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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Anchoring stowage
by Peter Kick 01 Feb '19

01 Feb '19

Does anybody have any thoughts on foredeck anchor stowage and modification/ improvement for easy fast safe deployment? My M17 has only a 5 dollar nylon cleat that I can move with my hand ( having tightened everything thoroughly). This set up fails to reflect the boat’s intended use. And it makes me nervous! Thanks Pete S/V Bird Girl Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Peter Kick <peterkick(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Hey Randy, > What was the self steering arrangement he used? Seems to me he said he didn’t have one — but I’d love to know because I want one too! > Thanks > Pete > SV Bird Girl > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 27, 2019, at 2:17 PM, Randy Sommerfeld <sommerfeldrandy(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> That’s a pretty awesome book, I read it last month. My next goal is to do the self steering set up that is in the book. >> Randy >> M-17 No Worries >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Steve Trapp >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:52 PM >> To: Peter Zimowsky; For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Post Angeles-Victoria crossing >> >> Peter, >> Read the book, A Little Breeze to the West, about an M-15 sailing from >> San Diego to Hawaii. >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats >> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 9:02 AM >> To: Dave Scobie >> Cc: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Post Angeles-Victoria crossing >> >> Wow Dave: >> Incredible info. Thanks. I will be going with a group of sailboats from the >> Southern Idaho Sailing Association as we have done for the past two years in >> August when we launched from Anacortes and looped the SJ islands. >> This year folks want to hit more Canadian harbors and it sounds like fun. >> However, as cautious as I am, I’m leery of the crossing from Port Angeles >> and Victoria. Looks like about 22 miles or so. >> Even though I’ve crossed over from Sucia to Pember without any problems, I >> think this crossing might be out of my ability level. >> I know I don’t give the M15 it’s do, but I seem to always doubt myself. >> Thanks again, appreciate it. >> >> >> Pete Winter Sky >> (Zimowsky) >> >> outdoors writer and photographer >> www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> >> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors >> >> >> "Be with Tahlequah" >> Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of >> 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues >> to the world to help us save your Orca family. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Peter: >>> >>> The things to know about crossing the Juan de Fuca Straits - >>> >>> #1 understand the wind pattern - late spring, summer and early fall >>> lightest winds are morning to early afternoon. wind builds from the west >>> and likely a SCA to gale in the mid-afternoon through nightfall. In >>> general if it is blowing in the morning don't go. some of the worse winds >>> are in the Race Rocks area. In a westerly once north of this area headed >>> the final way to the Victoria Harbour entrance you starting getting into >>> the lee of Vancouver Island. winds are usually lighter east of the >>> 'constriction' between Race Rocks and the WA coast. >>> >>> review forecasts the days prior to see how the weather is cycling and the >>> difference between what was predicted and actually happened. >>> >>> Weather forecasts from NOAA are in three zones for the Strait: west, >>> central and east. the US reports to read/listen are central and east - >>> >>> central - >>> https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=PZZ131#.XE3J5VVKiUk >>> <https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=PZZ131#.XE3J5VVKiUk> >>> east - https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=pzz132#.XE3JfFVKiUk >>> <https://marine.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=pzz132#.XE3JfFVKiUk> >>> >>> >>> the Canadian forecasts use slightly different zone names. East in CN >>> forecasts are the waters north of the NOAA central area - >>> >>> https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=07003 >>> <https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=07003> >>> >>> >>> the Haro Strait CN forecast helps understand what is happening on the NW >>> 'side' of NOAAs East Strait forecast - >>> >>> https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=06100 >>> <https://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=02&siteID=06100> >>> >>> >>> further reading that assists one understand the wind's behaviors along the >>> entire Salish Sea - >>> >>> 'Taken By the Wind: The Northwest Coast: A Guide to Sailing the Coasts of >>> British Columbia and Southeast Alaska' by Marilyn Johnson ( >>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1532895666/ >>> <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1532895666/> ) >>> >>> >>> #2 fog: calm winds and warm air means fog. usually this comes up >>> overnight or just as the sun rises. if there is no wind it may never >>> clear. Spring and Fall are the worse fog 'seasons'. >>> >>> #3 wind against current: if there is a strong west wind against the ebb >>> tide the Strait can get UGLY. same can be said for a flood tide against >>> the rare late spring, summer and early fall easterly blow. FYI - August >>> is commonly called FOGust. >>> >>> #4 BIG SHIPS GOING FAST. keep an eye out for these ;-) you can listen to >>> VHF channel 5A as large ships will report. you can also let Vessel >>> Traffic know you are in the area if fog and/or heavy winds. >>> >>> The crossing is doable and has been done, many times, by M15s. During the >>> first run of the Race to Alaska (R2AK 2015) a M15 took part in Sage 1 >>> (Port Townsend to Victoria). The day started winds 20-25kts and seas >>> 2-5'. The dayswas different in the winds moderated - not at all normal. >>> The team crossed with no issues ... and when they arrived i checked their >>> rig: it was way to loose. as it wasn't lost shows you how Jerry >>> overdesinged the rig! >>> >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ >>> <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> FOR SALE! >>> :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com <https://sv-swallow.com/> >>> :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 >>> :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ >>> <https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/> >>> :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ >>> <https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/> >>> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred >>> <http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:57 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: >>> Hi all: >>> Planning my cruise in the San Juans and Canada for August. Wondering about >>> launching at Port Angeles and crossing over to Victoria in my M15. Been on >>> several cruises in the SJs but never on this larger open water. Any >>> warnings, advice, suggestions. >>> Thanks all, >>> >>> >>> Pete Winter Sky >>> (Zimowsky) >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> >>> <x-msg://7/#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> >> >

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Re: M_Boats: Storm Jib
by Josh ua 31 Jan '19

31 Jan '19

I took my m15 out on a small lake I know well when winds were projected to be 30mph gusts to 45mph-not knots. We left the dock under double reefed main. I had taken nearly everything out of the boat in preparation for possible capsize. That turned out to be a mistake as the boat handles MUCH better with a little ballast. In this lightweight condition we found that we could make no progress upwind under main alone. Probably because i dont know what im doing. We dropped a fishing anchor and led it to the front cleat and hanked on the storm jib. Upside down first then right side up. We were slowly dragging anchor through the process that took maybe 4 minutes. We pulled in the anchor pulled in the main sheet and had an exciting day on and off the wind. Slow going upwind but under control at all times. There were no seas to contend with to speak of so that makes all the difference im sure but we had no trouble hanking-unhanking-and hanking again in what I consider quite a blow.

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Re: M_Boats: Storm jib
by casioqv＠usermail.com 28 Jan '19

28 Jan '19

It works, but the boat still moves a knot or two, and oscillates a bit. It's not as stable as with a backwinded jib. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rusty Knorr" <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com> To: "casioqv" <casioqv(a)usermail.com> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 9:22:51 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Storm jib Thanks, Tyler. I’ve always heard the M-15 won’t heave to under just the main, but you found it to work ok? www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > On Jan 28, 2019, at 8:33 AM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > > I've hanked on a storm jib in my M15 in 25-30 knots, and it went fine. I found it helpful to first double reef the main, and then get into a hove-to under main alone position, as described in the Pardey's book 'Storm Tactics.' Basically this means the bow 45 degrees to the wind, and the tiller lashed slightly to leeward so the boat stays balanced at this angle to the wind. The boat will heel slightly to the lee side, which gives the stability you need to go to the bow on the windward side. I'm a big guy, but the boat still lists to leeward with my weight all the way over on the windward side under these conditions. I highly recommend a tether and jacklines while doing this. The stainless steel carabiner style hanks that can be used with one hand make it a lot easier also. > > In my opinion, sailing an M15 with the main alone in very strong winds isn't a good idea, because weather helm will make the boat very exhausting to control, and you will be unable to go upwind. Motoring doesn't really work in rough conditions either, since the prop will repeatedly come out of the water unless you get it so low that you risk swamping it. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:34:08 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Storm jib > > Hi all, > > On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat? > > Thoughts? > > Rusty > M-15 “Vanilla” > Duckpunt “The Donkey” --

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Storm jib
by Rusty Knorr 28 Jan '19

28 Jan '19

Hi all, On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat? Thoughts? Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”

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Fw: M-17 Roller Furling
by Kevin Sandwick 27 Jan '19

27 Jan '19

________________________________ From: Kevin Sandwick Time to open a can of worms. On the fence over two new head sails or roller furling for my M-17. Not a kid anymore and I sail 95 % single handed. 1985 model. Currently 105 % headsail with single reef in main. Thinking of adding a 80% and a 135% or a 135 on CDI furller. Asymmetrical spinnaker is on the list for down the road a bit. Is the CDI the go to furller? Appreciate any feedback, This is a tough decision for me. I tried to access searchable archives with no luck. Thanks Kevin Hull #400

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Puget Sound cruising fleet
by Rusty Knorr 27 Jan '19

27 Jan '19

So Steve....about that....😇 I heard that the Montgomery owners group is not really doing owners group cruises in Puget Sound any more. Is that because the group has been more or less rolled up into the Potter Yachters? I really want to do as many group sails as possible, I think it’s so much more fun sailing with a group, and I’m hoping to see a lot of Montys on the water. I’m signed up for the Salish 100, and will do the Palooza Crooza, but I’m hoping for more group sails throughout the summer. Maybe we need to resurrect the owners group cruise? Looking forward to this summer! Rusty Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 13:26:16 -0800 > From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> > To: "Rusty Knorr" <rustyinafrica(a)yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery > Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: New purchase > Message-ID: <91B90861C32D40828FCF937E7527AB77@HPPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Weclome to Puget Sound, there is a fleet of us with M-15s on the sound. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > South Puget Sound >

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Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
by Gary Oberbeck 25 Jan '19

25 Jan '19

Sam,The clew should be attached to the boom by the outhaul and a strap or piece of line around the boom or a sail slug at the clew itself.The sails are what powers your boat-their efficiency is dependent upon their shape and your proper setting and trim. If you value your sails ability to power the boat at it’s highest level - take them off the boom and roll them/store rolled in ‘sausage style bag’ indoors for maximum shape. If that is a PIA, store them however is easy,fast,convenient ,and expect your sails to have a shorter effective life-sails can ‘look great’ -clean with no stains or tears,all seams intact, and be WORN OUT by virtue of becoming misshapen. Support your local sailmaker (really) I believe they will tell you similar recommendations.Ultimately it is what works for you. Well cared for sails increase resale value.Yes-it is bad form to store a sail rolled onto a spar and carried that way in transit (chafe) but plenty of people do it.Many folk subscribe to - ‘it has three corners, it works as a sail’ others buy new sails every season, extremes both!Just my opinion - I have two+ suits- one for racing the others for everything else.My race sails help the boat sail fast and well.It is also rewarding to have a ‘well behaved’ and good performing boat due to excellent sails in very good condition, my opinion and worth at least 2 cents!Have fUn, go sailing! Gary Oberbeck gilasailr(a)aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 05:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions Hi All, Catching up on this loose-footed sail discussion: if you have a sail with a boltrope on the foot, is there any reason why you couldn't rig it loose footed? Is there some important component of the sail that will be missing if it was manufactured with a bolt rope? On an M15, should the clew be attached more securely to the boom (e.g. strap or something), or will the outhaul be enough when rigging loose footed? Finally, someone mentioned bending on the sails each time the boat is set up. I've left my main on the boom since I bought the boat (the sail is ancient maybe the original, so I'm not much concerned with damaging it, and it makes for faster set up times). Is this considered "bad form" for sail longevity? Is there any reason to remove the sail after each time out, especially for a new sail? Thanks, Sam M15 #272 On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > We do all our Sails loose footed main for the 15, 16 and 17. Including our > NorSea 27. > > Much better sail shape. > > Bob > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 2:36 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Much contriversy if you do a goggle search. > > > > I went to loose footed on my Pearson 23 and again on my M15. have been > > satisfied for all of the reasons stated above. > > George > > "We Can Not Control the Wind > > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > >> Mark, > >> Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. > >> Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail. > - > >> tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less > >> potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY > - > >> not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent > bending on > >> the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew > and > >> drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or > sailslot.Disadvantage- > >> Can't think of one. > >> GO > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats < > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions > >> > >> Hi Mark, > >> We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 > >> performs better with a loose footed main. > >> sal > >> Sage Marine > >> In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, > >> mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com writes: > >> > >> Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. > >> I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. > >> Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages > >> anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith > >>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: > >>> I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed > >> to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original > >> Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 > PM> > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 > >> halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about > >> 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any > >> problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org > >> wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the > >> main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > > -----Original > >> Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 > 7:27 > >> PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 > >> halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on > the > >> M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm > >> thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> > >> > > >> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com > wrote:> > >>>>>> Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment > >> you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you > will > >> encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried > >> three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a > small > >> Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, > rocky > >> bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain > and > >> a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just > a > >> 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each > end.> > >>>>>>> If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide > >> range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep > the > >> horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender > board. > >> You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of > the > >> fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub > against > >> barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from > damage.> > >>>>>>> Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; > >> the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 > >> is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video > >> showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the > >> other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a > line > >> that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The > >> retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you > >> pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, > or > >> go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On > >> 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us > the > >> LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary > >> Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > >>>>> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > > > >> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake > Pleasant > >> AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > > >> > >>>>> I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326(a)gmail.com>> > > >>>> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > > >> Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov > >> 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter > >> Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > > >> Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > > > >> closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary > Oberbeck > >> via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > -----Original > >> Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: > >> PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > > >> Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov > >> 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter > >> Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > > >> > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a > chainsaw > >> to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be > good > >> to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > > >> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November > >> 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery > >> Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter > Messabout ( > >> replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi > Gary,> > > >>>>>>>>>> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for > >> fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be > >> ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary > >> Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> < > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake > >> Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, < > >> jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; > >> probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on > >> all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, > >> January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: > >> M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size > >> was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave > and > >> I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On > >> Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com wrote:>> > > > >> Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need > on > >> board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will > encounter.> > >>>>> From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a > >> small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I > >> found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with > the > >> Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long > rode.> > >>>>> Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" > long,> > >>> longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie > up > >> to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that > the > >> boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the > >> piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust > >> their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender > >> board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, > >> but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long > >> surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / > >> power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF > >> CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > > >> anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > > >> ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water > for> > > >> safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so > in> > > >> the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > > >> can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > > On > >> 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the > >> LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck > via > >> montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: > >> montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, > >> Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter > >> Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll > take > >> it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > > -----Original > >> Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326(a)gmail.com>> > > To: Gary > Oberbeck< > >> gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 > 1:11 > >> pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( > >> replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How > >> about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > > >> > >>>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which > tree??> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry< > >> jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com > >; > >> For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 > >> 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( > >> replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going > to > >> have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> > Dynamite > >> is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > > >> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via > montgomery_boats> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For > >> and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake > Pleasant AZ > >> Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > > > >>>> Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, > >> sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps > will > >> be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary > >> Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> < > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake > >> Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>> > >> > >

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Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
by Gary Oberbeck 24 Jan '19

24 Jan '19

Peter, Be sure to leave clearance at the vang mast bail to clear the step and or hatch - check three times - attach once! go -----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: peterkick <peterkick(a)aol.com>; montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 24, 2019 3:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions Peter, Place your vang attachment as low as you reasonably can on the mast and set the boom bail or attachment so it is at as close to a 45 degree angle from the boom to the mast - if you install a boomkicker - place it inside the vang triangle. Yes, your roach will probably hit the backstay - no biggie, if you are concerned you can use vinyl coated wire at the upper section of the backstay. (my boat has a full top batten and the mast now has a backstay flicker to aid in tacking) E-P sails are an excellent choice for the sails. Cant tell you if your boat is NorSea or not - Jerry's boats typically had the bow chainplate very close to the forward end of the deck - Norsea are typically back about 5" Enjoy - have fun,GO -----Original Message----- From: Peter Kick via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Jan 24, 2019 4:48 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions Hi everybody, Noob here. From Maine. Currently in my new M17 (bird girl, formerly sea bear- either of those sound familiar?) Bird Girl is a 2001, niiice boat. I’m sailing in the Keys. Just in from the Marquesas— rain coming. Hope I don’t drive you crazy— lots of questions Q: is this a nor’sea boat? Q: mainsail has a bit more roach than the triangle can handle, so the sail sweeps against the backstay. Normal? (Elliott Pattison sails). Q: badly need a vang since the boom has to be totally flAt in order for it not to hit the backstay on a tack or a jibe... Can anyone suggest Correct spot for placement of a bail on the boom? Any an all comments most eagerly anticipated — Thanks Pete Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2019, at 1:40 AM, Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Gary and John, > > My M15 came rigged with slab reefing. I think it works quite well, and as > far as I can tell, is comparable to the video John sent for holding the > sail in the proper orientation to the boom when reefed. I just got a new > main sail, set up with a bolt rope (same as the old one was). It sounds > like I'm better off not using it loose footed, so I guess the question > about how to appropriately attach the clew is sort of moot. > > Happy sailing (or waiting for the snow to melt as the case may be), > > Sam > > M15 #272 > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:17 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> Sam,The clew should be attached to the boom by the outhaul and a strap or >> piece of line around the boom or a sail slug at the clew itself.The sails >> are what powers your boat-their efficiency is dependent upon their shape >> and your proper setting and trim. If you value your sails ability to power >> the boat at it’s highest level - take them off the boom and roll them/store >> rolled in ‘sausage style bag’ indoors for maximum shape. If that is a PIA, >> store them however is easy,fast,convenient ,and expect your sails to have a >> shorter effective life-sails can ‘look great’ -clean with no stains or >> tears,all seams intact, and be WORN OUT by virtue of becoming misshapen. >> Support your local sailmaker (really) I believe they will tell you similar >> recommendations.Ultimately it is what works for you. Well cared for sails >> increase resale value.Yes-it is bad form to store a sail rolled onto a spar >> and carried that way in transit (chafe) but plenty of people do it.Many >> folk subscribe to - ‘it has three corners, it works as a sail’ others buy >> new sails every season, extremes both!Just my opinion - I have two+ suits- >> one for racing the others for everything else.My race sails help the boat >> sail fast and well.It is also rewarding to have a ‘well behaved’ and good >> performing boat due to excellent sails in very good condition, my opinion >> and worth at least 2 cents!Have fUn, go sailing! >> >> Gary Oberbeck gilasailr(a)aol.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sam <shunter(a)gmail.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Mon, Jan 21, 2019 05:53 PM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> Catching up on this loose-footed sail discussion: if you have a sail with a >> boltrope on the foot, is there any reason why you couldn't rig it loose >> footed? Is there some important component of the sail that will be missing >> if it was manufactured with a bolt rope? On an M15, should the clew be >> attached more securely to the boom (e.g. strap or something), or will the >> outhaul be enough when rigging loose footed? >> >> Finally, someone mentioned bending on the sails each time the boat is set >> up. I've left my main on the boom since I bought the boat (the sail is >> ancient maybe the original, so I'm not much concerned with damaging it, and >> it makes for faster set up times). Is this considered "bad form" for sail >> longevity? Is there any reason to remove the sail after each time out, >> especially for a new sail? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sam >> M15 #272 >> >> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> We do all our Sails loose footed main for the 15, 16 and 17. Including >> our >>> NorSea 27. >>> >>> Much better sail shape. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 12, 2019, at 2:36 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Much contriversy if you do a goggle search. >>>> >>>> I went to loose footed on my Pearson 23 and again on my M15. have been >>>> satisfied for all of the reasons stated above. >>>> George >>>> "We Can Not Control the Wind >>>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mark, >>>>> Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. >>>>> Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail. >>> - >>>>> tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less >>>>> potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail >> ONLY >>> - >>>>> not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent >>> bending on >>>>> the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release >> clew >>> and >>>>> drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or >>> sailslot.Disadvantage- >>>>> Can't think of one. >>>>> GO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats < >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm >>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>> We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore >> 24 >>>>> performs better with a loose footed main. >>>>> sal >>>>> Sage Marine >>>>> In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, >>>>> mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com writes: >>>>> >>>>> Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. >>>>> I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. >>>>> Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages >>>>> anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith >>>>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: >>>>>> I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is >> needed >>>>> to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original >>>>> Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 >>> PM> >>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 >>>>> halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be >> about >>>>> 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any >>>>> problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >>>>> wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on >> the >>>>> main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > >>> -----Original >>>>> Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 >>> 7:27 >>>>> PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 >>>>> halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on >>> the >>>>> M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm >>>>> thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com >>> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment >>>>> you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you >>> will >>>>> encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried >>>>> three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a >>> small >>>>> Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, >>> rocky >>>>> bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of >> chain >>> and >>>>> a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is >> just >>> a >>>>> 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each >>> end.> >>>>>>>>>> If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide >>>>> range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep >>> the >>>>> horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender >>> board. >>>>> You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of >>> the >>>>> fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub >>> against >>>>> barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from >>> damage.> >>>>>>>>>> Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; >>>>> the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the >> M15/M17 >>>>> is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video >>>>> showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water >> the >>>>> other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a >>> line >>>>> that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. >> The >>>>> retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning >> you >>>>> pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, >>> or >>>>> go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > >> On >>>>> 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us >>> the >>>>> LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary >>>>> Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> >>>>>>>> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > > >>>>> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake >>> Pleasant >>>>> AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326(a)gmail.com>> >>> >>>>>>> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > >>>>> Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, >> Nov >>>>> 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter >>>>> Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > >>>>> Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> >>> >>>> >>>>> closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary >>> Oberbeck >>>>> via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> >>> -----Original >>>>> Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> >> To: >>>>> PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > >>>>> Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, >> Nov >>>>> 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ >> Winter >>>>> Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >>>> >>>>> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >>>>> >>>>> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a >>> chainsaw >>>>> to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be >>> good >>>>> to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > >>> >>>>> >>>>> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, >> November >>>>> 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery >>>>> Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter >>> Messabout ( >>>>> replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi >>> Gary,> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for >>>>> fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be >>>>> ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary >>>>> Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> < >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake >>>>> Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, < >>>>> jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced >> halyards; >>>>> probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on >>>>> all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, >>>>> January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> >>> Subject: >>>>> M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line >> size >>>>> was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave >>> and >>>>> I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> >> On >>>>> Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com >> wrote:>> >>>> >>>>> Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you >> need >>> on >>>>> board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will >>> encounter.> >>>>>>>> From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a >>>>> small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I >>>>> found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with >>> the >>>>> Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long >>> rode.> >>>>>>>> Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" >>> long,> >>>>>> longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie >>> up >>>>> to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that >>> the >>>>> boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the >>>>> piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; >> adjust >>>>> their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender >>>>> board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > >>> replaceable;, >>>>> but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long >>>>> surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / >>>>> power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > >> OFF >>>>> CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> >>> >>>>> anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can >> get> >>>> >>>>> ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water >>> for> > >>>>> safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so >>> in> > >>>>> the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that >> you> >>>> >>>>> can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > >>> On >>>>> 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us >> the >>>>> LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary >> Oberbeck >>> via >>>>> montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: >>>>> montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: >> Thu, >>>>> Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ >> Winter >>>>> Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll >>> take >>>>> it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > >>> -----Original >>>>> Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326(a)gmail.com>> > > To: Gary >>> Oberbeck< >>>>> gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 >>> 1:11 >>>>> pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( >>>>> replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How >>>>> about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> >>> >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which >>> tree??> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry< >>>>> jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN< >> pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com >>>> ; >>>>> For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 >>>>> 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter >> Messabout ( >>>>> replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going >>> to >>>>> have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> >>> Dynamite >>>>> is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> >>>>>> >>>>> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via >>> montgomery_boats> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; >> For >>>>> and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake >>> Pleasant AZ >>>>> Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, >>>>> sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps >>> will >>>>> be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary >>>>> Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> < >>>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake >>>>> Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>

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Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
by salglesser＠aol.com 22 Jan '19

22 Jan '19

Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com writes: Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: > I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com wrote:> >> > > Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> > >> > > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> > >> > > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326(a)gmail.com>> > > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> > > >>> > > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com wrote:>> > Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> >> > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> >> > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326(a)gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr(a)aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > >> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??> > >>> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry<jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen(a)mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>

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