good luck with that motor? And, is it enough power to push through the currents of the islands. Thanks, Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Re: Launching on Lake Union
by Peter Zimowsky 06 Feb '22

06 Feb '22

Hi: Bill: Thanks so much for the heads up. My son also lives in Seattle and knows the area. But this is the very detailed info I needed. Don’t know what I’ll do. Maybe it’s easier just to keep renting those classic sailboats at the Center for Wooden Boats. Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > On Feb 4, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Bill Cirino <billc(a)peak.org> wrote: > > Peter, My son lives on a houseboat on Lake Union and I forwarded you question to him as he's not on this list Here is his response. > > > “There are basically 3 options for decent boat ramps in Seattle for easy lake Union access. Sunnyside Ave boat ramp at the north end of the lake, 14th street ramp in Fremont/Ballard area on the ship canal and on lake Washington at Magnuson park boat ramp. For lake Union sunny side is the easiest and has the most parking, but these days it’s a little dodgy as there is an extensive homeless/rv encampment that is sketchy at times. Just don’t leave any valuables in plane sight. Because of the number of rv’s parking for car and trailer is not super easy to find. This is also kind of a frustrating place to set up your boat as you need to basically do it in a driveway where you will get a lot of grumpy looks from the people that use the driveway and you will feel the need to hurry. I live in a houseboat right next to this ramp so this is my front and back yard. 14th street boat ramp is similar in some ways and well down the canal and has even less parking. Know your mast hight coming under the Ballard bridge into lake Union. The safest and easiest place to set up your boat and have all the time in the world is Magnuson park boat launch. Lots of parking, plenty of space to rig, nothing overhead, pretty safe parking but a ways from lake Union, about 5 1/2 miles. For direct access to lake Union other than sunnyside there are no good answers, and sunnyside is a little sketchy these days. That said I have parked my car there every day for years and have yet to be broke into. If there is wind lake Washington is a better sail, but in the summer lake Union is much more reliable if a bit small. > > > Bill Cirino” > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: "montgomery boats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: "Peter Zimowsky" <rapidz(a)mac.com> > Sent: Friday, February 4, 2022 10:55:29 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Launching on Lake Union > > Hi folks: > Each year I sail Lake Union, renting a boat from the Center for Wooden boats. I love those boats. > However, my bucket list includes sailing my M 15 (sail 377) on the lake. > Where is the best boat ramp as far as access, parking and safety. > Thanks, > > Pete WinterSky > (Zimowsky) > > San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > > outdoors writer and photographer > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >

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Honda 2hp
by Jon Barber 05 Feb '22

05 Feb '22

The old 2hp Honda rotates in the notch. As to the higher volume, I use earplugs if I need to motor for any distance. The only reliability issue I've had is training myself to remember to turn the fuel on. Otherwise, this motor always starts! It also stows under the cockpit sole. Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44

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M17 transom notch motor noise damper
by John Schinnerer 05 Feb '22

05 Feb '22

Here's some pictures, should be small enough to come thru on list. This is 2" thick foam which gives just enough width for a lip on both sides of notch. This is a snug enough push-fit for testing purposes. I would have some kind of bungee or something to keep it in place in windy conditions, or a gust (or stray elbow) could knock it loose. It blocks most all sitting positions in the cockpit from line-of-sound with the motor head. Makes enough difference in the noise to be worth it. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 227, Issue 9
by John Taussig 04 Feb '22

04 Feb '22

Pete - Bought a 2.3 for my M17 and found that it is not only light but can push Sick Chicken along nicely. Do recommend using ethanol free gas. It uses so little fuel and has such a small carburetor that it is an inexpensive add-on. John Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2022, at 10:53 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: msogphotosite.com (Gerald Wyatt) > 2. Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to purchase > (tdelacy(a)wavecable.com) > 3. Honda 2.3 (Peter Zimowsky) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 20:49:48 +0000 > From: Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: msogphotosite.com > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <MWHPR04MB06706D24997EA2AA62828DE9F35A9@MWHPR04MB0670. > namprd04.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello, > > I am not the webmaster for msog.org. > > Gerry > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > ________________________________ > From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:49:19 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: msogphotosite.com > > Gerry, > > Are you also the webmaster for the msog.org site? > > Thank you for the great opportunity to share ideas on the msogphotosite. > > Henry > Monita > > > >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 9:57 AM Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Please send emails to webmaster(a)msogphotosite.com. Please include boat >> name, hull number, and general location and I will get you an account. >> >> Gerry >> >> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> ________________________________ >> From: Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:51:07 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to >> purchase >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> My apologies to everyone for not responding. If you need access, send >> another email. Lost track in the business of life. >> >> I’ll do better… >> >> Gerry >> >> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >> ________________________________ >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:36:05 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to >> purchase >> >> Gerry! >> >> Good to hear from you!! I've sent email messages but not heard back so >> sending you this note via the listproc. >> >> I've had a couple of folks contact me trying to get accounts on the >> MSOGphotosite stating they never received a response after sending an >> email. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2022, 8:30 AM Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tim, >>> >>> Why don’t you use the MSOG photo site. I run the site, but haven’t seen a >>> lot of activity recently. Part of the problem is my failure to check the >>> site email! I’ll be better about that! >>> >>> Gerry >>> >>> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: tdelacy(a)wavecable.com <tdelacy(a)wavecable.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44:31 AM >>> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to >>> purchase >>> >>> Thank you Bob. >>> >>> I am planning on pursuing an approach Dave Scoobie recommended. I am >>> going to create resin lead bricks from the lead shot and epoxy them to >> the >>> shoal keel and then layup the outer skin of my shoal keel to the lead >>> bricks. I like this idea as the entire shoal keel should have a degree >> of >>> structural integrity. >>> >>> Guess I am planning on hitting the bottom a couple of time here in the >>> Salish Sea and inland lakes. 😊 >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:34 PM >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to >>> purchase >>> >>> Ballast is 600 pounds total. Counting the centerboard. Use lead shot in >> 25 >>> pound bags. Fix the hull. Pour in the shot from above. >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 8:31 PM, Sailing Spark <arthaberland(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Tim, >>>> >>>> I would love pictures of what you had to do to retrieve all those >>>> steel punchings out of the hull. Sounds like quite a job. Depending >>>> on where you are located, I may have lead for you. Laying beneath my >>>> Monty is the ballast from my old Sea Sprite 23, about 1400 pounds >>>> worth of lead that has stubbornly refused to be easily cut up into >>> smaller chunks. >>>> >>>> Art. >>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 8:38 PM <tdelacy(a)wavecable.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Gentlemen, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. I have started the repair process of my cracked shoal keel by >>>>> removing the steel punchings. >>>>> 2. Dave Scoobie visited the other night and suggested I ask Jerry >>> for >>>>> the weight of ballast to purchase. >>>>> >>>>> a. Hull # MMP 173320981. >>>>> >>>>> 3. So far I have pulled out most of the steel punchings. >>>>> >>>>> a. Just shy of 300 lbs. >>>>> b. There is a lot steel punchings that just went everywhere, not >>> sure >>>>> if was 10% of what I have removed everywhere though. >>>>> c. The remainder in the keel will probably take a week or more to >>>>> chase >>>>> out. The solidified oxidized stuff just doesn't want to leave the >> boat. >>>>> >>>>> 4. I have the day off Friday and a local source of reclaimed >> range >>>>> lead >>>>> shot #7 to #9 that will provide me the weight I need (500 lbs is >>> possible). >>>>> >>>>> a. If possible would like to purchase all the lead I need. >>>>> b. No worries, if I don't hear from anyone prior to Friday, >> between >>>>> excavating the stubborn steel ballast pockets and figuring out how to >>>>> cast resin lead bricks, I'll have opportunities to purchase >>>>> additional lead in the future. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim de Lacy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2022 07:20:15 -0800 > From: <tdelacy(a)wavecable.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to > purchase > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <000001d80eda$6472e3a0$2d58aae0$(a)wavecable.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Gerry, > > I will submit photos of my shoal keel repair when complete and share what I have learned with the community. > > Presently I am in the midst of deconstruction soon to transition to reconstruction. > > As the story is not complete, not sure how many chapters will be thrown out. > > The photos will tell only what worked for me not what did not. > > I have sincerely appreciated the site and have gleaned quite a bit of information. Thank you for your efforts in maintaining the site. > > Tim de Lacy > M17 hull 981 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 7:30 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to purchase > > Hi Tim, > > Why don’t you use the MSOG photo site. I run the site, but haven’t seen a lot of activity recently. Part of the problem is my failure to check the site email! I’ll be better about that! > > Gerry > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ > From: tdelacy(a)wavecable.com <tdelacy(a)wavecable.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 6:44:31 AM > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to purchase > > Thank you Bob. > > I am planning on pursuing an approach Dave Scoobie recommended. I am going to create resin lead bricks from the lead shot and epoxy them to the shoal keel and then layup the outer skin of my shoal keel to the lead bricks. I like this idea as the entire shoal keel should have a degree of structural integrity. > > Guess I am planning on hitting the bottom a couple of time here in the Salish Sea and inland lakes. 😊 > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:34 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: 1/12/22 Recommendation re: ballast quantity to purchase > > Ballast is 600 pounds total. Counting the centerboard. Use lead shot in 25 pound bags. Fix the hull. Pour in the shot from above. > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 12, 2022, at 8:31 PM, Sailing Spark <arthaberland(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Tim, >> >> I would love pictures of what you had to do to retrieve all those >> steel punchings out of the hull. Sounds like quite a job. Depending >> on where you are located, I may have lead for you. Laying beneath my >> Monty is the ballast from my old Sea Sprite 23, about 1400 pounds >> worth of lead that has stubbornly refused to be easily cut up into smaller chunks. >> >> Art. >> >>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 8:38 PM <tdelacy(a)wavecable.com> wrote: >>> >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. I have started the repair process of my cracked shoal keel by >>> removing the steel punchings. >>> 2. Dave Scoobie visited the other night and suggested I ask Jerry for >>> the weight of ballast to purchase. >>> >>> a. Hull # MMP 173320981. >>> >>> 3. So far I have pulled out most of the steel punchings. >>> >>> a. Just shy of 300 lbs. >>> b. There is a lot steel punchings that just went everywhere, not sure >>> if was 10% of what I have removed everywhere though. >>> c. The remainder in the keel will probably take a week or more to >>> chase >>> out. The solidified oxidized stuff just doesn't want to leave the boat. >>> >>> 4. I have the day off Friday and a local source of reclaimed range >>> lead >>> shot #7 to #9 that will provide me the weight I need (500 lbs is possible). >>> >>> a. If possible would like to purchase all the lead I need. >>> b. No worries, if I don't hear from anyone prior to Friday, between >>> excavating the stubborn steel ballast pockets and figuring out how to >>> cast resin lead bricks, I'll have opportunities to purchase >>> additional lead in the future. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim de Lacy >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 11:52:59 -0700 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Honda 2.3 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <86307F3A-8107-4EF4-A088-FE86F402D17C(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi folks: > I’ve been sailing the San Juans for a few years and have a Mercury 4-stroke, 4 hp, that has served me well in getting around the islands on those windless days. > However, I’ve been hearing more and more about not leaving the motor on the transom when traveling. I always have. But I’m getting a little worried about it. It weighs 75 pounds. > It’s a real pain to put on and off the boat. So, I’m thinking of the 2.3 honda as an alternative and at much less the weight. Have you guys had good luck with that motor? And, is it enough power to push through the currents of the islands. > Thanks, > Pete WinterSky > (Zimowsky) > > San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > > outdoors writer and photographer > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 227, Issue 9 > ************************************************

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