November 2022 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Trolling motor
by Rusty Knorr 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

These are currently $91 on Amazon. But…forgive me, but I find that kind of performance on 10% of battery usage hard to believe based on the manufacturers expected run time. How did you calculate the 90% remaining charge? Was this the motor’s battery meter? If so, there’s no way I would trust that. On flat water with zero tidal flow I suppose it would be useful for getting in and out of a slip, but in situations where you need your kicker to get you out of trouble you’d be in deep sh$t expecting that to save your hide. No thanks, I’ll stick with a proper outboard as designed for boats the size of an M15. YMMV! Rusty www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:19 AM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > > Recently, my 5 year old son and I got to participate in the Sail a small boat day at Richmond Yacht Club (San Francisco Bay). It was really fun, we got to take people from the community on rides all day long and teach them about sailing and sailboats. I can say I was a bit annoyed that almost everyone familiar with boats assumed my M15 was a Potter, even to the point of telling *me* I was confused about what kind of boat I had! We even got to take out two blind sailors, as well as two young kids (age 5-7 ish). One of the blind sailors was actually a Montgomery enthusiast and had owned M boats before! It was raining all day long, but that didn't turn people away at all. > > Also, for the first time ever, I tried using a small electric trolling motor instead of a gas outboard. I have a Watersnake Asp T24, which is a tiny 24lb thrust trolling motor designed for kayak use, that only weighs 6.7lbs, is highly corrosion resistant/salt water grade, and costs only $150 new. With a 55ah sealed lead acid battery, we were able to exit the harbor under power, directly into a 12 knot wind with the main up, about 6 times that day using the motor. It could motor directly into the wind about 2 knots, and at the end of the day had 90% of the battery remaining. I have decided to start using this in place of a gas motor, and include a large flexible solar panel to recharge while at anchor/dock. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > '81 M15 #157

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M15 with new trailer, motor and sails for sale
by Thomas Harris 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

I bought got a Montgomery 15 thinking it would be the centerpiece of my retirement. Then I got totally involved in swim coaching and have not taken it out of storage to sail it once. $14,000 or best offer. Tom Harris 806-922-6533 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Help with selling modified M 15
by Dave Scobie 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Ann: I recommend - Remove the pan. It looks janky. Show the boat without it present. Clean up the area under the cockpit. Vac, scrub, etc. Better would be to paint with Interlux BilgeCoat. Follow prep as outlined on the can. Make sure the edge, from cutting out the pan, isn't sharp. If need sand away edge and burrs with 120g sandpaper. Don't sand the shiny visible bits of gel coat at the edge, just round off any sharps. Like a used car clean boat sells faster and for more money. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 3:05 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Here it is.Lighting not great in the garage... > > > > Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Date: 3/21/22 4:55 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 > > Ann: > > Share a picture of what it looks like with the pan out. > > What you see is stock. Nothing added. It is how 'under space' below the > pan looks. > > There should be a couple plywood partial-bulkheads under the cockpit. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:49 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the photos. >> I see what you mean. Yours looks great. >> Honestly, I don't know who would do that kind of work or how much it >> would cost. Also, you have an insert. In my boat, the guy put a piece of >> plywood down below, which also looks terrible. >> >> >> >> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 3/21/22 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >> >> Thanks for sharing that picture Ann. >> >> You have a mess from the prior owner that results in really poor >> presentation with a have removed non-professional looking job. The pan >> needs to be removed and the edges sanded so they are straight and not >> sharp. See three pictures attached for how the locker should look (or look >> at the slideshow I have showing my M15 - >> https://m15namedscred.wordpress.com/slideshow-tour-of-scred/ ) >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 2:24 PM abkeeton <abkeeton(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> When potential buyers see the cuts inside of the locker, they are >>> alarmed. One guy thought the locker must have been cut in order to fix >>> damage to the hull underneath. >>> Another guy wanted me to knock off $1,000 because the boat is damaged. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 3/21/22 4:07 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Cc: abkeeton(a)yahoo.com >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Help with selling modified M 15 >>> >>> Ann: >>> >>> Do you mean the cockpit locker pan? The pan that means you can't see >>> the inside of the hull when looking into the cockpit locker? >>> >>> My M15 had BOTH port and starboard cockpit locker pans removed. It was >>> great and allowed for effective storage of the ground tackle, fenders, dock >>> lines, etc. See link to my M15s www-site below. >>> >>> Someone(s) stating that 'you can't' have the pans cut out and use the >>> lockers???!!! Really??!! >>> >>> Most M17s don't have locker pans on the port side. >>> >>> All Sage 15s/17s/SCs don't have locker pans. >>> >>> (My Baba30 doesn't have locker pans.) >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >>> site! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 1:53 PM abkeeton via montgomery_boats < >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello,I bought the Montgomery 15 many years ago. I have stored it in >>>> the garage and never sailed it.Recently, I decided to put the boat up for >>>> sale. I discovered that a previous owner had cut the inside of the >>>> starboard locker so he could lift it out to access storage underneath. I >>>> have since seen postings on this. Some people think it's a good idea to put >>>> the anchor in there.No one I have spoken with can understand why someone >>>> would cut the fiberglass and it's killing potential sales.Should I have the >>>> locker restored?Please respond to my email address.Thanks much,Ann >>>> Keeton Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>>

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Sail a small boat day at Richmond Yacht Club
by casioqv＠usermail.com 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Recently, my 5 year old son and I got to participate in the Sail a small boat day at Richmond Yacht Club (San Francisco Bay). It was really fun, we got to take people from the community on rides all day long and teach them about sailing and sailboats. I can say I was a bit annoyed that almost everyone familiar with boats assumed my M15 was a Potter, even to the point of telling *me* I was confused about what kind of boat I had! We even got to take out two blind sailors, as well as two young kids (age 5-7 ish). One of the blind sailors was actually a Montgomery enthusiast and had owned M boats before! It was raining all day long, but that didn't turn people away at all. Also, for the first time ever, I tried using a small electric trolling motor instead of a gas outboard. I have a Watersnake Asp T24, which is a tiny 24lb thrust trolling motor designed for kayak use, that only weighs 6.7lbs, is highly corrosion resistant/salt water grade, and costs only $150 new. With a 55ah sealed lead acid battery, we were able to exit the harbor under power, directly into a 12 knot wind with the main up, about 6 times that day using the motor. It could motor directly into the wind about 2 knots, and at the end of the day had 90% of the battery remaining. I have decided to start using this in place of a gas motor, and include a large flexible solar panel to recharge while at anchor/dock. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157

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Re: M23 Mast
by bownez＠juno.com 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

Hello Gerry, I'm so sorry to hear about your mishap with your beloved M23, at least no one was injured, except for a badly bruised ego. Keep a positive attitude, far more serious boat damages have been repaired. In my opinion, transferring mast hardware from the damaged mast to a new spar would not be that difficult. In the old sailing video "Jan du Sude" (sp?) the captain's mast was damaged in a storm. He resleeved the damaged section by adding an internal support, epoxy and screws. Perhaps a new section could be welded in? Regardless as to method, you will find a solution. You have the support of the group, please keep us informed as to progress. Keep a stiff upper lips, as the Limeys say! Mr. Bones Former Dhana owner Snowy Minnesota

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MSOG.org
by Rusty Knorr 17 Nov '22

17 Nov '22

When I go to the MSOG.org site there is nothing there but the splash page. None of the menus at the top are there or working links. I know there is a transfer in place, just wondering if it’s working for anyone else yet. Rusty (Still looking for my forever M15) www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Oct 6, 2022, at 8:42 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Just need the boat lifted so one can remove the rotation pin and drop the > board. See discussion within this email listproc's archives, MSOG.org, > MSOGphotosite.com and the FB group. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 08:30 Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> Wow. This sounds complicated. Maybe I should have it done professionally. >> Any places in Seattle? I don’t mind driving 500 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Oct 6, 2022, at 09:22, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If you are seeing damage to the existing line replace with 5/16" double >>> braid. The trick is to cut away about 4" of the internal core and use >> that >>> part to tie off at the CenterBoard, making the 8-knot small enough to >> fit >>> properly in the CB Trunk. >>> >>> Be aware it is very possible you will not be able to get the board to >> over >>> extend far enough to access the hole/opening that the pennant passes and >>> the 8-knot sets. >>> >>> Be careful over extending the board as it can damage the forward end of >> the >>> trunk. >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M6'8" #650 >>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, 07:59 Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi folks: >>>> Decided to replace the line on my centerboard (M15) Chinook Breeze scuba >>>> diving at the reservoir this weekend. What size line is best and how >> long? >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Pete WinterSky >>>> (Zimowsky) >>>> >>>> San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush >>>> >>>> outdoors writer and photographer >>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky >>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >>>> The Northwest Outdoors Journey: >>>> https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ >>>> >>>> "We Can Not Control the Wind >>>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >>>> >>>> >>

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M 23 mast
by Jon Barber 16 Nov '22

16 Nov '22

Dwyer is the place! They sell mast extrusions by the foot and will know which size you need. Since you only will be replacing the mast extrusion itself, I can't believe the quotes are anything but highway robbery. You can move the parts from your old mast and install them on the new extrusion. Good luck and don't let anyone take advantage of you. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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Re: M15 hoist lifting bridle or sling
by Mike Epp 10 Nov '22

10 Nov '22

Why wouldn't you go to the middle of the traveler to better balance the stern? On November 10, 2022, at 1:08 AM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Cool! Good work figuring this out and thanks for the pic. I can see why you were a bit nervous the first time... Interesting to see a flying sailboat! cheers, John On 11/9/22 12:53, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > I wanted to follow up on this, as I have now been launching my M15 regularly using a hoist (see photo). I ended up making a 3-way lifting harness with a large stainless steel ring in the center for the hook, and three snap shackles to attach to the boat. I connect two forward snap shackles to the aft shroud adjusters, and the third to one of the stern dock cleats. The dock cleat line carries very little weight, most is on the stay adjusters. I found that I need to temporarily add extra pins to the shroud adjusters to get a good spot to clip the snap shackles onto, which I then remove before sailing. The line itself is just standard three strand dock lines, which should have at least 4,000lb of breaking strength. > > I was a little nervous the first time, but it seems to be working great so far. I initially did it with bowlines plus half hitches connecting the lines, but am going to re-do it all with eye splices for extra safety now that I am sure about the line lengths. > > I've also purchased some toggle pins with lanyards (link below) to make adding and removing the extra pins from the shroud adjusters quicker. For reference, my boat has the standard, widely available Hobie Cat stay adjusters with 1/4" holes. > > https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/capri-22/rigging/standing-riggi… > > Sincerely, > Tyler > '81 M15 #157 Defiant > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "casioqv" <casioqv(a)usermail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2022 1:33:10 PM > Subject: M15 hoist lifting bridle or sling > > Hi All, > > My yacht club doesn't have a boat ramp, but does have a hoist for lifting sailboats that I am interested in trying with my M15. The hoist is a single point (hook). Does anyone here have any experience or suggestions on what type of lifting bridle or sling I could use for an M15? Would it be okay to lift by the chainplates, or should I plan on straps that go under the hull? > > Sincerely, > Tyler > '81 M15 #157 Defiant -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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WrinkleBoat 2023
by Gary H.Oberbeck 03 Nov '22

03 Nov '22

WrinkleBoat for 2023 February 17-19,2023 Lake Pleasant,AZ In conjunction with the Arizona Yacht Club Birthday Regatta ‘Cruiser Race’. Optional (but highly encouraged) low stress distance race, please help us show the largest fleet and enter AzYC Birthday Regatta for 'Cruising Race'. Details to follow for YC race. The group will be moored and or camping at North end of lake, (access by water only) see photos. All Wrinkleboats, pocket cruisers 22'<, cruising dinghies, homebuilds welcome! Participants encouraged to register for AzYC Birthday Regatta- please support the club as they have been supportive of this group over the years! 2022 was last minute event due to pandemic concerns, but we have found a beautiful location for the ran-tan cove. Email with any questions, I will post link to AzYC regatta when it is online. (Arizonayachtclub.org) We look forward to seeing you there! message me if you have questions, Have fUn, go sailing! GO M-15 #330 ‘Cahoots’

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My folding dinghy for the M15
by Lawrence Winiarski 02 Nov '22

02 Nov '22

I've been working on this project for awhile and I thought I'd showoff with a few pictures. Basically it is a folding dinghy that folds down to 46" long and about 8" thick that fits across the transom of the M15. Takes about 5 minutes to assemble and faster to take down, but I'm working to try and improve that. It's still a work in progress, but I've taken it out a few times.

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