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Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
by Doug 14 Aug '22

14 Aug '22

New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15. ⁣Sent from BlueMail

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Wrinkle Boat Spotted in Italy
by swwheatley＠comcast.net 26 Sep '18

26 Sep '18

Thought this list might enjoy the attached photos of a wrinkle boat I spotted last week in Italy. All I can tell you is it is fiberglass. Not as pretty as a Montgomery, but not bad.

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Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
by Dave Scobie 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout > of foam to buy? > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > >

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Flotation
by Jon Barber 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

I sail an M17 without flotation. I close the boat up and dog down hatches in heavy weather. My boat will come back up and I think an M15 would too. Keep the water out! I thought about making the entire v berth bilge area a flotation chamber by sealing it off from the cabin and installing water tight hatch covers. At least it would float bow up in case of a swamping. On Thu, Sep 13, 2018, 11:01 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: floatation foam (msminchome(a)aol.com) > 2. Re: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th (Lawrence Winiarski) > 3. Re: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th (John Schinnerer) > 4. Re: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th (Mark Dvorscak) > 5. Re: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th (Michael Mann) > 6. Re: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th (Lawrence Winiarski) > 7. Re: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th (Lawrence Winiarski) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:32:31 -0400 > From: msminchome(a)aol.com > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam > Message-ID: <165cf4550ac-1ebc-e2a(a)webjas-vae245.srv.aolmail.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I have filled the locker under the v berth of my M15 with empty 2 liter > coke bottles. I have also installed latches on the cockpit lockers and > they are always latched and secured with a snap lock. I have the factory > installed foam under the cockpit. When the weather gets rough, I put my > hatchboards in place and secure them with the latch. My thinking is the > air in the cabin will keep the boat afloat long enough for me to get on the > keel and right the boat. I also sail my M15 as if I were sailing a dinghy, > one hand on the tiller and one on the main sheet. I am normally in areas > where there are no other boats and miles from land. I always wear a PFD > have a PLB on a tether in my pocket and recently added a PFD with harness > and a short tether to keep me onboard. If the boat floats, great. If not, > I am still going to probably survive until the Coast Guard arrives. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 Steve Trapp < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I disagree, having been a past volunteer on Harbor Patrol and having had > to > haul dead bodies out of boats that did not float, I would not take my M-15 > out of the boat slip with adequate floatation from foam blocks or other > flotation. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Scobie > Sent: M > > onday, September 10, 2018 2:07 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam > > Tyler (and others following along): > > > foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only > > A boat such as a M15 is under no legal requirement to have positive > flotation. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 1:52 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > > > I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes > only, > > but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be > > permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float > > out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually > > floating > > it? > > > > To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable > > buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one > > and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus > > it > > will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or > > foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat. > > > > Sincerely, > > Tyler > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about > > Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam > > > > Bonnie. > > > > You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will > > sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small > > pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. > > > > Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. > > > > Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than > > the foam! > > > > Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a > > polystyrene block this method may be cheaper > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or > > amout > > > of foam to buy? > > > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:31:50 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > Message-ID: <2013420602.4429780.1536787910957(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ?Hi John, > I'd like to get some sailing in too.?? I hope to catch up with you.??? > > > FYI...The corp of engineers is changing the outflow as of a few days ago > which will result in the water levels going down earlier this year, so > peoplewho want to sail fern ridge need to get cracking early, > > Normally they start draining at 4"/day in Oct, but this year they started > at 1"/day Sep 10 for increased outflow in the Willamette, which IMHO > resulted in > a good deal of confusion and panic.??? > > Levels are going down earlier, but at a slow rate.???? I think about 6' > deep at the marina right now > > Larry503-380-2235 > > > > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:11 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > > Hi all, > > I will have my M-17 #38 "Pajarita" at Fern Ridge reservoir near Eugene, > OR, going up there this Saturday the 15th and hauling out & returning > home the afternoon of the 20th. I'll be at the Richardson park marina, > "C" dock. > > Anyone in the general vicinity who wants to join in at some point, > either with your boat or for a ride on mine, just let me know. > > E-mail is fine up through Friday, then I'm offline mostly while there so > try calling me at 510-457-5764. > > I'll be sailing on and off most days, "shaking down" & refining some > recent boat modifications, primarily new furling jib, but also improved > mainsail reefing setup, main halyard to cockpit, better downhaul, > "stow-a-way" sail tie system, etc. > > cheers, > John S. > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 17:43:20 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > Message-ID: <03ccb71f-6a2e-6a1b-dc74-3fd53a74011f(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Yeah, the drawdown info is on the Portland district Corps info page, > this news item: > > http://www.nwp.usace.army.mil/news/article/Article/1621438/fern-ridge-reser… > > They are slowly increasing outflows. Will still be around 370 ft. elev. > end of my visit which means 5+ feet in the marina and 5 ft deep at toe > (bottom end) of Richardson ramp...plenty for M-17 needs! > > Hope to see you there, cheers, > John S. > > On 09/12/2018 02:31 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote: > > ?Hi John, > > I'd like to get some sailing in too.?? I hope to catch up with you. > > > > > > FYI...The corp of engineers is changing the outflow as of a few days ago > which will result in the water levels going down earlier this year, so > peoplewho want to sail fern ridge need to get cracking early, > > > > Normally they start draining at 4"/day in Oct, but this year they > started at 1"/day Sep 10 for increased outflow in the Willamette, which > IMHO resulted in > > a good deal of confusion and panic. > > > > Levels are going down earlier, but at a slow rate.???? I think about 6' > deep at the marina right now > > > > Larry503-380-2235 > > > > > > > > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 11:11 AM > > Subject: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > > > > Hi all, > > > > I will have my M-17 #38 "Pajarita" at Fern Ridge reservoir near Eugene, > > OR, going up there this Saturday the 15th and hauling out & returning > > home the afternoon of the 20th. I'll be at the Richardson park marina, > > "C" dock. > > > > Anyone in the general vicinity who wants to join in at some point, > > either with your boat or for a ride on mine, just let me know. > > > > E-mail is fine up through Friday, then I'm offline mostly while there so > > try calling me at 510-457-5764. > > > > I'll be sailing on and off most days, "shaking down" & refining some > > recent boat modifications, primarily new furling jib, but also improved > > mainsail reefing setup, main halyard to cockpit, better downhaul, > > "stow-a-way" sail tie system, etc. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:19:07 -0700 > From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > Message-ID: > < > CAA3iV0+yJ1M6B1iODLJyAge6NwWH-1X3_+pXNbTkWyDezB+sXQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I'd love to meet up with you but I intend to be out on the big pond on > Saturday, and my wife and I already have other plans for Sunday afternoon. > One of these days we'll connect I hope. > Mark Dvorscak > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:10 John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I will have my M-17 #38 "Pajarita" at Fern Ridge reservoir near Eugene, > > OR, going up there this Saturday the 15th and hauling out & returning > > home the afternoon of the 20th. I'll be at the Richardson park marina, > > "C" dock. > > > > Anyone in the general vicinity who wants to join in at some point, > > either with your boat or for a ride on mine, just let me know. > > > > E-mail is fine up through Friday, then I'm offline mostly while there so > > try calling me at 510-457-5764. > > > > I'll be sailing on and off most days, "shaking down" & refining some > > recent boat modifications, primarily new furling jib, but also improved > > mainsail reefing setup, main halyard to cockpit, better downhaul, > > "stow-a-way" sail tie system, etc. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:26:25 +0000 (UTC) > From: Michael Mann <mannatsea88(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > Message-ID: <484891698.4601038.1536812785948(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello John S,?I am Michael and I am living in Eugene right now just 20 > minutes from Richardson Park.? I would love to join you in a little sail on > Saturday if you had room. > Michael? > > > From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > > I'd love to meet up with you but I intend to be out on the big pond on > Saturday, and my wife and I already have other plans for Sunday afternoon. > One of these days we'll connect I hope. > Mark Dvorscak > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:10 John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I will have my M-17 #38 "Pajarita" at Fern Ridge reservoir near Eugene, > > OR, going up there this Saturday the 15th and hauling out & returning > > home the afternoon of the 20th. I'll be at the Richardson park marina, > > "C" dock. > > > > Anyone in the general vicinity who wants to join in at some point, > > either with your boat or for a ride on mine, just let me know. > > > > E-mail is fine up through Friday, then I'm offline mostly while there so > > try calling me at 510-457-5764. > > > > I'll be sailing on and off most days, "shaking down" & refining some > > recent boat modifications, primarily new furling jib, but also improved > > mainsail reefing setup, main halyard to cockpit, better downhaul, > > "stow-a-way" sail tie system, etc. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:43:46 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski(a)yahoo.com> > To: Michael Mann <mannatsea88(a)sbcglobal.net>, For and about > Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>, > For and > about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > Message-ID: <1051946027.4615211.1536813826176(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > The same Michael Mann that went to Hawaii???? Funny I was just at the Fern > Ridge marina with my M15 and mentioned the Hawaii trip.? > > From: Michael Mann <mannatsea88(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:27 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > > Hello John S,?I am Michael and I am living in Eugene right now just 20 > minutes from Richardson Park.? I would love to join you in a little sail on > Saturday if you had room. > Michael? > > > ? ? ? From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > ? > I'd love to meet up with you but I intend to be out on the big pond on > Saturday, and my wife and I already have other plans for Sunday afternoon. > One of these days we'll connect I hope. > Mark Dvorscak > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:10 John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I will have my M-17 #38 "Pajarita" at Fern Ridge reservoir near Eugene, > > OR, going up there this Saturday the 15th and hauling out & returning > > home the afternoon of the 20th. I'll be at the Richardson park marina, > > "C" dock. > > > > Anyone in the general vicinity who wants to join in at some point, > > either with your boat or for a ride on mine, just let me know. > > > > E-mail is fine up through Friday, then I'm offline mostly while there so > > try calling me at 510-457-5764. > > > > I'll be sailing on and off most days, "shaking down" & refining some > > recent boat modifications, primarily new furling jib, but also improved > > mainsail reefing setup, main halyard to cockpit, better downhaul, > > "stow-a-way" sail tie system, etc. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > ? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 04:43:46 +0000 (UTC) > From: Lawrence Winiarski <lawrence_winiarski(a)yahoo.com> > To: Michael Mann <mannatsea88(a)sbcglobal.net>, For and about > Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>, > For and > about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > Message-ID: <1051946027.4615211.1536813826176(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > The same Michael Mann that went to Hawaii???? Funny I was just at the Fern > Ridge marina with my M15 and mentioned the Hawaii trip.? > > From: Michael Mann <mannatsea88(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 9:27 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > > Hello John S,?I am Michael and I am living in Eugene right now just 20 > minutes from Richardson Park.? I would love to join you in a little sail on > Saturday if you had room. > Michael? > > > ? ? ? From: Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th > ? > I'd love to meet up with you but I intend to be out on the big pond on > Saturday, and my wife and I already have other plans for Sunday afternoon. > One of these days we'll connect I hope. > Mark Dvorscak > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 11:10 John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I will have my M-17 #38 "Pajarita" at Fern Ridge reservoir near Eugene, > > OR, going up there this Saturday the 15th and hauling out & returning > > home the afternoon of the 20th. I'll be at the Richardson park marina, > > "C" dock. > > > > Anyone in the general vicinity who wants to join in at some point, > > either with your boat or for a ride on mine, just let me know. > > > > E-mail is fine up through Friday, then I'm offline mostly while there so > > try calling me at 510-457-5764. > > > > I'll be sailing on and off most days, "shaking down" & refining some > > recent boat modifications, primarily new furling jib, but also improved > > mainsail reefing setup, main halyard to cockpit, better downhaul, > > "stow-a-way" sail tie system, etc. > > > > cheers, > > John S. > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > ? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 10 > ************************************************* >

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Fern Ridge sailing trip 15th-20th
by John Schinnerer 13 Sep '18

13 Sep '18

Hi all, I will have my M-17 #38 "Pajarita" at Fern Ridge reservoir near Eugene, OR, going up there this Saturday the 15th and hauling out & returning home the afternoon of the 20th. I'll be at the Richardson park marina, "C" dock. Anyone in the general vicinity who wants to join in at some point, either with your boat or for a ride on mine, just let me know. E-mail is fine up through Friday, then I'm offline mostly while there so try calling me at 510-457-5764. I'll be sailing on and off most days, "shaking down" & refining some recent boat modifications, primarily new furling jib, but also improved mainsail reefing setup, main halyard to cockpit, better downhaul, "stow-a-way" sail tie system, etc. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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The M-photo site appears to be down
by Keith R. Martin 12 Sep '18

12 Sep '18

Not sure if folks know this but the M-Photo site seems to be down... *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. Serenity, M17 #353

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 8
by Randy Watkins 11 Sep '18

11 Sep '18

Hello fellow sailors, I had a pair of flotation bags made up for a M15 we had. This may help someone wanting to add flotation. One in the bow and the other in the stern. I think the capacity was around 1500 or greater capacity. I sent the company the dimensions and they made up the bags. Not inexpensive, but made for the marine heavy industry standards. You inflate them, check them before you go out, that’s about all there was to it. A caution, don’t over inflate them as the can tear the fiberglass apart. They are made to lift sunken items from the sea bed. The two companies were: (bow bag made to size) http://www.subsalve.com/ and stern bag under the deck, here is what I gave the company (Carter) What I need: The area I have to work with is (inflated size) 8-1/2" height 56" length 48" width. flotation capacity with revised sizes: 500 lbs (please confirm) inflation valve , a Halkey-Roberts Valve, with the screw in type cap, is fine. The bag will stay inflated, under the deck, on a permanent basis, I'll check it before sailing to see if needs air. The valve can be located about 6" from the right end and mid way up for access. http://www.carterbag.com My current boat is a 10 ft. Ocean brand kayak. When I found out it used the "air" in the boat for flotation, I filled the hollow spaces with closed cell square swimming pool type " noodle" in the middle and round large noodles on the sides + the "air". I think this kayak will float 500-600 lbs now, little peace of mind in the deep. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Sep 11, 2018 1:01 pm Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 8 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Steve Trapp) 2. Re: floatation foam (casioqv(a)usermail.com) 3. Fwd: Sails discount in case you are looking - I have NO FI in Ullman Sails (Gary Oberbeck) 4. Re: floatation foam (Dave Scobie) 5. Re: floatation foam (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) 6. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org) 7. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Doug) 8. Re: broken forestay mast fitting (Bill Tosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:49:02 -0700 From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <538F9C1C57A844059547DB606473DE63@HPPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Jerry, I taught school in Lowell for about five years, if memory serves, Oakridge was up Hwy 58 a few more miles, towed my M-15 up to Odell Lake a few times. Am sure that was many years after you had finished jr. high. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:45 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill from Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few days later. Take a storm jib! -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is attached to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then captured from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix. About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many boats do as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped fishing boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem with Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so one has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo Lake which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to Odell. People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp (water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer. Doug M-15 Bend, Oregon > On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: > > That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast > and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the > local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave > Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the > bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a > motor free lake, did you have a paddle? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- From: doug > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > > My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or > it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I > need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All > there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > = > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:51:29 -0700 (PDT) From: casioqv(a)usermail.com To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <892595188.16504902.1536612689872.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it? To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout > of foam to buy? > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:01:59 -0400 From: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Fwd: Sails discount in case you are looking - I have NO FI in Ullman Sails Message-ID: <165c54a80db-1ebc-1ef1(a)webjas-vaa240.srv.aolmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 15% and 20% at 2 or more !! Gary Oberbeck -----Original Message----- From: Keith F Magnussen <k.magnussen(a)ullmansails.com> To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2018 11:42 am Subject: Ullman Sails North American Discount View in Browser Gary, Our 2018 North American Discount is here! Save 15% off one sail and 20% off two! Contact me today for a free quote and details on how you can take advantage of our biggest savings of the year! See how our customers with Ullman Sails did in 2018 by checking out our Results Page. Keith F. Magnussen Sales w: 714-432-1860 m: 714-206-1002 2710 S. Croddy Way Santa Ana, California 92704 United States Visit my website To no longer receive emails from this sender unsubscribe. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:07:04 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <CAGjBOA4uv3PX-OydFO6VyfqQF0VNQJyQopuyAnRsK8dZT__y_g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Tyler (and others following along): > foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only A boat such as a M15 is under no legal requirement to have positive flotation. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 1:52 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, > but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be > permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float > out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating > it? > > To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable > buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one > and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it > will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or > foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about > Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam > > Bonnie. > > You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will > sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small > pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. > > Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. > > Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than > the foam! > > Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a > polystyrene block this method may be cheaper > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or > amout > > of foam to buy? > > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:18:56 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Message-ID: <6731272C6E794E468784FAB2FA98C53B@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Tyler- the way we used foam on the 15 is that we put chunks under the forward berth and then screwed down the cover, trapping the foam in place. Under the cockpit we used the full logs and they were trapped in place with the decking of the boat. For an aftermarket setup I'd recommend empty 1 gal water/milk/ lemonade/ whiskey jugs because they're light and they can be held in place with a line thru the handles. I've used plastic buoyancy bags on whitewater canoes, for many years, and you need to top them off every time you use them, which in my mind makes them a distant third place.. In the 2 15's I've used in Mexico I removed the foam under the forward berth in favor of storage. You need lots of water in Mexico so I'd take two gal of water in jugs for each day for both of us, and after using the water we'd throw the jug back under the berth. Probably not enough air in the jugs to float the boat, but maybe it'd sink more slowly! Give you more time to scream. -----Original Message----- From: casioqv(a)usermail.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 1:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it? To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout > of foam to buy? > Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:33:35 -0700 From: <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <F8C14DF611DD43FC8721B1DA401F535B@CH002914> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I've got some soft spots for Oakridge, altho the spotted owl has taken it's toll there, like all the small logging towns on the W slope of the Cascades and the entire Coast Range. most of them now are meth- amphetamine city and everybody is on welfare. I'm currently re-reading Tom Sawyer, and Huck waking Tom by tapping on his window to get him up in the morning; I lived just across the hwy from the river and my buddy Charlie would come by with his shotgun in the wee hours, tap my window, and we'd go down, sit by the river, waiting for some unfortunate duck to fly by, until time for school. A good way to grow up, close to impossible nowdays. We fished in Odell Lake- big mackinaw, but that was way before them sailboats. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Trapp Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 12:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Jerry, I taught school in Lowell for about five years, if memory serves, Oakridge was up Hwy 58 a few more miles, towed my M-15 up to Odell Lake a few times. Am sure that was many years after you had finished jr. high. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:45 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill from Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few days later. Take a storm jib! -----Original Message----- From: doug Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is attached to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then captured from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix. About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many boats do as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped fishing boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem with Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so one has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo Lake which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to Odell. People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp (water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer. Doug M-15 Bend, Oregon > On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: > > That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the mast > and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at the > local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from Dave > Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace the > bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake is a > motor free lake, did you have a paddle? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- From: doug > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > > My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or > it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I > need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay > attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All > there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be. > = > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:47:17 -0600 From: Doug <doug9326(a)gmail.com> To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <dfa45ede-dc61-435f-b562-0e46564896a5(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yup!? Times have changed and it hurts.? But wind, a sail and a simple boat have not changed.? I still love the focus that comes as those three harmonize together on a lake or sound.?? Been that way for 55 years. ?Sent from BlueMail ? On Sep 10, 2018, 3:40 PM, at 3:40 PM, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: >I've got some soft spots for Oakridge, altho the spotted owl has taken >it's >toll there, like all the small logging towns on the W slope of the >Cascades >and the entire Coast Range. most of them now are meth- amphetamine >city and >everybody is on welfare. I'm currently re-reading Tom Sawyer, and Huck > >waking Tom by tapping on his window to get him up in the morning; I >lived >just across the hwy from the river and my buddy Charlie would come by >with >his shotgun in the wee hours, tap my window, and we'd go down, sit by >the >river, waiting for some unfortunate duck to fly by, until time for >school. >A good way to grow up, close to impossible nowdays. > >We fished in Odell Lake- big mackinaw, but that was way before them >sailboats. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Trapp >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 12:49 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > >Jerry, > I taught school in Lowell for about five years, if memory serves, >Oakridge was up Hwy 58 a few more miles, towed my M-15 up to Odell Lake >a >few times. >Am sure that was many years after you had finished jr. high. >Steve >M-15 # 335 > >-----Original Message----- >From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:45 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > >When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill >from >Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The >canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few >days >later. >Take a storm jib! > >-----Original Message----- >From: doug >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > >Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is >attached >to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then >captured >from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the >shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix. >About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many >boats do >as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped >fishing >boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem >with >Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so >one >has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo >Lake >which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to >Odell. >People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp >(water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer. > >Doug >M-15 >Bend, Oregon > >> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: >> >> That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the >mast >> and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at >the >> local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from >Dave >> Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace >the >> bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake >is a >> motor free lake, did you have a paddle? >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> -----Original Message----- From: doug >> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >or >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > >> enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now >I >> need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the >forestay >> attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All > >> there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used >to be. >> = >> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 20:58:29 -0500 From: "Bill Tosh" <billt(a)eastex.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Message-ID: <008701d44972$efba2440$cf2e6cc0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" EXCELLENT ! and I whole heartedly agree......... and I think so would Jerry M. Bill T.....Duckworks sailmaker -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 4:47 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting Yup! Times have changed and it hurts. But wind, a sail and a simple boat have not changed. I still love the focus that comes as those three harmonize together on a lake or sound. Been that way for 55 years. ?Sent from BlueMail ? On Sep 10, 2018, 3:40 PM, at 3:40 PM, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org wrote: >I've got some soft spots for Oakridge, altho the spotted owl has taken >it's >toll there, like all the small logging towns on the W slope of the >Cascades >and the entire Coast Range. most of them now are meth- amphetamine >city and >everybody is on welfare. I'm currently re-reading Tom Sawyer, and Huck > >waking Tom by tapping on his window to get him up in the morning; I >lived >just across the hwy from the river and my buddy Charlie would come by >with >his shotgun in the wee hours, tap my window, and we'd go down, sit by >the >river, waiting for some unfortunate duck to fly by, until time for >school. >A good way to grow up, close to impossible nowdays. > >We fished in Odell Lake- big mackinaw, but that was way before them >sailboats. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve Trapp >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 12:49 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > >Jerry, > I taught school in Lowell for about five years, if memory serves, >Oakridge was up Hwy 58 a few more miles, towed my M-15 up to Odell Lake >a >few times. >Am sure that was many years after you had finished jr. high. >Steve >M-15 # 335 > >-----Original Message----- >From: jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org >Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 5:45 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > >When I was in jr high school I lived in Oakridge, just down the hill >from >Odel, and lost two classmates who were fishing on Odel in a canoe. The >canoe was found the next day, and the bodies drifted to shore a few >days >later. >Take a storm jib! > >-----Original Message----- >From: doug >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 1:02 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting > >Got the answer from Scobie. I was not aware that the headstay is >attached >to the mast with the stay running through the oblong hole and then >captured >from within the mast with the bolt that runs through the mast for the >shrouds. Makes sense now and thanks so so much for this easy fix. >About Odell Lake, it is just fine to have any motor there and many >boats do >as does mine. Its a big Kokanee fishing lake with well equipped >fishing >boats. The fishing right now is fantastic for kokanee. The problem >with >Odell is the wind. It can come up ferociously and does very often so >one >has to be ready for that. The lake that does not allow motors is Waldo >Lake >which is accessed just down the highway a mile from the entrance to >Odell. >People do sail on Waldo though and either walk their boat from the ramp >(water is two feet deep) or just sail it out as I did this summer. > >Doug >M-15 >Bend, Oregon > >> On Sep 5, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> wrote: >> >> That happened on my M-15 several years ago and I was able to drop the >mast >> and jerry rig a fitting from a small bolt and washer I picked up at >the >> local True Value hardware. Now that I have the information from >Dave >> Scobie's e-mail I will probably order a regular fitting and replace >the >> bolt and washer that have worked for many years. I think Odell Lake >is a >> motor free lake, did you have a paddle? >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> -----Original Message----- From: doug >> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 7:48 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: M_Boats: broken forestay mast fitting >> >> My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down >or >> it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to > >> enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now >I >> need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the >forestay >> attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All > >> there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used >to be. >> = >> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 187, Issue 8 ************************************************

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broken forestay mast fitting
by doug 11 Sep '18

11 Sep '18

My forestay mast fitting broke and I found out when the mast was down or it could have been more serious. I jury rigged a fitting in order to enjoy some sailing this last weekend on Odell Lake, Oregon. But now I need to know how to permanently replace this fitting where the forestay attaches to the mast. I would appreciate any ideas on that one. All there is left is the oblong hole in the mast where the fitting used to be.

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Fwd: Sails discount in case you are looking - I have NO FI in Ullman Sails
by Gary Oberbeck 10 Sep '18

10 Sep '18

15% and 20% at 2 or more !! Gary Oberbeck -----Original Message----- From: Keith F Magnussen <k.magnussen(a)ullmansails.com> To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 7, 2018 11:42 am Subject: Ullman Sails North American Discount View in Browser Gary, Our 2018 North American Discount is here! Save 15% off one sail and 20% off two! Contact me today for a free quote and details on how you can take advantage of our biggest savings of the year! See how our customers with Ullman Sails did in 2018 by checking out our Results Page. Keith F. Magnussen Sales w: 714-432-1860 m: 714-206-1002 2710 S. Croddy Way Santa Ana, California 92704 United States Visit my website To no longer receive emails from this sender unsubscribe.

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Looking for Opinions - M17
by Darrin Goodman 08 Sep '18

08 Sep '18

Hi, My name is Darrin and I'm new to this list. I live in northern CO and I have developed the bug to go sailing - although I am a newbie here, I am no stranger to water; I'm an avid and long-time whitewater canoeist and whitewater rafter. I'm also used to doing long self-supported trips. Recently someone pointed out to me that as a landlocked individual, I would have more frequent and varied sailing opportunities if I purchase a smaller trailerable boat as opposed to a larger boat, and I can see the wisdom in that. A larger (25-28') boat will likely take longer and be more involved to set up, will be more difficult to store, will likely stay for the whole season at one single body of water, will potentially be more difficult to single hand (at least for a newbie like me), and will be more expensive to own/store/maintain. I'm 6'1" tall and weigh about 220 lbs. I'd like to have the ability to do the following: - be mobile so that I can sail in various CO lakes and not be limited to just one body of water - single-hand the boat during times when I am alone - have enough room on and in the boat for weekend overnight trips with my wife and daughter - having the ability to beach the boat or get close to shore would be a plus I'm considering an M-17. I like it's lines and its simplicity; it's trailerable and I believe that it would be reasonably easy to set-up/take-down by myself. We don't need to bring a lot of stuff other than food, cold beer and a change of clothes. I am hopeful that sometimes perhaps I could sleep in the cockpit under a tarp, which would free up space in the cabin for my girls. Here's what I'd like to know.... given what I have listed here, do you feel like the M-17 would be a good fit for my family and I? Will my wife and I be able to fit in the v-berth for sleeping and will my small daughter fit on the quarter birth? If not, is there another boat that you would recommend based on the criteria that I have listed here? Thanks so much in advance! -Darrin

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