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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Sail design CAD program (open source)
by John Schinnerer 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

For anyone pondering some custom sail-making, this could be handy: http://www.sailcut.com/ Has been around about as long as computers! Well not quite but the original was in 1978... Free and open source, all platforms... cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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New to the group!
by Brandon Mercer 23 Oct '19

23 Oct '19

Hey everyone! I’m Brandon, from Northern California. I race on J24s and am looking at Montgomery 17s. I’m in awe of the reputation and well thought out interior. I’ve been “boat shopping” for years while enjoying racing with OPBYC — Other People’s Boats Yacht Club. I’m really eager to see a Monty 17 in person. If anyone in NorCal would be open to letting me take a look... I could come by and help launch her, etc if I could just get a look at the rigging, the interior and ask a few questions? I think I found a good Monty 17 in the PNW but don’t want to drive up to buy her until I get to see one firsthand; ya know? Thank you all for the pictures and information... what an amazing site! -- Brandon Mercer Cell Phone: (415) 636-1912 brandonmmercer(a)gmail.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/mercerbrandon

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Boom vang on M17
by Henry Rodriguez 16 Oct '19

16 Oct '19

I notice some boats have the block with the cam cleat mounted at the mast base, others have it attached at the boom end. I know it is a matter of personal preference but what is the consensus? Is it more convenient to cleat it at the top or at the bottom on a 17? My current cascaded set up has the tail lead to a cam cleat on the cabin top, just like the halyards. I imitated the setup from my VN23 but am thinking that is overkill. I want to change back to a self contained system to free up space on the cabin top. The vang will have snap shackles on each end so it can be cleated to the perforated toe rail if desired. It will be 4:1 or 3:1. I don’t see a need to add a doubler. So, top cleating or bottom cleating? Henry Monita -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

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need a new/used centerboard for a M15 year 1982
by matthew bowers 15 Oct '19

15 Oct '19

I am looking for a used CB. I have a 1982 M15 and it needs a replacement. Please let me know. Matthew

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M15 #616 year 2002
by Karen & Smiley 15 Oct '19

15 Oct '19

In TOP shape for her age and the boat is in Kensington MD or Fairwinds Marina in Pasadena MD. Comes with EVERYTHING you need to go sailing extensive list so e mail me off line. Price is $8700 and can wiggle a bit for Monty educated owners. Smiley Karen & Smiley Magoo252(a)comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 2:00 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 200, Issue 11 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 200, Issue 9 (Steve Trapp) 2. 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Re: Boom vang on M15 (John Schinnerer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:29:20 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 200, Issue 9 Message-ID: <7EE40CB761634B36962B0C8AE480A670@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I got your posting of your M-15 for sale. Where is it? Where is the boat located? What state or part of the country? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Karen & Smiley Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 2:25 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 200, Issue 9 TEST , are u guys seeing my mail as I get mail but have posted twice my M15 for sale and have not seen the post. Advise Smiley Karen & Smiley Magoo252(a)comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 2:00 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 200, Issue 9 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (John Schinnerer) 2. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Daniel Rich) 3. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (casioqv(a)usermail.com) 4. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Henry Rodriguez) 5. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (John Schinnerer) 6. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Daniel Rich) 7. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Henry Rodriguez) 8. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (John Schinnerer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:08:28 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <6b003329-9540-1a33-223b-7d89da3e66b7(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen from other mfgs. cheers, John On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > Also check > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 > > Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! > > Henry > Monita > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely >> does have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can >> touch it and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). >> Sometimes WM is the last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell >> of tar in real chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and >> nylon...but I love my little plastic boat. >> Ed >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>> >>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as >> close a match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of >> boat stores, West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>> >>> Hello fellow sailors! >>> >>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current >>> one attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the >>> bearing housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has >>> started to >> split >>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>> >>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>> >>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>> >>> Chris >>> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:12:09 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <FC613A8E-C0F5-4F4F-9C08-4B923A1605BE(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey, some great looking stuff there!! Daniel > On Oct 12, 2019, at 12:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen from other mfgs. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >> Also check >> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >> Henry >> Monita >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely does >>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my little >>> plastic boat. >>> Ed >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat stores, >>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>> Steve >>>> M-15 # 335 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>> >>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>> >>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>> split >>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>> >>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: casioqv(a)usermail.com To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <2035420659.35243314.1570911453420.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I use the Nautos swivel base on my M15 and love it, but I use it with a Harken ratchet block as the base I got didn't come with a block. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:12:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Hey, some great looking stuff there!! Daniel > On Oct 12, 2019, at 12:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen from other mfgs. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >> Also check >> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >> Henry >> Monita >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely does >>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my little >>> plastic boat. >>> Ed >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat stores, >>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>> Steve >>>> M-15 # 335 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>> >>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>> >>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>> split >>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>> >>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:20:39 -0500 From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <CAMKG1hJ5Jq2nDbQNPLZsDOZBXY2eZqksWCv9EQr-rnBvwyWBgA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" John, I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the sheet easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan RF58 cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a swivel block. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP for 5% off. Henry On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet > block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something > to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen > from other mfgs. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > > Also check > > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 > > > > Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! > > > > Henry > > Monita > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely > does > >> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it > >> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the > >> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real > >> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my > little > >> plastic boat. > >> Ed > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. > >> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a > >> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat > stores, > >> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. > >>> Steve > >>> M-15 # 335 > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith > >>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM > >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm > >>> > >>> Hello fellow sailors! > >>> > >>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one > >>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing > >>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to > >> split > >>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions for a new one? > >>> > >>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:17:21 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <d9b9a262-aa98-8850-b249-efac5755c32f(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Exactly...trimming the jib sheets more quickly easily safely. Needs to be done a lot in swirly wind lake sailing. Unfortunately they also add at least one more place the released jib sheet can hang up when tacking... Why did you replace the bullseye with a swivel block? Do you have a pic? I re-positioned the oversize cam cleats some prior owner had put on my M17 so that they are fairly close behind the winches and angle partially into the cockpit. So I can sheet in somewhat just by pulling thru them. But can't release them from across cockpit in most cases. And it's still not optimal, and better one side than the other due to winch rotation being same on both sides so the line comes off winch to cam at a better angle one side. I know a guy with a Wharram Tiki 21 who actually set up his jib sheets to run to the windward side - that is, the active sheet is led via a few blocks cross-deck to the windward side. A bit easier to do without it getting in the way, on a cat. Basically jibs are a PITA. I am not having one on any other boats I may build or acquire...balanced lug, cat yawl, etc. The jib drive power on an M17 is awesome but the big jib is a pain to tack, and I mostly sail lakes with shifty winds so there is a fair bit of tacking and just trimming. cheers, John On 10/12/19 1:20 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > John, > > I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the sheet > easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan RF58 > cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a > swivel block. > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 > > I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 > because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. > > The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line > > If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP > for 5% off. > > Henry > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > >> Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet >> block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something >> to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen >> from other mfgs. >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >>> Also check >>> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >>> >>> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >>> >>> Henry >>> Monita >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely >> does >>>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my >> little >>>> plastic boat. >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat >> stores, >>>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>>> Steve >>>>> M-15 # 335 >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>>> >>>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>>> >>>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>>> split >>>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:41:20 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <B3EED233-CF05-47E7-8FB6-BEEDF9C675F1(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That is one reason I am building the SCAMP. Obviously a dinghy compared with an M17. But I am hopeful for the ease of rigging with a light non-stayed mast, and one simple sail without the jib. We shall see. Daniel Rich > On Oct 12, 2019, at 4:17 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > Exactly...trimming the jib sheets more quickly easily safely. Needs to be done a lot in swirly wind lake sailing. > > Unfortunately they also add at least one more place the released jib sheet can hang up when tacking... > > Why did you replace the bullseye with a swivel block? > Do you have a pic? > > I re-positioned the oversize cam cleats some prior owner had put on my M17 so that they are fairly close behind the winches and angle partially into the cockpit. So I can sheet in somewhat just by pulling thru them. But can't release them from across cockpit in most cases. > And it's still not optimal, and better one side than the other due to winch rotation being same on both sides so the line comes off winch to cam at a better angle one side. > > I know a guy with a Wharram Tiki 21 who actually set up his jib sheets to run to the windward side - that is, the active sheet is led via a few blocks cross-deck to the windward side. A bit easier to do without it getting in the way, on a cat. > > Basically jibs are a PITA. I am not having one on any other boats I may build or acquire...balanced lug, cat yawl, etc. > > The jib drive power on an M17 is awesome but the big jib is a pain to tack, and I mostly sail lakes with shifty winds so there is a fair bit of tacking and just trimming. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 1:20 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >> John, >> I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the sheet >> easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan RF58 >> cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a >> swivel block. >> https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 >> I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 >> https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 >> because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. >> The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. >> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line >> If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP >> for 5% off. >> Henry >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >>> Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet >>> block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something >>> to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen >>> from other mfgs. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >>>> Also check >>>> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >>>> >>>> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >>>> >>>> Henry >>>> Monita >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely >>> does >>>>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>>>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>>>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>>>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my >>> little >>>>> plastic boat. >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>>>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>>>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat >>> stores, >>>>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> M-15 # 335 >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>>>> split >>>>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:57:20 -0500 From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <CAMKG1hJspd-7votVHVkrcFmO6KMy8-3SLuP58R4qannpJRnjpQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I know what you mean about swirly wind lake sailing. Small bays mean tacking every few minutes. And the convoluted shorelines bend the wind in different directions every few hundred yards. I replaced the bullseye on the swivel cleat with a block with the idea of reducing friction for when I choose not to use the winches, which is most of the time. I already had the blocks and eye straps on hand so I figured I had nothing to lose. I?m not sure if it makes any real difference other than in my head. The cage type fairleads on the cleat are a bit overkill too since the cam itself swivels to line up with the direction of pull. Again, stuff I had on hand from Chiquita. https://nautos-usa.com/products/91185-fairlead-for-big-cam-cleat-91025-or-91 035 I?ll be replacing them with either the original Ronstan fairleads or simple eye straps like these. https://nautos-usa.com/collections/cam-cleats-fairleads/products/91056-fairl ead-for-cam-plastic-green-for-big-cam-cleat-2-pieces-set I added a pair of aluminum Clamcleats on wedge risers a bit aft of the swivel cams since this picture was taken. I use them as sheet anchors for my drifter sheets, bypassing the swivel cams. I almost never use the winches while singlehanding with the jib or Genoa or even the storm jib. Just trim and release from the high side. If the wind is strong enough to require the extra power I take it as a sign that I have too much sail up. I sailed my VN23 cutter for many decades without sheet winches. I do use the winches with the drifter, hence the clamcleats. The drifter has its own sheets. I think Gary O has a cross sheeting setup on his M17 using turning blocks to cabin top winches. Gary? Henry On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 6:18 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > Exactly...trimming the jib sheets more quickly easily safely. Needs to > be done a lot in swirly wind lake sailing. > > Unfortunately they also add at least one more place the released jib > sheet can hang up when tacking... > > Why did you replace the bullseye with a swivel block? > Do you have a pic? > > I re-positioned the oversize cam cleats some prior owner had put on my > M17 so that they are fairly close behind the winches and angle partially > into the cockpit. So I can sheet in somewhat just by pulling thru them. > But can't release them from across cockpit in most cases. > And it's still not optimal, and better one side than the other due to > winch rotation being same on both sides so the line comes off winch to > cam at a better angle one side. > > I know a guy with a Wharram Tiki 21 who actually set up his jib sheets > to run to the windward side - that is, the active sheet is led via a few > blocks cross-deck to the windward side. A bit easier to do without it > getting in the way, on a cat. > > Basically jibs are a PITA. I am not having one on any other boats I may > build or acquire...balanced lug, cat yawl, etc. > > The jib drive power on an M17 is awesome but the big jib is a pain to > tack, and I mostly sail lakes with shifty winds so there is a fair bit > of tacking and just trimming. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 1:20 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > > John, > > > > I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the > sheet > > easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan > RF58 > > cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a > > swivel block. > > > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 > > > > I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 > > > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 > > because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. > > > > The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. > > > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line > > > > If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP > > for 5% off. > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > >> Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet > >> block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something > >> to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen > >> from other mfgs. > >> > >> cheers, > >> John > >> > >> On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > >>> Also check > >>> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 > >>> > >>> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> Monita > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely > >> does > >>>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch > it > >>>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is > the > >>>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real > >>>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my > >> little > >>>> plastic boat. > >>>> Ed > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help > you. > >>>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as > close a > >>>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat > >> stores, > >>>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. > >>>>> Steve > >>>>> M-15 # 335 > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith > >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM > >>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello fellow sailors! > >>>>> > >>>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current > one > >>>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the > bearing > >>>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to > >>>> split > >>>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any suggestions for a new one? > >>>>> > >>>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> -- > >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> - Eco-Living - > >> Whole Systems Design Services > >> People - Place - Learning - Integration > >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > >> http://eco-living.net > >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >> > >> -- > > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 200, Issue 9
by Karen & Smiley 15 Oct '19

15 Oct '19

TEST , are u guys seeing my mail as I get mail but have posted twice my M15 for sale and have not seen the post. Advise Smiley Karen & Smiley Magoo252(a)comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 2:00 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 200, Issue 9 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (John Schinnerer) 2. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Daniel Rich) 3. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (casioqv(a)usermail.com) 4. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Henry Rodriguez) 5. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (John Schinnerer) 6. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Daniel Rich) 7. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (Henry Rodriguez) 8. Re: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm (John Schinnerer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:08:28 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <6b003329-9540-1a33-223b-7d89da3e66b7(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen from other mfgs. cheers, John On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > Also check > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 > > Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! > > Henry > Monita > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely >> does have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can >> touch it and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). >> Sometimes WM is the last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell >> of tar in real chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and >> nylon...but I love my little plastic boat. >> Ed >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>> >>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as >> close a match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of >> boat stores, West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>> >>> Hello fellow sailors! >>> >>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current >>> one attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the >>> bearing housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has >>> started to >> split >>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>> >>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>> >>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>> >>> Chris >>> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 12:12:09 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <FC613A8E-C0F5-4F4F-9C08-4B923A1605BE(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey, some great looking stuff there!! Daniel > On Oct 12, 2019, at 12:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen from other mfgs. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >> Also check >> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >> Henry >> Monita >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely does >>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my little >>> plastic boat. >>> Ed >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat stores, >>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>> Steve >>>> M-15 # 335 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>> >>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>> >>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>> split >>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>> >>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: casioqv(a)usermail.com To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <2035420659.35243314.1570911453420.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I use the Nautos swivel base on my M15 and love it, but I use it with a Harken ratchet block as the base I got didn't come with a block. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:12:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Hey, some great looking stuff there!! Daniel > On Oct 12, 2019, at 12:08 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen from other mfgs. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >> Also check >> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >> Henry >> Monita >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely does >>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my little >>> plastic boat. >>> Ed >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat stores, >>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>> Steve >>>> M-15 # 335 >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>> >>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>> >>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>> split >>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>> >>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:20:39 -0500 From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <CAMKG1hJ5Jq2nDbQNPLZsDOZBXY2eZqksWCv9EQr-rnBvwyWBgA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" John, I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the sheet easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan RF58 cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a swivel block. https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP for 5% off. Henry On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet > block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something > to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen > from other mfgs. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > > Also check > > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 > > > > Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! > > > > Henry > > Monita > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely > does > >> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it > >> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the > >> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real > >> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my > little > >> plastic boat. > >> Ed > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. > >> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a > >> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat > stores, > >> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. > >>> Steve > >>> M-15 # 335 > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith > >>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM > >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm > >>> > >>> Hello fellow sailors! > >>> > >>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one > >>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing > >>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to > >> split > >>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. > >>> > >>> Any suggestions for a new one? > >>> > >>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:17:21 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <d9b9a262-aa98-8850-b249-efac5755c32f(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Exactly...trimming the jib sheets more quickly easily safely. Needs to be done a lot in swirly wind lake sailing. Unfortunately they also add at least one more place the released jib sheet can hang up when tacking... Why did you replace the bullseye with a swivel block? Do you have a pic? I re-positioned the oversize cam cleats some prior owner had put on my M17 so that they are fairly close behind the winches and angle partially into the cockpit. So I can sheet in somewhat just by pulling thru them. But can't release them from across cockpit in most cases. And it's still not optimal, and better one side than the other due to winch rotation being same on both sides so the line comes off winch to cam at a better angle one side. I know a guy with a Wharram Tiki 21 who actually set up his jib sheets to run to the windward side - that is, the active sheet is led via a few blocks cross-deck to the windward side. A bit easier to do without it getting in the way, on a cat. Basically jibs are a PITA. I am not having one on any other boats I may build or acquire...balanced lug, cat yawl, etc. The jib drive power on an M17 is awesome but the big jib is a pain to tack, and I mostly sail lakes with shifty winds so there is a fair bit of tacking and just trimming. cheers, John On 10/12/19 1:20 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > John, > > I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the sheet > easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan RF58 > cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a > swivel block. > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 > > I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 > because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. > > The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line > > If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP > for 5% off. > > Henry > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > >> Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet >> block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something >> to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen >> from other mfgs. >> >> cheers, >> John >> >> On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >>> Also check >>> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >>> >>> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >>> >>> Henry >>> Monita >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely >> does >>>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my >> little >>>> plastic boat. >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat >> stores, >>>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>>> Steve >>>>> M-15 # 335 >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>>> >>>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>>> >>>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>>> split >>>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>>> >>>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:41:20 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <B3EED233-CF05-47E7-8FB6-BEEDF9C675F1(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That is one reason I am building the SCAMP. Obviously a dinghy compared with an M17. But I am hopeful for the ease of rigging with a light non-stayed mast, and one simple sail without the jib. We shall see. Daniel Rich > On Oct 12, 2019, at 4:17 PM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > Exactly...trimming the jib sheets more quickly easily safely. Needs to be done a lot in swirly wind lake sailing. > > Unfortunately they also add at least one more place the released jib sheet can hang up when tacking... > > Why did you replace the bullseye with a swivel block? > Do you have a pic? > > I re-positioned the oversize cam cleats some prior owner had put on my M17 so that they are fairly close behind the winches and angle partially into the cockpit. So I can sheet in somewhat just by pulling thru them. But can't release them from across cockpit in most cases. > And it's still not optimal, and better one side than the other due to winch rotation being same on both sides so the line comes off winch to cam at a better angle one side. > > I know a guy with a Wharram Tiki 21 who actually set up his jib sheets to run to the windward side - that is, the active sheet is led via a few blocks cross-deck to the windward side. A bit easier to do without it getting in the way, on a cat. > > Basically jibs are a PITA. I am not having one on any other boats I may build or acquire...balanced lug, cat yawl, etc. > > The jib drive power on an M17 is awesome but the big jib is a pain to tack, and I mostly sail lakes with shifty winds so there is a fair bit of tacking and just trimming. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 1:20 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >> John, >> I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the sheet >> easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan RF58 >> cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a >> swivel block. >> https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 >> I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 >> https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 >> because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. >> The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. >> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line >> If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP >> for 5% off. >> Henry >> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >>> Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet >>> block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something >>> to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen >>> from other mfgs. >>> >>> cheers, >>> John >>> >>> On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: >>>> Also check >>>> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 >>>> >>>> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! >>>> >>>> Henry >>>> Monita >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely >>> does >>>>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch it >>>>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is the >>>>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real >>>>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my >>> little >>>>> plastic boat. >>>>> Ed >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help you. >>>>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as close a >>>>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat >>> stores, >>>>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> M-15 # 335 >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith >>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM >>>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello fellow sailors! >>>>>> >>>>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one >>>>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing >>>>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to >>>>> split >>>>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any suggestions for a new one? >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >>> >>> -- >> Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 21:57:20 -0500 From: Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm Message-ID: <CAMKG1hJspd-7votVHVkrcFmO6KMy8-3SLuP58R4qannpJRnjpQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I know what you mean about swirly wind lake sailing. Small bays mean tacking every few minutes. And the convoluted shorelines bend the wind in different directions every few hundred yards. I replaced the bullseye on the swivel cleat with a block with the idea of reducing friction for when I choose not to use the winches, which is most of the time. I already had the blocks and eye straps on hand so I figured I had nothing to lose. I?m not sure if it makes any real difference other than in my head. The cage type fairleads on the cleat are a bit overkill too since the cam itself swivels to line up with the direction of pull. Again, stuff I had on hand from Chiquita. https://nautos-usa.com/products/91185-fairlead-for-big-cam-cleat-91025-or-91 035 I?ll be replacing them with either the original Ronstan fairleads or simple eye straps like these. https://nautos-usa.com/collections/cam-cleats-fairleads/products/91056-fairl ead-for-cam-plastic-green-for-big-cam-cleat-2-pieces-set I added a pair of aluminum Clamcleats on wedge risers a bit aft of the swivel cams since this picture was taken. I use them as sheet anchors for my drifter sheets, bypassing the swivel cams. I almost never use the winches while singlehanding with the jib or Genoa or even the storm jib. Just trim and release from the high side. If the wind is strong enough to require the extra power I take it as a sign that I have too much sail up. I sailed my VN23 cutter for many decades without sheet winches. I do use the winches with the drifter, hence the clamcleats. The drifter has its own sheets. I think Gary O has a cross sheeting setup on his M17 using turning blocks to cabin top winches. Gary? Henry On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 6:18 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > Exactly...trimming the jib sheets more quickly easily safely. Needs to > be done a lot in swirly wind lake sailing. > > Unfortunately they also add at least one more place the released jib > sheet can hang up when tacking... > > Why did you replace the bullseye with a swivel block? > Do you have a pic? > > I re-positioned the oversize cam cleats some prior owner had put on my > M17 so that they are fairly close behind the winches and angle partially > into the cockpit. So I can sheet in somewhat just by pulling thru them. > But can't release them from across cockpit in most cases. > And it's still not optimal, and better one side than the other due to > winch rotation being same on both sides so the line comes off winch to > cam at a better angle one side. > > I know a guy with a Wharram Tiki 21 who actually set up his jib sheets > to run to the windward side - that is, the active sheet is led via a few > blocks cross-deck to the windward side. A bit easier to do without it > getting in the way, on a cat. > > Basically jibs are a PITA. I am not having one on any other boats I may > build or acquire...balanced lug, cat yawl, etc. > > The jib drive power on an M17 is awesome but the big jib is a pain to > tack, and I mostly sail lakes with shifty winds so there is a fair bit > of tacking and just trimming. > > cheers, > John > > On 10/12/19 1:20 PM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > > John, > > > > I like swivel cams for the jib sheets because you can cross trim the > sheet > > easily from the windward side. I?m currently using a pair of Ronstan > RF58 > > cams with the bullseye removed and replaced with an eye strap holding a > > swivel block. > > > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--medium-bulls-eye-fairlead-cleat-for- 5-32-1-2-rope--545061 > > > > I would prefer to use the Ronstan RF60 > > > https://www.westmarine.com/buy/ronstan--ultimate-swivel-cam-base--3734183 > > because of the ball bearing base but the price is a killer. > > > > The Nautos HT-4967 looks promising. > > > https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1/products/ht4967-swivel-bas e-jib-sheets-5-32-quot-to-3-8-quot-line > > > > If you do order anything from Nautos you can use discount code NAUTOSVIP > > for 5% off. > > > > Henry > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:09 PM John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > > > >> Thanks for this source Henry...they have some swivel base jib sheet > >> block/cleat combos that are not bank-breakers. I'm looking for something > >> to improve my jib sheet handling, they have some options I haven't seen > >> from other mfgs. > >> > >> cheers, > >> John > >> > >> On 10/12/19 8:19 AM, Henry Rodriguez wrote: > >>> Also check > >>> https://nautos-usa.com/collections/swivel-bases-1 > >>> > >>> Similar quality, better prices, and the block is included! > >>> > >>> Henry > >>> Monita > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:23 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well worth shopping online, these are pricey. West Marine most likely > >> does > >>>> have sub assemblies if you want to rebuild it. At least you can touch > it > >>>> and see it before you buy ( if you have one close). Sometimes WM is > the > >>>> last resort. I?m old enough to remember the smell of tar in real > >>>> chandlerys. Now, the smell of polyethylene and nylon...but I love my > >> little > >>>> plastic boat. > >>>> Ed > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 2:35 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> If you can find a local chandlery, maybe they will be able to help > you. > >>>> I will suggest taking your broken block into the store to get as > close a > >>>> match as you can find. Much as I try to avoid the big box of boat > >> stores, > >>>> West Marine, they do carry an assortment of blocks. > >>>>> Steve > >>>>> M-15 # 335 > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Smith > >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:10 PM > >>>>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello fellow sailors! > >>>>> > >>>>> I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current > one > >>>>> attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the > bearing > >>>>> housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to > >>>> split > >>>>> again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. > >>>>> > >>>>> Any suggestions for a new one? > >>>>> > >>>>> Many thanks for your collective expertise! > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> -- > >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > >> -------------------------------------------- > >> - Eco-Living - > >> Whole Systems Design Services > >> People - Place - Learning - Integration > >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > >> http://eco-living.net > >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >> > >> -- > > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

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need new mainsheet ratchet block & cam arm
by Chris Smith 15 Oct '19

15 Oct '19

Hello fellow sailors! I have an older m15 that needs a new mainsheet block. The current one attaches to the step in front of the cabin (as most do) but the bearing housing has split. I epoxied it back together but it has started to split again. It still works, but it sure makes me nervous in a blow. Any suggestions for a new one? Many thanks for your collective expertise! Chris

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Take me off of this list
by Doug 9326 14 Oct '19

14 Oct '19

I sold my M-15 and would like to be removed from this emailing list. Please unsubscribe me or tell me how to do that. Thanks Doug Boudinot Doug Michaels

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M15 #616 for sale year 2002
by Karen & Smiley 11 Oct '19

11 Oct '19

I hate doing this but I need to make more room to go RV'ing soon. The M15 which has EVERYTHING you need to go sailing without any fuss. The list is too great but will be happy to e mail you what the boat comes with. Price is $8700 and boat is located right now at my marina in Pasadena MD. Feel free to reach out. Thanks Smiley Karen & Smiley Magoo252(a)comcast.net <mailto:Magoo252@comcast.net>

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