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Re: M_Boats: Prayer request
by whitsonalan＠aol.com 24 Jul '20

24 Jul '20

May The Lord bless and watch over you at your time of need. May He bless you with healing and comfort and surround you with loved ones. Alan Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Friday, July 24, 2020, eisenee--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: I, Eldor Eisen and my wife Dorothy owned a Montgomery 17 for about 15 years. We did the San Juan Islsnd cruise with Larry Yake 3 times, did the Potter Yachter Challenge once and did Lake Havasu several times.Reason for this email.Dorothy now has Frontotemporal Dementia, serious balance problems and various other health issues.Now the bad part, I was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in mid May and had my first chemo treatment a week ago. The goal is to keep it from spreading. I didn’t have any of the adverse reactions I was told to expect and still feel great but I am sure that will change as time goes by. Thank you for your prayers Eldor and Dorothy Eisen Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com

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Trailers
by Rusty Knorr 22 Jul '20

22 Jul '20

My SCAMP trailer has the “outside the beam“ guides which really helps center the boat when retrieving singlehanded. Easy bolt on aftermarket upgrade if your trailer doesn’t already have them, highly recommended. Rusty www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Jul 22, 2020, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rollers (John Schinnerer) > 2. rollers (whitsonalan(a)aol.com) > 3. Re: rollers (Peter Zimowsky) > 4. Re: rollers (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > 5. Re: trailer keel guides (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:18:35 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rollers > Message-ID: <5b2bb372-b478-7744-abd8-dd3f1bf5f62e(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > A couple years ago in looking at options for a trailer for my M17 I > called a company that used to make a lot of roller trailers, can't > recall the name just now but they were the main roller trailer builders > back in the day it seemed. > > The guy I communicated with said they hadn't made any roller trailers > for years now (not for sailboats at least). > > A friend had a Ranger 20 on a roller trailer for a few years. It was a > nice trailer in good shape. > > The advantage I saw was in being able to get the boat off and on the > trailer when the trailer couldn't go deep enough to fully float it off > of a bunk-type trailer. > > And, it did deform the hull slightly in one or two places, even when > loaded as well as could be managed. > > cheers, > john > > >> On 7/18/20 6:58 AM, Dave Scobie wrote: >> Alan: >> >> I recommend duplicating what exists. On the older TrailRite trailers the >> sloped roller helps guide the boat to the center. >> >> The clearish yellow or orange rollers leave less marks and seem to stand up >> to sunlight better than the black rubber. >> >> Just to confirm - keep the hull bunkboards. Don't convert the trailer to >> something like an EZRoller. This setup will damage the hull as it crates >> pressure points - seen it, fixed it and replaced a M15 trailer that was all >> rollers and no bunkboards. >> >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:57 PM Alan via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >>> I?m in the process of refurbishing the trailer for our M15 and was >>> wondering about opinions on rollers. The trailer currently has the >>> standard tapered type. I?m thinking of switching to a flat type that the >>> keel might set more squarely on. >>> Thanks , Alan >>> >>> >>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:27:23 +0000 (UTC) > From: whitsonalan(a)aol.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: rollers > Message-ID: <550354597.5419954.1595420843345(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I posted a question recently about the trailer on our Monty 15. Does anyone have an opinion about the keel rollers. The one the go under the center of the boat. The ones on our trailer are the traditional black rubber ones that tapper to a point in the middle. Of course the Monty has no point so the boat does not set centered on them. Thanks for your patience. > Alan? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 06:59:14 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: whitsonalan(a)aol.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: rollers > Message-ID: <813277A4-E073-44B4-BC87-B306028AE65D(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi: > I have bunk boards and the black rubber keel rollers but they don?t really roll, just support the keel. The problem I found with loading my M15 that on certain slanted ramps or with the waves or current coming a certain way, the keel ends up off center on the roller. > I?m careful not to let that happen. And back the boat back in the water. Since I?m solo boating and trying to load the boat back on the trailer, if it?s going on crooked, I ask someone on the dock to pull on a stern line as I?m pulling the boat out of the water. > For some reason the boat aways wants to go to the left side of the trailer off center. So, I have someone pull hard on the right side on the stern line and it usually centers the boat. > In my 157 times of loading the boat, this is fairly common. > If I?m alone, I tie the stern line on the dock snuggly, then jump in the car and pull the boat out about a foot and it usually centers. Then I untie the stern line and drive the boat out of the water. > I did, ONCE, forget the stern line and pulled the boat out of the water. Luckily the line broke and the hardware didn?t break. > > Pete WinterSky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness ? John Muir > > > > > > >> On Jul 22, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Alan via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> I posted a question recently about the trailer on our Monty 15. Does anyone have an opinion about the keel rollers. The one the go under the center of the boat. The ones on our trailer are the traditional black rubber ones that tapper to a point in the middle. Of course the Monty has no point so the boat does not set centered on them. Thanks for your patience. >> Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: rollers > Message-ID: > <1007615415.8035619.1595430672518.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On my M15 trailer the previous owner made a keel guide with two pieces of flexible black polyethylene pipe. One end it bolted vertically on either side of the keel, and they curve up and bolt at the bottom aft end of the bunk boards. This is probably a $5 and 10 minute job, but it perfectly aligns the keel and centers the boat on the trailer effortlessly. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: whitsonalan(a)aol.com, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:59:14 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: rollers > > Hi: > I have bunk boards and the black rubber keel rollers but they don?t really roll, just support the keel. The problem I found with loading my M15 that on certain slanted ramps or with the waves or current coming a certain way, the keel ends up off center on the roller. > I?m careful not to let that happen. And back the boat back in the water. Since I?m solo boating and trying to load the boat back on the trailer, if it?s going on crooked, I ask someone on the dock to pull on a stern line as I?m pulling the boat out of the water. > For some reason the boat aways wants to go to the left side of the trailer off center. So, I have someone pull hard on the right side on the stern line and it usually centers the boat. > In my 157 times of loading the boat, this is fairly common. > If I?m alone, I tie the stern line on the dock snuggly, then jump in the car and pull the boat out about a foot and it usually centers. Then I untie the stern line and drive the boat out of the water. > I did, ONCE, forget the stern line and pulled the boat out of the water. Luckily the line broke and the hardware didn?t break. > > Pete WinterSky > (Zimowsky) > > outdoors writer and photographer > www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > > The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness ? John Muir > > > > > > >> On Jul 22, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Alan via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> I posted a question recently about the trailer on our Monty 15. Does anyone have an opinion about the keel rollers. The one the go under the center of the boat. The ones on our trailer are the traditional black rubber ones that tapper to a point in the middle. Of course the Monty has no point so the boat does not set centered on them. Thanks for your patience. >> Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:50:58 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer keel guides > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA6amXkKnBR2ixe+5hW7Kn=Rv8fUku1iRk6dyJzr-Ngovw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Tyler describes a great solution. Here is a link to the MSOGphotosite that > outlines examples of trailer keel guides - > > http://msogphotosite.com/Scripts/General/generalsearch.php?searchstring=Gui… > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 8:13 AM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: >> >> On my M15 trailer the previous owner made a keel guide with two pieces of >> flexible black polyethylene pipe. One end it bolted vertically on either >> side of the keel, and they curve up and bolt at the bottom aft end of the >> bunk boards. This is probably a $5 and 10 minute job, but it perfectly >> aligns the keel and centers the boat on the trailer effortlessly. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler >> '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:59:14 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: rollers >> >> Hi: >> I have bunk boards and the black rubber keel rollers but they don?t really >> roll, just support the keel. The problem I found with loading my M15 that >> on certain slanted ramps or with the waves or current coming a certain way, >> the keel ends up off center on the roller. >> I?m careful not to let that happen. And back the boat back in the water. >> Since I?m solo boating and trying to load the boat back on the trailer, if >> it?s going on crooked, I ask someone on the dock to pull on a stern line as >> I?m pulling the boat out of the water. >> For some reason the boat aways wants to go to the left side of the trailer >> off center. So, I have someone pull hard on the right side on the stern >> line and it usually centers the boat. >> In my 157 times of loading the boat, this is fairly common. >> If I?m alone, I tie the stern line on the dock snuggly, then jump in the >> car and pull the boat out about a foot and it usually centers. Then I untie >> the stern line and drive the boat out of the water. >> I did, ONCE, forget the stern line and pulled the boat out of the water. >> Luckily the line broke and the hardware didn?t break. >> >> Pete WinterSky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> The clearest way into the Universe is through a forest wilderness ? John >> Muir >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 209, Issue 13 > *************************************************

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rollers
by whitsonalan＠aol.com 22 Jul '20

22 Jul '20

I posted a question recently about the trailer on our Monty 15. Does anyone have an opinion about the keel rollers. The one the go under the center of the boat. The ones on our trailer are the traditional black rubber ones that tapper to a point in the middle. Of course the Monty has no point so the boat does not set centered on them. Thanks for your patience. Alan

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Rollers
by whitsonalan＠aol.com 21 Jul '20

21 Jul '20

I’m in the process of refurbishing the trailer for our M15 and was wondering about opinions on rollers. The trailer currently has the standard tapered type. I’m thinking of switching to a flat type that the keel might set more squarely on. Thanks , Alan Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com

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M17 for Sale San Diego
by Jared Prindle 19 Jul '20

19 Jul '20

This is for Sam (I apologize but even after doing this mail group for 10+ years, I still don’t seem to know how to reply to the correct chain). Sam, the motor is a 12v 55lb Minn Kota (with a chip on one of the prob blades). The motor worked fine for me as I just used it for docking. I had to back the boat upwind for 20’ or so and then turn it into the wind. From there I turned the motor off. In fact, I have since removed the motor as I don’t like having anything hanging off the arse end of my boats and am willing to take the risk of the wind dying out leaving me with a paddle. If I were to use the motor again I’d run heavy gauge cables from the house battery to the transom as I really just used the motor for 60 seconds or so. That said, I’ve tried motoring into a decent headwind of 10-12 knots and with any sort of wave action, no this motor really doesn’t push the boat well. I’m sure somewhere on the Google machine, there’s a translator from electric lbs to gas hp. Jared > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > M_Boats: M17 for Sale San Diego

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M17 for Sale San Diego
by Jared Prindle 19 Jul '20

19 Jul '20

I’m selling our 2007 M17 with a new custom Pacific Trailer. I have somewhat affair with M boats, this one being my 6th. Since I love them all and I don’t have room for them all, I like to keep them rotating. I will say I miss my M12 the most. Back to this sale…The boat is in great condition inside and out. The only job I’d expect a new buyer would want to do is take all the bottom paint off. I’m including a unused gallon of Interlux Act (same paint as what’s on the hull now). I’m asking 15K for a really clean boat and a perfect fitting trailer, trolling motor, batteries, anchor rode etc. All the info and photos are here https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/boa/d/oceanside-2007-montgomery-17-and/… <https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/boa/d/oceanside-2007-montgomery-17-and/…> Jared

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Rollers
by Rusty Knorr 18 Jul '20

18 Jul '20

I know there are a million dissenting opinions, but my ‘84 was on rollers and there was no issue with the hull at all, and no issue launching and recovering either, super easy with rollers. As I’ve always said, there are literally millions of boats sitting on roller equipped trailers without damage, they can’t all be wrong. Get a couple of small rocks or sand embedded in those bunk boards and watch it shred your hull every time the boat grinds across it and you’ll be be repairing that too (I’ve seen it). With an adequate number of rollers the M15 shouldn’t weigh enough to damage its own hull on rollers unless your boat was built with shoddy workmanship and a thin hull, most of the weight should be carried on the keel anyway! And I’m not going to get in another long “rollers vs bunks“ argument, just giving one person’s opinion, worth exactly what you payed for it. Rusty www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:00 AM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rollers (Ian Black) > 2. Re: Rollers (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:33:19 +0000 > From: Ian Black <seaweeble(a)hotmail.com> > To: "whitsonalan(a)aol.com" <whitsonalan(a)aol.com>, For and about > Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rollers > Message-ID: > <MWHPR14MB1120DC867395B3F5418C745DA47D0(a)MWHPR14MB1120.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I would strongly suggest foregoing rollers and install bunk-boards. They are much easier on the hull. I did this for M-15 after spotting some deformations in the hull from my rollers. This is an Arizona boat so heat and weight didn?t do the fiberglass any good. > > Ian > M-17 Seaweeble > M-15 Judi B > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 > > From: Alan via montgomery_boats<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:56 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Rollers > > I?m in the process of refurbishing the trailer for our M15 and was wondering about opinions on rollers. The trailer currently has the standard tapered type. I?m thinking of switching to a flat type that the keel might set more squarely on. > Thanks , Alan > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 06:58:54 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: whitsonalan(a)aol.com, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rollers > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA4BgcPQ1u902uDfVg0gHhWstyd2vch9_d61Y8VoQxR5-Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Alan: > > I recommend duplicating what exists. On the older TrailRite trailers the > sloped roller helps guide the boat to the center. > > The clearish yellow or orange rollers leave less marks and seem to stand up > to sunlight better than the black rubber. > > Just to confirm - keep the hull bunkboards. Don't convert the trailer to > something like an EZRoller. This setup will damage the hull as it crates > pressure points - seen it, fixed it and replaced a M15 trailer that was all > rollers and no bunkboards. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 8:57 PM Alan via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> I?m in the process of refurbishing the trailer for our M15 and was >> wondering about opinions on rollers. The trailer currently has the >> standard tapered type. I?m thinking of switching to a flat type that the >> keel might set more squarely on. >> Thanks , Alan >> >> >> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail >> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 209, Issue 10 > *************************************************

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Siltcoos lake (Oregon) sailing
by John Schinnerer 16 Jul '20

16 Jul '20

Hi all, If all goes as planned, I will have my M17 "Pajarita" in Siltcoos lake from late July to late August (27th to 27th, give or take a few days either end). Siltcoos is about 8 miles south of the town of Florence on the Oregon coast, and is the largest of quite a few lakes in that area both north and south of Florence. I will have a tie-up at Westlake Resort's docks - the resort is adjacent to the south side of the public boat ramp at the end of Pacific Ave. off highway 101 (east off 101; west side of the lake). Give a shout if you want to meet up for some sailing, whether you've got a Monty (or some other boat) of your own to bring or not. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Pend Oreille
by bownez＠juno.com 14 Jul '20

14 Jul '20

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Pend Oreille
by Gerald Wyatt 13 Jul '20

13 Jul '20

Hi Everyone, I’ll be taking my M23 to lake Pend Oreille starting tomorrow. I’ll be there through next Friday. We are staying at Farragut state park near Bayview. We plan to go to Whisky Rock campground one night. Any Monty owners sailing on Pend Oreille this week? Would be fun to see another wrinkle boat. Gerry Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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