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Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Tender
by Gary Oberbeck 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

Keith, Nice boarding ladder.Nice boat! GO -----Original Message----- From: Keith R. Martin <keith.richard.martin(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 5:12 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Tender I use a old school Stearns inflatable Kayak as my tender. It is fairly rugged, tracks reasonably well in coastal waters in light weather or sheltered water. It weighs 26 lbs & folds up into a storage bag that fits out of the way down the side of one of my quarter births out of sight &mind until I need it.. I have a manual canister pump that does the job inflating it in just a couple of minutes. Once I bring it out and pump it up, I just tow it behind like a hard shell, until I return home or have another reason to stow it. I find it to be a pretty good solution for boats our size... There is a picture of it here on Serenity's MPhoto page: https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/General/imageviewer.php?objectid=105&… Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. *Burnaby, BC* *Serenity M17, #353* On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 15:23, Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> > Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender > To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a > good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie > describes. > > The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly > effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and > be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational > ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin > to transport gear n supplies? > > I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe > (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have > experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to > trip up on waves and swamp? > > Curious to hear others tender tales! > > Alex > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Connie > > I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and > > everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ > > liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' > > The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any > size > > dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good > > experience with inflatables. > > I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the > > grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, > > good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones. > > > > The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ > > foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade > show > > and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it > > inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have > ever > > experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around > and > > absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini > > clad ladies loved it! > > One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - > > great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce. > > > > Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all > > look forward to them! > > Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! > > GO > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be > > inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency. > > > > My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland > > waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal > > we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both > > directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in > > the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was > > running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....? > > > > I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat > > got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the > > canal and let traffic flow again. > > > > For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I > > received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what > > had happened. > > > > I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. > > An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and > > found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft > > from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in > > place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we > > owned the boat. > > > > In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it > > can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if > > I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when > > it is blowing 20 knots. > > > > Connie > > > > > > On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote: > > > I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the > > day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? > {;>) > > > *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use > > inflatable kayaks with good reports. > > > Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake > > Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm > > > Subject: M_Boats: Tender > > > > > > Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In > Puget > > Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and > > beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, > > experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have > an > > M-15. 😜) > > > > > > Rusty > > > > > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Tender
by Gary Oberbeck 30 Nov '18

30 Nov '18

That Kelch guy is fairly sharp! He has more good ideas up his sleeve - and is the man behind the curtain for an event coming up in February. He has been doing this stuff for a couple 'weeks'. The cat is outta the bag Doug! -----Original Message----- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 4:49 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Tender I’m loving this list- I never would have thought of a funnel on the painter on my own, but it makes perfect sense! On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:39 PM Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I used a 15' 6" Bolger Light Dory behind my M15 for a 2 week cruise in > Maine and for some shorter cruises on the Cheasapeake Bay. It actually > worked quite well. I used a floating poly line for towing with a 7 inch > funnel about four feet in front of the Dory. A stopper knot on both sides > of the funnel so when under tow the skinny part pointed in the direction of > travel. When the Dory started surfing and catching up with the M15 the tow > line would go slack and the funnel would invert so the wide mouth was in > the direction of travel. In 18 kt following seas the Dory was held up by > the funnel and did not broach. > > We got a lot of use out of it in Maine. > > Thanks > > Doug Kelch > Former M15 "Seas the Day" > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:23 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> > > Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender > > To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr(a)aol.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats > > < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > > > Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 > a > > good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation > Connie > > describes. > > > > The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be > surprisingly > > effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) > and > > be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational > > ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic > bin > > to transport gear n supplies? > > > > I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe > > (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have > > experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to > > trip up on waves and swamp? > > > > Curious to hear others tender tales! > > > > Alex > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > Connie > > > I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency > and > > > everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump > 400+ > > > liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' > > > The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any > > size > > > dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good > > > experience with inflatables. > > > I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the > > > grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, > stable, > > > good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones. > > > > > > The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid > 15+ > > > foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade > > show > > > and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it > > > inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have > > ever > > > experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around > > and > > > absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The > bikini > > > clad ladies loved it! > > > One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - > > > great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce. > > > > > > Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all > > > look forward to them! > > > Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! > > > GO > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > > To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender > > > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > > > I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be > > > inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency. > > > > > > My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland > > > waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal > > > we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both > > > directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in > > > the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was > > > running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....? > > > > > > I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat > > > got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the > > > canal and let traffic flow again. > > > > > > For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I > > > received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what > > > had happened. > > > > > > I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. > > > An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and > > > found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft > > > from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it > in > > > place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we > > > owned the boat. > > > > > > In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it > > > can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable > if > > > I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when > > > it is blowing 20 knots. > > > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote: > > > > I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in > the > > > day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? > > {;>) > > > > *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use > > > inflatable kayaks with good reports. > > > > Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake > > > Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm > > > > Subject: M_Boats: Tender > > > > > > > > Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In > > Puget > > > Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and > > > beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, > > > experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also > have > > an > > > M-15. 😜) > > > > > > > > Rusty > > > > > > > > www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > > > >

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