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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Re: M_Boats: List of members?
by mrh219 30 May '19

30 May '19

What happened to the yahoo Montgomery group that listed owners? -------- Original message -------- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Date:05/29/2019 9:10 PM (GMT-05:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: List of members? Glenn. There is no public list of members. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Wed, May 29, 2019, 5:59 PM Glenn Anderson <ganderson1923(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Dave. Is there a list somewhere of members and contact > info/location for them? (Re-read my post and realized I was very unclear > in my original post.) > > Thanks. > > > On May 29, 2019, at 17:45, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Glenn. > > > > Welcome to the group! > > > > Please ask questions as things come up. Lots of experience and opinions > > here! > > > > For online things there are Defender, Jamestown Distributers, Garhauer, > > West Marine and Amazon. > > > > Not sure a local chandelier for you as I'm on the Salish Sea. > > > > Jerry Montgomery is in the list and does occasionally give insights. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > > > > On Wed, May 29, 2019, 8:59 AM Glenn Anderson <ganderson1923(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Just recently joined this site and trying to see if anyone lives on > >> Northern Neck or Middle Peninsula of VA. > >> > >> I’m also not the sharpest guy in the world on technology, so perhaps > I’ve > >> missed it in perusing the site. Or maybe there’s a privacy issue? > >> > >> Anyway, am new to sailing and Montgomery boats and just looking for > >> suggestions on reputable boatyards, places to look for gear for > Montgomery > >> 17s, etc. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> Glenn > >> > >

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List of members?
by Glenn Anderson 30 May '19

30 May '19

Just recently joined this site and trying to see if anyone lives on Northern Neck or Middle Peninsula of VA. I’m also not the sharpest guy in the world on technology, so perhaps I’ve missed it in perusing the site. Or maybe there’s a privacy issue? Anyway, am new to sailing and Montgomery boats and just looking for suggestions on reputable boatyards, places to look for gear for Montgomery 17s, etc. Thanks. Glenn

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 Mast Failure
by Gerry Lempicki 27 May '19

27 May '19

Some more to think about based on my recent mast purchase; If you change more than the spar, it will require more work/parts. Dwyer offers a hinged base plate, but it doesn't allow for tilting the mast fore or aft (once raised, you pin the based so there is no more tilting, only bending). They also offer a tabernacle and pin arrangement; it is shorter in height with a shorter vertical slot. When using this, one does not use the original cast aluminum mast base/foot (at least it was on my boat), but rather a relief angle needs to be machined on the bottom aft edge of the mast to allow for clearance when raising. After looking at them all I opted to use the original tabernacle that I had, along with the base or foot.If you go with a new mast head, they need to machine a slot in the top of the mast. My halyard sheaves were fairly weathered; I was going to make some new ones but in the end I went with their suggestion to replace he entire masthead. This however required a change to the standing rigging. I was replacing mine anyway, as some strands were broken and there was no way I as using that with a new mast. I also wanted to be able to assemble my standing rigging myself as I get the boat together and measure everything. I chose to go with Sta-lok rigging; due to the pins on the masthead and the size of holes in Sta-lok forks and eyes, I upsized to 5/32" wire. This allowed everything to work without further modification. It has been a learning experience. Oh I also went with Dwyer spreader brackets, which introduce a slight up angle and seemed like they will hold the spreaders in place well.YMMV If everything else is good on your boat, certainly the fastest would be to just get the the spar itself, maybe with the opening in the slot machined. Since my original mast foot fit the DM-6 profile, I'm guessing the original mast head would too, but I haven't tried it. One nice thing about the new mast is that there are centered extrusion lines on both sides to help with hole placement. It was easy for me to drill it without screwing up.

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 195, Issue 19
by Kevin Sandwick 26 May '19

26 May '19

Re-Mast Failure, Thanks for the information, Will be calling Dwyer on Tuesday, Any thoughts on using SS tangs riveted to the mast as opposed the original hole and bolt method? Thanks again, Kevin ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:00 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 195, Issue 19 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. M-17 Mast Failure (Kevin Sandwick) 2. Re: M-17 Mast Failure (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: M-17 Mast Failure (John Schinnerer) 4. Re: M-17 Mast Failure (Thomas Buzzi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 01:27:39 +0000 From: Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick(a)hotmail.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M-17 Mast Failure Message-ID: <DM6PR16MB32579D72AA9B2C0144678059AA1C0(a)DM6PR16MB3257.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I had a catastrophic mast failure today. In my analysis I believe there were three factors. 1- Oversized bolt hole at the spreaders 2- Loose inner stays 3- Strong gust in an already brisk wind. The mast parted right where the spreader bolt goes through the mast. After cleaning up the chaos at the deck I was able to get to shore and survey the carnage. My question at this point is, What is the mast section/profile. Looking at Dwyer Mast there are many to choose from. Is there a particular supplier for Montgomery masts? It is too early in the season to give up the game so I am going to try and get back on the water as soon as I can. Thanks in advance for any information. Kevin Nauti-Cal Hull #400 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 18:40:44 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Mast Failure Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4FyDzoBKVK3i4yn_Z2iNg5Duo_8dR1j4guVy7oqC5xJw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Kevin. Glad you weren't hurt! Boats can be fixed. Closest.mast match is a Dwyer DM-6 :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 6:28 PM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I had a catastrophic mast failure today. In my analysis I believe there > were three factors. > 1- Oversized bolt hole at the spreaders > 2- Loose inner stays > 3- Strong gust in an already brisk wind. > > The mast parted right where the spreader bolt goes through the mast. After > cleaning up the chaos at the deck I was able to get to shore and survey the > carnage. > My question at this point is, What is the mast section/profile. Looking at > Dwyer Mast there are many to choose from. Is there a particular supplier > for Montgomery masts? > It is too early in the season to give up the game so I am going to try and > get back on the water as soon as I can. > Thanks in advance for any information. > Kevin > Nauti-Cal > Hull #400 > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 22:24:35 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Mast Failure Message-ID: <bafad372-d509-9a2f-82bb-06e2f6c490b5(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Ouch!! Major bummer, sad to hear this. And ditto Dave, glad you are OK, our masts & connected stuff are plenty big to be dangerous when they break. Someone else here recently got a mast from Dwyer and IIRC was sent their hinged base plate instead of the SS tabernacle normally used on Montys...so if you order from them be sure to specify the right step hardware. Best wishes for getting back on the water sooner than later... John On 5/25/19 6:27 PM, Kevin Sandwick wrote: > I had a catastrophic mast failure today. In my analysis I believe there were three factors. > 1- Oversized bolt hole at the spreaders > 2- Loose inner stays > 3- Strong gust in an already brisk wind. > > The mast parted right where the spreader bolt goes through the mast. After cleaning up the chaos at the deck I was able to get to shore and survey the carnage. > My question at this point is, What is the mast section/profile. Looking at Dwyer Mast there are many to choose from. Is there a particular supplier for Montgomery masts? > It is too early in the season to give up the game so I am going to try and get back on the water as soon as I can. > Thanks in advance for any information. > Kevin > Nauti-Cal > Hull #400 > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 09:51:12 -0500 From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Mast Failure Message-ID: <CA+TbpAV0ZChvmwPK_PGEueVB7hq6ZfQMaOt9W89uz3ko8-=NHw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Did crevice corrosion due to electrolysis play any part in weakening your mast at the spreaders? Stainless Steel bolt, tangs, etc. and aluminum contact. Lost a mast on a 20footer once off the coast of Florida. Thank goodness for the "iron jenny". I was out in the Gulf Stream drifting north at about 3 knots, away from my home port. Fair winds, Tom Buzzi On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 8:28 PM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I had a catastrophic mast failure today. In my analysis I believe there > were three factors. > 1- Oversized bolt hole at the spreaders > 2- Loose inner stays > 3- Strong gust in an already brisk wind. > > The mast parted right where the spreader bolt goes through the mast. After > cleaning up the chaos at the deck I was able to get to shore and survey the > carnage. > My question at this point is, What is the mast section/profile. Looking at > Dwyer Mast there are many to choose from. Is there a particular supplier > for Montgomery masts? > It is too early in the season to give up the game so I am going to try and > get back on the water as soon as I can. > Thanks in advance for any information. > Kevin > Nauti-Cal > Hull #400 > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 195, Issue 19 *************************************************

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M17 Mast
by Gerry Lempicki 26 May '19

26 May '19

That was me that recently purchased one. It is DM-6 or very close. Here is a photo of old and new. They are busy right now; I'd buy the mast cut to length and do all the other work myself. Maybe have them machine the gate. Fortunately I'm 2 hours away so I drove out to get it. I'll be putting hardware back on and mounting it as soon as Robin finishes painting. -Gerry

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M-17 Mast Failure
by Kevin Sandwick 26 May '19

26 May '19

I had a catastrophic mast failure today. In my analysis I believe there were three factors. 1- Oversized bolt hole at the spreaders 2- Loose inner stays 3- Strong gust in an already brisk wind. The mast parted right where the spreader bolt goes through the mast. After cleaning up the chaos at the deck I was able to get to shore and survey the carnage. My question at this point is, What is the mast section/profile. Looking at Dwyer Mast there are many to choose from. Is there a particular supplier for Montgomery masts? It is too early in the season to give up the game so I am going to try and get back on the water as soon as I can. Thanks in advance for any information. Kevin Nauti-Cal Hull #400

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PP location
by Gerry Lempicki 24 May '19

24 May '19

I can't see those photos, but here are some from under the V berth in hull 23 from 1974 which I am getting ready for the season. -Gerry

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Re: M_Boats: classic M17 potti
by Dave Scobie 24 May '19

24 May '19

Mike: I agree that looks like something original. Strange that your boat doesn't have the under-vberth liner. Hope Jerry will see and he can state the model of potty and with that you can go hunting for an old one on eBay. If not you could grind off the flanges and bond a sheet of plywood over so you have a base to use a potty currently available. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Fri, May 24, 2019, 8:06 AM Michael Witkin <m.witkin(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Dave, > Thanks for your reply. A photo of the molded base is attached. It does > not appear to be an "add on", but does look like it was part of the > original design. > > Thanks, > Mike W > > On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎May‎ ‎22‎, ‎2019‎ ‎02‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PDT, Dave Scobie < > scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Mike. > > You wrote 'molded base'. You boat has something besides a flat shelf? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2019, 1:45 PM Michael Witkin via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Fellow Montgomery owners, > Recently purchased a 1978 M17 stored in former owners backyard, under > tarp, for 26 years. I have refinished all teak, replaced all running > rigging, and applied wax and polish. She looks great! My wife and I sail > in Sequim Bay, Olympic Peninsula, Washington.Our only problem is locating a > porta potty that fits in the molded base beneath the v berth; any > suggestions would be appreciated. > Fair Winds,Mike W > >

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Re: M_Boats: classic M17 potti
by John Schinnerer 24 May '19

24 May '19

I didn't see any pic of your boat Mike, must have gone to Dave only, not the list? Anyhow, there's no liner under the v-berth in my #38 from '74, and no support or other customizations for holding a portapotty. Just the inside of the hull. Some pics attached. Looks like at some point something with a round-ish base was epoxied in there...you can see areas with translucent greenish epoxy. I'm guessing it was added by some prior owner and then removed...I doubt that sloppy greenish epoxy is OEM. Nothing like it anywhere else in the boat. cheers, John On 5/24/19 9:45 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:> Mike. > > I don't have any pics. It just provided places to attach things. Good in it > reduced likelihood.of drilling a hole through hull when installing a > mounting bracket. Bad in it limited customization. > > Maybe someone can photo under their M17 vberth? (Needs to be a Jerry built > boat as the mold was destroyed by Jerry about '94/95.) > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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