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Re: Montgomery's on Lake Powell 2020
by George R Iemmolo 12 May '21

12 May '21

Wort the time On May 10, 2021, at 7:51 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: In case anyone is looking for a way to waste several minutes I posted a video of our trip last year to Lake Powell in a Montgomery 15 and a Montgomery 17: https://youtu.be/hd2Mr19UF8A David GrahBishop California

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Re-rigging
by Cap Keith 12 May '21

12 May '21

Hi Jon, I recently bought a M17 (1980) whose standing rigging is Dyneema. Since I didn’t feel comfortable with this type of rigging or how it was setup, I decided to re-rig with standard SS. The rigger had many interesting comments about the use of Dyneema on the Montgomery. Essentially, since the M17 isn’t a performance boat, Dyneema shouldn’t be used. It is made for high loads, racing, and performance boats. If there are any chafe points, or if it receives a snag, it is subject to failure (of course, while under load). Since our boats are trailerable, the repeated raising, lowering, and storing of the rig will increase the chances of chafing, nicks/cuts, etc. And just as important to me, it was pointed out that the shelf or viable “use life” of Dyneema is about 4 years. The website, www.marlowropes.com<http://www.marlowropes.com> is an excellent source of information on Dyneema... both used for standing and running rigging. Anyway, Jon, that’s my take from the information I was able to find (internet and from my rigger). Sail on! Keith K Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Rerig
by Jon Barber 11 May '21

11 May '21

I was not clear in my previous post. I am thinking of replacing my standing rigging. The current rigging is wire with crimps and is on its sixth season. I built the rig myself. All the turnbuckles are if an unknown age. Everything is functioning OK. I would like to have the ability to adjust the mast rake fore and aft like Gary O suggested; with 1 ft rake aft for upwind work and then be able to flop the mast 18" forward for downwind work. I'm considering dyneema because I want to lead the end of the forestay back to the cockpit and use the sheet winches for adjustment. I would mount winches in the cabin top ( I have several extras) but for simplicity and a clearer deck I would like to use the existing winches. I have an adjustable backstay. On Tue, May 11, 2021, 11:40 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re rig (Dave Scobie) > 2. Re: Electric propulsion (Dave Scobie) > 3. Re: Electric propulsion (Gary Froeschner) > 4. Re: Re rig (John Schinnerer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 11:01:23 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Re rig > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA4SxguWzWj-+QszwMudb2f_LzuhfUDdpST=- > 4WJiPh+Rw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > JonB: > > What parts of the rig are you wanting to replace? Running? Standing? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Tue, May 11, 2021, 10:25 AM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Has anyone rerigged their 17 with dyneema? I am considering rerigging my > > boat and would be interested in any tutorials or ideas. > > Thanks, > > Jon Barber > > Monty17 > > Ol'44 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 11:05:28 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Electric propulsion > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6moyWK-KzgUzt5svXyFj= > 8vnLrBSenxTMhvAxH0cvguA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > JonB? > > Smelling had in the cabin? Where are you keeping the motor? In the cabin? > The gas can? > > Range and cost are the weaknesses of electric. You get what you pay for. > For effective charging a 50+watt panel would be required and then multiple > days sun for recharging (yes, depends on how long you motor). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Tue, May 11, 2021, 10:31 AM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yet another trip to the mooring where I am smelling gasoline. I love the > 2 > > hp Honda, but i realize in many situations I really only need a small > push > > here and there. My thought was to buy a trolling motor, extra battery > and a > > solar panel. There us plenty of sun where I live. The Honda leaks just > > enough to perfume my cabin with gas fumes. I will be making the necessary > > repairs; fuel lines and cap, but can anyone offer their wisdom re > electric > > options? Torqueedo is out of the question as to the price. > > Thanks > > Jon Barber > > Monty17 > > Ol'44 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 13:23:54 -0500 > From: Gary Froeschner <msogggf(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Electric propulsion > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <609acbba.1c69fb81.1adf9.5887(a)mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I set up my M17 with a Minn Kota -TRAxx15 55 – 42”. This delivers 55 lbs > of thrust. After a lot of research, I concluded that 55#s was enough. > Hope I’m right. I have the cutout transom for an outboard. I mount it > there. I have 2 lead acid marine deep cycle batteries that have about 90 > amp hrs each. I do not have a solar panel yet, but want to add that. I > put the batteries in battery boxes under the V berth and ran a fused, heavy > wire back to a trolling motor outlet that I mounted high on the cockpit > wall above the seats. Plug it in and go. So far, only one season in lakes > in MO, it has worked just fine. However, I have not been in anything but > mild winds, nothing over 11 or 12 knots. And, I really don’t have sever > current issues on inland lakes. It is quiet, it don’t smell and I like it > so far. I did have to epoxy pieces of rubber to the jaws of the trolling > motor to keep it from rotating on the transom wooden pads at the motor > mount. I’m hoping they will stay on. I also realized fairly quickly that > I really don’t need to steer with the trolling motor. I just let it run > straight and use my tiller to steer. Seems to work. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Jon Barber > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 12:31 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Electric propulsion > > Yet another trip to the mooring where I am smelling gasoline. I love the 2 > hp Honda, but i realize in many situations I really only need a small push > here and there. My thought was to buy a trolling motor, extra battery and a > solar panel. There us plenty of sun where I live. The Honda leaks just > enough to perfume my cabin with gas fumes. I will be making the necessary > repairs; fuel lines and cap, but can anyone offer their wisdom re electric > options? Torqueedo is out of the question as to the price. > Thanks > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 11:40:14 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Re rig > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <0396de39-477b-6638-0525-82bbfcbc8d9c(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I know a guy who re-rigged his Storfidra 25 > (https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/storfidra-25 - Swedish built cruising > boat - he may have the only one on the USA west coast?) with soft > shrouds - except for the double forestay, which is still wire rope. > > Not a trailer sailor boat, obviously, but if you think it might be > helpful, I could probably put you in touch with him. > > I thought about it when I was getting new stays & shrouds for my M17. I > decided to not take on the learning curve at that time...my rigging got > much more streamlined anyhow, because what it came with was all > nicopress and thimbles everywhere. So many places to twist or snag or > jam up! Now it's much sleeker and less finicky to raise the mast. > > cheers, > john > > On 5/11/21 10:24 AM, Jon Barber wrote: > > Has anyone rerigged their 17 with dyneema? I am considering rerigging my > > boat and would be interested in any tutorials or ideas. > > Thanks, > > Jon Barber > > Monty17 > > Ol'44 > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 219, Issue 5 > ************************************************ >

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Electric propulsion
by Jon Barber 11 May '21

11 May '21

Yet another trip to the mooring where I am smelling gasoline. I love the 2 hp Honda, but i realize in many situations I really only need a small push here and there. My thought was to buy a trolling motor, extra battery and a solar panel. There us plenty of sun where I live. The Honda leaks just enough to perfume my cabin with gas fumes. I will be making the necessary repairs; fuel lines and cap, but can anyone offer their wisdom re electric options? Torqueedo is out of the question as to the price. Thanks Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44

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Montgomery's on Lake Powell 2020
by David Grah 10 May '21

10 May '21

In case anyone is looking for a way to waste several minutes I posted a video of our trip last year to Lake Powell in a Montgomery 15 and a Montgomery 17: https://youtu.be/hd2Mr19UF8A David GrahBishop California

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Monty 12 for sale Sea-Tac area
by John Schinnerer 09 May '21

09 May '21

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/boa/d/seattle-montgomery-12-sailboat-row… Just stumbled over this... cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: Porta Potti for M15
by Dave Scobie 04 May '21

04 May '21

Brad: The base conforms to the size of the spot where the potti sits. Once it has been 'remolded' the potti lifts in/out fine, though it is a snug fit (which is actually a good thing IMO). If your potti is really old it may fit without modification. My '84 M15 had a potti, a old Thetford 235, that fit. (See attached picture.) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 5:09 AM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dave, > I must confess to never even trying to fit my Thetford in the porta potty > space > in my 2009 M15. I only started using the Thetford two years ago in my > Swifty 13 and found > it to be more to my liking than the bucket. My Thetford came with an old > Catalina Capri I used to own many years ago, and I kept the Thetford, but > not the boat. > So now you've got my curiousity picqued. Going to have to see if that > Thetford > fits into the Monty today! Thanks for the words of caution. I gather the > boiling water > method means once you smush the Thetford into the M15's cavity, there's no > getting > it back out again, unless you put boiling water back in again during the > attempted excavation? > - Brad > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 9:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Be very very careful in that the Thetford 135 currently sold, like at >> Cabela's, will not fit. The base is much larger than the 135 sold before >> the late 2000 and the hot water trick outlined below doesn't work. >> >> (Thetford actually originally marketed this new unit as the 260 in 2011 >> and stated it was a direct drop in replacement. IT IS NOT. A few years >> ago they changed the marketing for the 260 to 135.) >> >> A 135 from the 80s or 90s and early 2000s is the needed toilet. Look on >> Craigslist, eBay, etc. Then there is a trick to make the old 135s fit - >> heat up water to boiling, fill potti where #1&2 goes, and press, carefully, >> into the M15's potti space. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new >> site! >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 6:09 PM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I've used both the Thetford Porta Potti 135 >>> and the 5 gallon bucket Wag bag method, >>> and found I much prefer the Porta Potti. >>> Lots easier to use, and it hides odors just fine. >>> It's faster, tons more comfortable, and requires less prep. >>> You set it up one time and you're good for 5 days. With the >>> bucket you got to do a setup and dispose, after each use - a real pain. >>> One half bottle of odor goop will keep it odor free for 5 days for one >>> person. Don't use it for No. 1 - you'll get more days out of it that >>> way. >>> :) >>> To empty, clean and re-use all you need is a bathroom with a toilet and >>> running water. There's lots of how-to videos on youtube >>> for it, and it's really quite simple. Here's a link for the >>> Thetford 135 on sale at Cabela's, and I've attached >>> the operating manual for it as well, and it should be available >>> online, too. https://www.cabelas.com/shop/en/thetford-porta-potti-135 >>> I ordered a custom vinyl square cover for it, and keep it covered while >>> not >>> in use. >>> After having used the porta potti, i'll not be going back to using the >>> bucket. >>> A good way to test it out and get used to it is to use the porta potti at >>> home for 5 days. >>> Then use the bucket at home for 5 days. I think you'll quickly notice >>> obvious differences. >>> Walmart sells the odor goop - I use 4 oz. Thetford Aqua-Chem at a time. >>> So >>> one 8 oz. >>> bottle should last one person 10 days. Good luck and good pooping. :) >>> >>

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