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M23
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '17

07 Jul '17

Congratulations to both of you! sal

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New Sails!
by Jazzy 24 Jun '17

24 Jun '17

Hi all, I finally was able to get around to ordering new sails! I've retired the 1980's models and replaced them with with a set of crisp Precision radials. Here's how it went for anyone that's wondering... Called them up, talked about sails and materials etc. They send you a measurement form to fill out and return. Then their design team calls back with any questions or clarifications. 4 weeks later a box shows up nicely packed. They were super nice, and helpful as I'd never done this before and was a little stressed about getting sails that didn't fit. To my relief everything fit perfectly. Hopefully today I can go give them them little try! Attached is a quick and dirty picture of the main, the genny is furled. I'm hoping to get better pics on the 4th. I had the sail cut slightly different to accommodate El Ninos dodger better. Added an additional reef point as well. Also, since I last posted, I installed an ST1000 autopilot, which is a life saver single handed. I haven't spilled a drop of beer since. I also installed some LED strip lighting inside where you can really see it. Easy project and the cabin is really finished looking at night. Cheers! -Jazz

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New "to me" M17
by Alan Oltman 18 Jun '17

18 Jun '17

Hello everyone. I recently bought an M17 and am in the process of repairing and repainting. I have come across something curious I need help with. There is a small fin keel that extends from the keel aft along the center line, to the transom. It is only 5 or 6 inches deep at this aftermost point. Mine looked a little beat up so I thought I’d have a closer look. I drilled a 1” hole in the side, near the transom, and to my surprise, the fin is hollow. Mine, however, contained mud and water. I vacuumed out as much as I could but need to know how mud could have gotten into this “keelette”. The hollow space goes all the way to the keel itself. I can’t see under the cabin sole to know whether the hollow space connects with the cabin. Can I flush it out with water (it was already wet so what the heck)? How can I keep this from happening once I repair this fin? Thanks in advance, AL in MPLS

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Wanted to Buy Montgomery 6-8 Sailing Dingy
by kirby 18 Jun '17

18 Jun '17

Wanted to Buy: Montgomery 6-8 Sailing Dingy

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Re: M_Boats: R2AK tracker - yellow flags
by Dave Scobie 17 Jun '17

17 Jun '17

The yellow flags mark the 'gates' the racers must pass through during the race. The red flag is the finish :: Dave Scobie On Jun 16, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: Tried a couple of reference books in the local public library on maritime and navigation markers, but did not find the meaning of the yellow flag on the http://tracker.r2ak.com/ map. What is it? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Trapp Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 9:04 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK tracker What is the function of the yellow flag on the R2AK map? It appears to be at a different location each day? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 11:08 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK tracker Team Excellent Adventure isn't going to Alaska. Only leg one. Bill is cruising the gulf and San Juan islands with his wife. Rush Aweigh is the only Mboat going to Alaska. :: Dave Scobie On Jun 13, 2017 10:24 AM, "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp(a)q.com> wrote: Haven't found Excellent Adventure on the map for a couple of days. What happened to her? Is Rush Aweigh the only M-boat in R2AK now? Does anyone know what the yellow flag at Campbell River is about? Steve M-15 # 3 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:42 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK tracker SageCat not in race. At start as Sage and Spyderco sponsors. Currently cruising north puget. Updates on Sage's Twitter, Instagram and Facebook feeds. :: Dave Scobie On Jun 10, 2017 10:35 AM, "John Schinnerer" <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: See original mail below..."Rush Aweigh" is the other M17. > I don't see any Sage Cat officially in the race. > All the 'cats' in the list are 'cat'amarans. > > The first stage (Pt. Townsend to Victoria) is over so right now, the > tracker will indicate that when you go to it. > Once the second stage (Victoria to Ketchikan) has started it will show > tracking for that. > > cheers, > John S. > > On 06/10/2017 10:14 AM, Steve Trapp wrote: > > > http://tracker.r2ak.com/ works for me, I found Excellent Adventure >> (M-17) on the map of the Victoria B.C. Harbor. >> What are the names of the other M-boats and the name of the Sage Cat? >> Steve >> M-15 # 335 >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer >> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:17 PM >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK @ Sage Cat >> >> Follow the glorious Montgomery boats on the tracker: >> http://tracker.r2ak.com/ >> >> A post from team Excellent Adventure, one of the two M17s (and a >> Ketchikan finisher the past two years, but apparently only doing the >> first leg this year) indicates some of why boats are all the heck over >> the place at this time after the first stage start, and their own >> particular tactics. Borne out by the windicators in the tracker...it's >> blowing pretty hard out in the strait, more so closer to the finish line. >> >> The other M17, team Rush Aweigh, is hanging out just off the spit at >> Dungeness. One of the kayaks, and the pair of SUPs, are on shore at the >> spit. >> >> Excellent Adventure is presumably using the same oar rig as the first >> two years. Not sure what Rush Aweigh is doing about that. >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 06/08/2017 05:00 PM, Steve Trapp wrote: >> >> Dave, >> >>> Was good to meet you and see the Sage Cat at R2AK yesterday. >>> Noticed also there are other M-boats in the R2AK, but I didn't see oar >>> locks on them, hope they get fair winds for the 750 miles to Alaska. Hope >>> they got off O K when the starting gun was fired at 5:00 AM today. >>> Steve >>> M-15 # 335 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:15 AM >>> To: bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailering M15 while battery is strapped onto >>> boatbottom >>> >>> Brad: >>> >>> did you make a supporting mount that the battery boxes, and the >>> containing >>> batteries, are attached? ie, how are the batteries strapped down? >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred >>> :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com >>> :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html >>> :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html >>> :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:05 PM, brad kurlancheek < >>> bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> this may be a dumb question, but where else to ask but here... >>> >>> >>>> am contemplating trailering my 2009 M15, with two 12 volt car type >>>> batteries (about 20 pounds each), strapped into their >>>> compartments, under the cabin storage panel, placed onto the boat bottom >>>> >>>> it'll be mostly highway travel, but i don't know how strong the boat >>>> bottom >>>> is, and my first thought is that to do so is a dumb idea and may cause >>>> damage to the boat bottom, and its just better to have the batteries in >>>> the >>>> towing vehicle >>>> >>>> thanks for any thoughts on the matter! >>>> >>>> - brad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >> > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: R2AK tracker
by Steve Trapp 16 Jun '17

16 Jun '17

http://tracker.r2ak.com/ works for me, I found Excellent Adventure (M-17) on the map of the Victoria B.C. Harbor. What are the names of the other M-boats and the name of the Sage Cat? Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:17 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: R2AK @ Sage Cat Follow the glorious Montgomery boats on the tracker: http://tracker.r2ak.com/ A post from team Excellent Adventure, one of the two M17s (and a Ketchikan finisher the past two years, but apparently only doing the first leg this year) indicates some of why boats are all the heck over the place at this time after the first stage start, and their own particular tactics. Borne out by the windicators in the tracker...it's blowing pretty hard out in the strait, more so closer to the finish line. The other M17, team Rush Aweigh, is hanging out just off the spit at Dungeness. One of the kayaks, and the pair of SUPs, are on shore at the spit. Excellent Adventure is presumably using the same oar rig as the first two years. Not sure what Rush Aweigh is doing about that. cheers, John S. On 06/08/2017 05:00 PM, Steve Trapp wrote: > Dave, > Was good to meet you and see the Sage Cat at R2AK yesterday. Noticed > also there are other M-boats in the R2AK, but I didn't see oar locks on > them, hope they get fair winds for the 750 miles to Alaska. Hope they got > off O K when the starting gun was fired at 5:00 AM today. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie > Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:15 AM > To: bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailering M15 while battery is strapped onto > boatbottom > > Brad: > > did you make a supporting mount that the battery boxes, and the containing > batteries, are attached? ie, how are the batteries strapped down? > > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html > :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html > :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html > > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:05 PM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> this may be a dumb question, but where else to ask but here... >> >> am contemplating trailering my 2009 M15, with two 12 volt car type >> batteries (about 20 pounds each), strapped into their >> compartments, under the cabin storage panel, placed onto the boat bottom >> >> it'll be mostly highway travel, but i don't know how strong the boat >> bottom >> is, and my first thought is that to do so is a dumb idea and may cause >> damage to the boat bottom, and its just better to have the batteries in >> the >> towing vehicle >> >> thanks for any thoughts on the matter! >> >> - brad >> > > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Shimming centerboard
by Jon Barber 13 Jun '17

13 Jun '17

The center board on my Monty 17 is loose and bangs around in its slot. Has anyone encountered this on their boat? Is there a way to add shims between board and trunk? Thanks, Jon Barber Hull #44

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Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
by casioqv＠usermail.com 12 Jun '17

12 Jun '17

Weird, to my knowledge, I don't think the centerboard is supposed to fit fully into the keel on an M15. The amount shown in the photo is the centerboard fully retracted on my boat, and my new lead centerboard fits the same. It was absolutely impossible to budge with any of the several methods I tried before this. Could you send photos of the centerboard and area looking up into the trunk on your boat? Sincerely, Tyler From: "Steve w" <m35nc1(a)gmail.com> To: "casioqv" <casioqv(a)usermail.com> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:24:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Mine is flush with the keel. Did you manage to pull yours out that far or was it already sticking out that much On Jun 3, 2017 9:19 PM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv(a)usermail.com ] > wrote: See attached. I drilled holes in the exposed part of the centerboard, and bolted on stock steel from a hardware store. Everything used here is 100% standard hardware store parts. Again, Captain Jim Sadler was the person who first thought of this general method, which I followed. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1(a)gmail.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < [ mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 4:35:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Tyler please send the pictures when you get a chance. I don't know what else to do with it On Jun 3, 2017 10:14 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv(a)usermail.com ] > wrote: > Early M15 centerboards were made with steel punchings as ballast, and > water would gradually encroach in. As the punchings rust, they expand in > volume locking the centerboard in place, and it won't reverse from drying > the boat out. It can become stuck very hard, and requires building a puller > tool to remove properly. I can send you photos of what I did to get it out > if you decide yours needs it. I used a threaded rod to pull it out, based > on a design by Captain Jim, also on this list. I wish I had tried that > method first, as trying the metal rod method made the job 5x as much work > as it would have been otherwise. > > My boat also hadn't been in the water for over a decade when I purchased > it, and it was because of the stuck centerboard... normally the centerboard > is quite loose on these boats, and will drop easily under it's own weight. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1(a)gmail.com ] > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. > [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 7:05:28 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard > > What would cause the centerboard to swell. It hasn't been in water for > years > > On Jun 3, 2017 10:03 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv(a)usermail.com ] > wrote: > > Be really careful with that method, only a very small amount of pressure > can be applied safely with a rod. I tried this when I had a truly swollen > centerboard, and had to tap the rod with a hammer. The rod went straight > through the centerboard, and slipped sideways damaging the hull... without > budging the centerboard. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. > [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. > [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:52:53 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard > > Steve, > A friend of mine used to have the issue of a sticking board because of > small pebbles and debris washing down the drain hole. He used a narrow push > rod to apply pressure from the topside to get the board to move. If course > he knew it was stuck from debris and not a swollen trunk. I hope it's not > due to rusting steel punches. > > Skip > M-15 #201 > Wild Guppy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Dave Scobie < [ mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie(a)gmail.com ] > wrote: > > > > Oh. > > > > Could be jammed ... Or could be rusting and swelled. > > > > When I have a real internet connection, currently traveling so on > > smartphone, I'll look in archives for discussion on how to push the board > > down if stuck from Rock, mud, shells, etc. Or someone may share methods > > prior. > > > > I hope it isn't rusting. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > >> On Jun 3, 2017 6:12 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1(a)gmail.com ] > wrote: > >> > >> The boat was in a garage for 10 years. The owner has passed. > >> > >>> On Jun 3, 2017 8:10 AM, "Dave Scobie" < [ mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie(a)gmail.com ] > wrote: > >>> > >>> Steve. > >>> > >>> Did the prior owner say the board was working? > >>> > >>> :: Dave Scobie > >>> > >>>> On Jun 3, 2017 5:27 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1(a)gmail.com ] > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks Steve that's what I thought, however with the boat in the water > >>> and > >>>> no tension on that line the centerboard still doesn't move. I swam > >> under > >>>> and tried to pry with a screwdriver. It doesn't move at all. I live NC > >>> in a > >>>> community called Seven Lakes. That's where I'll start sailing her but > >> I'd > >>>> like to do some coastal cruising eventually. > >>>> > >>>>> On Jun 2, 2017 10:59 PM, "Steve Trapp" < [ mailto:stevetrapp@q.com | stevetrapp(a)q.com ] > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve, > >>>>> The centerboard on an M-15 is lowered by releasing the rope (line) > >>>> that > >>>>> is probably tied to a cleat on the seatboard across the cockpit at > >> the > >>>> aft > >>>>> of the cabin. The centerboard cleat is next to the main-sheet cleat. > >>>> Make > >>>>> sure the release line (rope) is tied in the up position and securely > >> to > >>>> the > >>>>> cleat before launching or outhauling your M-15 because any slack will > >>> get > >>>>> the boat stuck on the trailer. > >>>>> Where do you plan to sail your M-15, what body of water, what > >> state? > >>>>> Steve > >>>>> M-15 # 335 > >>>>> South Puget Sound > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Steve w > >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:49 PM > >>>>> To: [ mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com ] > >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Centerboard > >>>>> > >>>>> I just purchased an M15 and I can't figure out how to lower the > >>>>> centerboard. If someone knows where I can get an owner's manual I'd > >>>>> appreciate that as well. Thanks, Steve > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >

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trailering M15 while battery is strapped onto boat bottom
by brad kurlancheek 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

this may be a dumb question, but where else to ask but here... am contemplating trailering my 2009 M15, with two 12 volt car type batteries (about 20 pounds each), strapped into their compartments, under the cabin storage panel, placed onto the boat bottom it'll be mostly highway travel, but i don't know how strong the boat bottom is, and my first thought is that to do so is a dumb idea and may cause damage to the boat bottom, and its just better to have the batteries in the towing vehicle thanks for any thoughts on the matter! - brad

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(no subject)
by David Grah 08 Jun '17

08 Jun '17

When I got my used Montgomery 15 the battery was essentially loose rattling around in the front compartment. This had turned the styrofoam in the compartment into a sort of gravel, so it must have been that way for a long time. I put the battery into a plastic battery box secured in the compartment and have driven thousands of miles that way. The bottom of the boat shows no damage from the battery after all this. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:05:59 -0400 From: brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: trailering M15 while battery is strapped onto boat bottom Message-ID: <CALpQOtCkfm8L8Xe8UmyPxyq52RSjsGtNi01wnUPcNdcZMMLWEw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" this may be a dumb question, but where else to ask but here... am contemplating trailering my 2009 M15, with two 12 volt car type batteries (about 20 pounds each), strapped into their compartments, under the cabin storage panel, placed onto the boat bottom it'll be mostly highway travel, but i don't know how strong the boat bottom is, and my first thought is that to do so is a dumb idea and may cause damage to the boat bottom, and its just better to have the batteries in the towing vehicle thanks for any thoughts on the matter! - brad ------------------------------ Sent from my iPhone

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