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Montgomery 15 Questions, esp. where to get a rudder
by Mike and Therese Britten-Johnson 17 Sep '21

17 Sep '21

Hi all, I recently purchased a M-15 and have really enjoyed learning to sail on this great boat. Unfortunately someone stole my rudder. I’ve been hoping to get it back (I’ve been keeping an eye out on Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, and E-bay but I’ve not seen it yet). So, I’m looking for a replacement. I checked out Rudder Craft; seems like they have a nice rudder for an M-15 but they are pricey AND not the beautiful mahogany rudder my boat had originally. Any advice/recommendations will be appreciated. Mike Britten 720-561-0771 Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

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Gooseneck falls off boom M17 #615 Jumping Jack Flash
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

Per Dave Scobie's recommendation I knocked off the boom cap (with diffuculty) and emptied the contents and found a spring, was her and a straight cotter pin as described the the Dwyer gooseneck schematic provided by Dave. I assembled the parts, bent the cotter pin and lubed the cap and partially coroded screws with lanolin and it seems good as new! What is the recommended anti-galvanic corrosion treatment? Thanks! Kevin

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Cabin top hand rails
by Jon Barber 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

Re attach using t nuts from underneath. This way the fasteners are nearly flush in the cabin.

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 223, Issue 15
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

Thank you! This info was exactly what I needed to reattach my gooseneck. Kevin On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:50 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Gooseneck falls off boom (Kevin Brackneyesggbf*) > 2. Maintenance questions (Andrei Caldararu) > 3. Re: Strange mast size? (andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com) > 4. Re: Gooseneck falls off boom (Dave Scobie) > 5. Re: Maintenance questions (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:07:44 -0700 > From: "Kevin Brackneyesggbf*" <kevin.brackney(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Gooseneck falls off boom > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <CA+WWUn3BAeGwZ63rGmEG3qv9FR0oA-Ek= > FmPMWDUv+B-Aw_DmA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > When I loosened my outhaul the boom separated from the gooseneck, which was > attached to the mast. In light winds it wasn't too much of a problem to > reinsert the rod back into the boom and retighten the outhaul, but I > shudder to to think what would happen in strong winds. I couldn't figure > how to attach it to the boom. Seems like I'm missing a part? > Recommendations? > Thanks, > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:08:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Maintenance questions > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <431640371.1160078.1631801323943(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello fellow Monty owners, > first off, I apologize for having to register a new account on the mailing > list, somehow my old account seems to have been bungled up and I was not > able to recover it. > I have two new maintenance questions: > a) The rudder on my 1982 M-17 is the one-piece solid mahogany style. When > I got it with the boat about 10 years ago it was wrapped in fiberglass, and > coated with a couple of layers of some marine varnish. This summer I kept > the boat moored in fresh water, and last time I went to it I noticed that > large parts of the fiberglass were peeling off. Is the fiberglass needed, > or should I just remove it and re-coat the wood with varnish? If I need to > redo it all in fiberglass, what should I do to prevent it from peeling > again? > b) I have a small leak into the cabin around one of the screws that holds > the wood hand rails on top of the cabin. I understand that it is important > to re-bed the hand rail before the moisture gets inside the balsa core of > the cabin top. What is the procedure for doing that? To begin, how does one > remove the small wood caps that are covering the screw heads, without > destroying the caps? What material do people recommend for the bedding > procedure? > Thanks,Andrei. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:11:11 -0000 > From: andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Strange mast size? > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <163180147158.1209481.14832897162459897433@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I will measure the mast, in about 10 days when I get a chance to get to > the boat. (The boat is moored in Lake Michigan, I am about 150 miles away > from there.) > > A. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:45:09 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Gooseneck falls off boom > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA7y4zXKfsqObfpkKRNYVAAXb4A_FoihzuMaNppjy9U-1Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Kevin. > > The end of the rod that goes into the boom-end fitting should have a hole > for a cotter pin. > > The rod is held in place a fender washer that is between the boom end > fitting and cotter pin. > > You need to take off the boom end fitting to put a new washer and cotter > pin in place and then reinstall the assembly in the boom-end. Here is a > link to an assembly to give you an idea of how things should work/look - > > https://www.dwyermast.com/itemdetails.asp?itemID=30 > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:08 AM Kevin Brackneyesggbf* < > kevin.brackney(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > When I loosened my outhaul the boom separated from the gooseneck, which > was > > attached to the mast. In light winds it wasn't too much of a problem to > > reinsert the rod back into the boom and retighten the outhaul, but I > > shudder to to think what would happen in strong winds. I couldn't figure > > how to attach it to the boom. Seems like I'm missing a part? > > Recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:49:16 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Maintenance questions > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: Andrei Caldararu <andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA5spn6wcTwoV1oMtymMGDXhfKTciw7F= > f+mTb5aTtQJhg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > If you are going to keep the boat on-water the rudder should, IMO be sealed > with epoxy. > > Varnish cannot be left submerged. > > Epoxy requires a covering as it isn't UV stable - antifouling paint will > protect the epoxy and keep the marine critters away (mostly). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:09 AM Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Hello fellow Monty owners, > > first off, I apologize for having to register a new account on the > mailing > > list, somehow my old account seems to have been bungled up and I was not > > able to recover it. > > I have two new maintenance questions: > > a) The rudder on my 1982 M-17 is the one-piece solid mahogany style. When > > I got it with the boat about 10 years ago it was wrapped in fiberglass, > and > > coated with a couple of layers of some marine varnish. This summer I kept > > the boat moored in fresh water, and last time I went to it I noticed that > > large parts of the fiberglass were peeling off. Is the fiberglass needed, > > or should I just remove it and re-coat the wood with varnish? If I need > to > > redo it all in fiberglass, what should I do to prevent it from peeling > > again? > > b) I have a small leak into the cabin around one of the screws that holds > > the wood hand rails on top of the cabin. I understand that it is > important > > to re-bed the hand rail before the moisture gets inside the balsa core of > > the cabin top. What is the procedure for doing that? To begin, how does > one > > remove the small wood caps that are covering the screw heads, without > > destroying the caps? What material do people recommend for the bedding > > procedure? > > Thanks,Andrei. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 223, Issue 15 > ************************************************* >

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Gooseneck falls off boom
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

When I loosened my outhaul the boom separated from the gooseneck, which was attached to the mast. In light winds it wasn't too much of a problem to reinsert the rod back into the boom and retighten the outhaul, but I shudder to to think what would happen in strong winds. I couldn't figure how to attach it to the boom. Seems like I'm missing a part? Recommendations? Thanks, Kevin

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Re: Strange mast size?
by Andrei Caldararu 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

The bizarre thing about the whole story is that I believe that the main is the one that originally came with the boat (made by McKibbin). So the story that maybe the mast got damaged is unlikely, unless someone also cut the main sail after the fact. (But it really looks like it was made this way.) How does one properly measure the luff of the sail? I have a feeling it is a bit stretchy, so could it be that the length I measured (with the sail laid out on the ground) does not include this stretch? I am asking this because after I raise the main, when I pull down on the cunningham I get another at least 5" from where it just ends up by itself after the main was raised. Also, with the main up, how high is the boom off the cabin? Maybe my sail is too short but the mast is normal size? Thanks, Andrei.

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Main halyard to cockpit on M17 'Pajarita'
by John Schinnerer 14 Sep '21

14 Sep '21

Here's some pics of my main halyard to cockpit setup on my M17. Didn't get her in the water yet after all so the mast is not stepped. I put a line thru the setup as though it were the halyard coming off the mast. A bungee cord out of sight in the photos gives it a bit of tension so it looks realistic enough. Kevin I sent this to you direct also, let me know if the pics come thru. Pretty simple - turning block attached to mast tabernacle, then to cheek block on cabin top, then to cam cleat at rear edge of cabin. The blocks and the eye strap are all Racelite - inexpensive, USA made, quality and sturdy stainless, good enough to do the job at a budget price. I get Racelite hardware from Duckworks.com. The cam cleat is a Ronstan. You could spend 2-3x as much on fancier ball bearing blocks, maybe larger diameter also, and have a bit less friction. I do not have any issues with the small added friction from this setup when raising the main. Especially as I am pulling horizontally from a strong position in the cockpit. My turning block is attached near front edge of my tabernacle to minimize any possible interference with mast raising or base of mast when stepped. My tabernacle has the bolt slot closer to the rear of it, and so the mast sits at the rear of the tabernacle when raised, with some clear space in front. The halyard comes down thru a flared eye strap on the mast, which I think is about six feet above the mast base. It was already there for the old cleat-on-mast setup. I re-positioned it a bit more forward on the mast for the slight change of angle on the halyard going to the block instead of the cleat-on-mast. I gather there has been some variation in tabernacles over the years (mine is 1974) so others may be different design and work best with the turning block in a different location. One could also mount that block to cabin top instead of tabernacle. I prefer tabernacle since it is already rock solid mounted to cabin top, and then the pull on the block strap is on the tabernacle and thus against the mast, instead of pulling up on the cabin top adjacent to tabernacle. Plus, less holes in cabin top means less possible leaks. Especially if you have the balsa core on later models you don't want extra holes in cabin top. If you did mount it to cabin top you'd want a backing plate on the underside to spread the stress; you might also want a stand-up block (spring block) in that case to avoid fouling when slack. My turning block stays vertically aligned even when the halyard is slack because of how it's mounted (with a vertical eye strap just barely smaller than the block strap opening). cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Strange mast size?
by Andrei Caldararu 10 Sep '21

10 Sep '21

Hello fellow Monty owners, I am the owner of "Seaweed", a 1982 M-17, galley style, serial number MMP173490482. I've owned it since 2008 and have been very happy with it. It has now come time for me to order new sails for it; the old ones are almost 40 years old and show it. I talked to Harry at EP Sails, and he told me that based on his information the luff of the main could be either 19'4" = 232" (for the standard rig) or 20'9" (for the tall rig). However, when I went and measured my old main, the luff came to 222.5", which is about 10" shorter than even the standard rig. I am hoping that maybe someone remembers whether a number of M-17's in that time period were made with shorter masts, and what the sizes of the sails for this shorter version was. I am planning on ordering a main and a standard jib -- my old genoa is in good shape, and I don't use it much on Lake Michigan. Thanks for all suggestions! Best,Andrei.

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M17 routing halyard to cockpit
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 10 Sep '21

10 Sep '21

Thanks to those who replied. However, referenced attached pictures don't appear in this list serve. If you have pictures please send them directly to my email address. Thanks, Kevin

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M17 Routing main halyard to cockpit
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 10 Sep '21

10 Sep '21

I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.

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