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Re: M_Boats: The Latest
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 12 Jun '16

12 Jun '16

You got it on the 'Bow down' attitude when on the trailer. I sailed an S2 6.7 and had the bow way down on the trailer. The boat had very poor directional stability when launching as the keel was completely retracted into the hull - had to get it off the trailer smoothly/quickly and start lowering the keel immediately! That is a 22 foot boat with a shorter tongue than the 17 and it would float right off! You may also try a dropped ball mount - deep drop will compensate for some of the ramp angle. Bow down mimicking the angle of the ramp you launch at most freq. will be a BIG help. 14 feet of chain seems like one heck of an extension - how high is your waterline above the ground at the trailer axle? Not fun if they don't go on and off the trailer easily. You will get it dialed in. GO In a message dated 6/12/2016 3:22:48 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, drifkind(a)acm.org writes: > On Jun 12, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > What's that old saying about bad experiences resulting from lack of > experience which then generates good experience???? You mean, good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement? I dunno, I may just be a highly experienced idiot. I feel like the whole trailer thing isn’t as good as it should be. Mine has to go *way* into the water, using a 14’ chain as an extension, to launch. I think the boat sits too high, and isn’t helped by the couple of inches I added replacing the rollers. If a ramp has a 12% slope, every 1-1/2” of boat height is another foot down the ramp you have to go. Also, as the stern starts to float, the bow comes down, and at the extreme rests on the spare tire. It seems like, for the boat to go on and off the trailer neatly, it should be closer to level when it’s *on* the ramp. Maybe it should sit with the bow down, or at least lower, on level ground. On the driveway my boat sits with the bottom of the keel 17” off the ground, and the tip of the prow (for lack of a better point to measure) at 70”. I wonder how that compares to other trailers out there.

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Re: M_Boats: Anchor rollers...
by Keith R. Martin 12 Jun '16

12 Jun '16

Thanks Jazz, Now the pressure is on :-)! I will be sure to post some pictures as soon as I can... On Jun 6, 2016 8:43 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: You all make valid points. I arrived at the 22lb bruce type anchor by advice from a salty old dude that has been anchoring out permanently for years and has watched many boats drag by him or into him..lol. He seemed very experienced and knowledgeable. He rowed over from his Westlake and asked about El Nino, then we got into this topic, so he was aware of what boat we were talking about. It's possible that I'd be anchored out there all summer and be gone from the boat for extensive periods, so I think overkill is the word here. He passed me his phone number to verify my work or help, so I'm happy about that! I'm still chasing down the last remnants of mooring leads but it doesn't look good, so mooring is plan B. Basically this anchor setup is a pseudo mooring ball, but I can't actually place a mooring ball. I'm def looking forward to those pics! I wonder if the 5 gallon bucket presents a sleeping obstacle? I want my anchor to be instantly deployable, so bowsprit type deal seems ideal if it's workable. Jazz

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Boat launch WA
by Dale Nummi 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

I'm in Granite Falls WA and can take a 21' sailboat out . I'm looking for nearby boat launch that might have good sailing for a day? Thank you in advance Dale M17 Lentokala Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 7, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > For anyone that is interested, Gig Harbor marine swap is this weekend. > I'll be hunting anchors amd chain. > > Jazz

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Re: M_Boats: Dinghy arrives...
by Jazzy 11 Jun '16

11 Jun '16

All good solutions! I see alot of inflatable kayaks and SUP (stand up paddleboard) at the dinghy dock here. Nice build by the way, I bet that's a fun project. Jazz On Jun 11, 2016 12:29 PM, "jslubliner--- via montgomery_boats" < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Years ago we used to go to Mexico with Tucson Sailing Club to cruise and race. We had a group member who would arrive with a different, lightweight, crummy dinghy each trip which he would refer to as FOPOYOs. After a while we realized that what he was bringing were marked "For Pool Use Only..." -----Original Message----- From: Steve Trapp <stevetrapp(a)Q.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 11:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dinghy arrives... What is a SUP? Steve M-15 # 335 and ignorant about floating objects that can be towed behind a boat or described by an accronym -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:36 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Dinghy arrives... Speaking of unusual dinghy choices (not that yours is unusual, Jazz :-) - I know a guy who uses a SUP for his "dinghy." It's a custom SUP by Gary Young in Hawai'i, with a bit of a cargo recess with bungee cargo net in front and removable recess cover in rear, some bungee hold-downs, etc.. Also fun to be towed behind the boat on! Almost lost my shorts one time... cheers, John S. On 06/10/2016 04:57 PM, Jazzy wrote: > Hi all, for anyone that's interested here's a short 3 min video of the > inflatable I bought in case you're looking.. sorry I forgot to shoot the > motor mount. It also comes with 2 seats and the paddles and pump. No > bag! Luckily I have a handy dandy laundry bag it goes right in... > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/o7xh9nlx9vp13yu/miniyacht.mp4?dl=0 > > Jazz > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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New slip!
by Jazzy 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

Hi all, I managed to secure a dockside mooring at Foss Marina, Tacoma WA for El Nino so no mooring anchor stress now. I thought I'd share costs etc...for anyone curious. I had to go to Tacoma (7 miles) instead of Gig Harbor, but it beats trailering, and really 7 miles I can't bitch too much. So it's a dockside mooring, no power. There's a sort of communal water faucet for hosing down and full marina amenities to include bbq area..lounge, security, sundries store, parking, bathrooms, showers..etc. That's all good. The downside: no power as I mentioned, and anything more than about a minus 1.5 tide and I'm not able to squeeze out between the dock and the shore, but I won't be grounded. I couldn't launch from the boat ramp in that tide either..so a bit of a wash there. This slip is running me 120.00 per month. One of the requirements was 300,000.00 worth of liability insurance. Through US Boat, with an accompanying 25.00 membership, I secured this for 101.00 a year for a no depreciation full value policy. The policy which replaces losses at depreciated values would have been 54.00 a year! Quite a deal. My home/auto agent quoted me $400.00. Mmhmmm...next! There are numerous benefits from the US Boat membership that I haven't had time to look at. I know West Marine offers a discount and there's $50.00 towing when I ground it :) Oh the policy covers only Puget Sound and the San Juans area. If I go elsewhere I have to call for a cruising area extension. I think that's the basics. Happy to answer anything else I can. Unfortunately my back is a mess right now and I can't move in! Jazz

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 160, Issue 5
by AM Middleriverstudio 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

For those that are fans of spar varnish, I have a question: I'm refinishing/repairing our hatch boards. They were already varnished so I decided to continue in the same fashion. What I have not been able to get is a 'semi-gloss' finish. i.e. the varnish is indeed, a super-high-gloss finish and unfortunately I'm not interested in the glare on a sunny day, nor in the way that it magnifies every flaw in the substrate. Is there any way to tone it down? thx a

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Anchor rollers...
by Jazzy 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Hi all, I was wondering if I might get some pics or atleast descriptions of your anchor setups. I'd love a little sprit/roller set up, but can't figure how to get around the furler, nav light etc. Also, I have the a deck pipe up there to pass rode through the deck, and there's some sort of anchor holding device on the rail. Where do you guys put your feet when you sleep if the rain and rope live there somewhere??? I'm planning on about 20 ft of chain and 100 ish of rode. Also an overkill anchor so I can leave it in the harbor for days. A local who anchors out there suggested 30lbs. I found a 22lb claw type I'm liking. And have my 8lb Danforth setup as well. I don't even know what else to ask, so lemme have it ! Jazz

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Swap meet...
by Jazzy 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

For anyone that is interested, Gig Harbor marine swap is this weekend. I'll be hunting anchors amd chain. Jazz

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Monty 15 Teak clean up
by Karen & Smiley 06 Jun '16

06 Jun '16

Just hired two 17 year olds to sand down my teak so I can re-varnish it all. The hard part to me is all that crazy sanding. Anyway I was not happy with how my old varnish held up so any suggestions and application tips please spread them my way :) Thanks Another Wrinkle M 15 #616 Karen & Smiley Magoo252(a)comcast.net <mailto:Magoo252@comcast.net>

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Main /Jib halyard preferences
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 03 Jun '16

03 Jun '16

Personally, I go with 'typical' and 'convention of majority'- your mileage may vary - I look to Starboard for the Main and Port for the headsail halyards when I get on a 'new' boat - then check them (for clear leads too!) A lot like the control pedals on automobiles.... Culled from many boards on the internet: "The "jib-port, main-starboard" is not a hard fast rule.... a but very very common set up." "Main on starboard, jib on port. Except in France. " "Main and Spin hal on Stbd, Genoa and 2nd spin hal on Port. " "In the old days of external halyards & mast mounted winches, certain halyards had to be on certain sides to lead to the winch without chafing on the spreader bases. So the main & spi halyards, coming down the front of the mast, hadd to lead to the stbd winch. Same for jib halyard, leading down aft side meant it could only go to port winch." "The halyards are on the wrong side of the mast. The main halyard exits the mast to port and the jib halyard exits the mast to starboard." "The other end of the halyard is usually attached to the mast at its foot by way of a _cleat_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleat_(nautical)) . It is convention in some places to fasten the main halyard (for the _mainsail_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainsail) ) on the _starboard_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starboard) side of the mast and the _jib_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jib) halyard to the_port_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port) side. This allows quicker access to the lines in a time-critical situation." "It's just for conformity, so sailors new to the boat don't have to sort it out perhaps in the black dark. There's no _rule_ (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/tags/rule.html) says you have to do it any particular way. It's the skippers' responsibility to show new crew " the ropes "." "Believe it was tradition in placement of the halyards. EVERY boat I owned or was on had the Main Halyard on the Stbd side and headsail halyards to port. After a 20 year hiatus from sailing noticed there no longer seemed to be that hard and fast convention. First noticed it on a multi _hull_ (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/tags/hull.html) . Maybe it's a training _wheel_ (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/tags/wheel.html) boater thing flaunting convention. Confusing for us sailors who grew up with the Stbd Main Halyard location expected. Even a bit dangerous as the wierd halyard location hit home when the_skipper_ (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/tags/skipper.html) needed me to reef the main and I tried to drop the jib instead in a sudden big increase in_wind_ (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/tags/wind.html) velocity." ____________________________________ "IIRC, the French had a penchant for putting the main halyard to port. No idea why. Just trying to remember 30-40 years back but as I _recall_ (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/tags/recall.html) all the boats I owned: US made (Morgan), Finnish and German all had the main halyard stbd side." and from the real expert: _Brion Toss_ (http://www.briontoss.com/spartalk/member.php?s=8d2c4cd03f192f987af0a67dd13d…) Moderator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,137 Options ____________________________________ Hi there, The good news is that all of your questions are answered, in exquisite detail, in my new book Rig Your Boat. The bad news is that I haven't finished that book yet, though I have been gnawing away at it for years. So meanwhile the short form is: if the halyard goes into the mast in front, it should come out of the mast in front. That way it will have the fairest lead, and the least likelihood of encountering throughbolts, other halyards, and any other obstacles. This method also makes it easy to figure out whether a line is a jib halyard or a main, because the jib, for instance, is in front, and that's where the halyard exits. And if that halyard exits in front, then it will lead fairest to the starboard winch; if you brought tit out on port, from an exit towards the front of the mast, you would have to deflect it aft, to get a lead to the winch, which would make for a foul lead. And one sees precisely this a lot, because people are still fixated on the "main on starboard, jib on port" mantra, which was evolved specifically for external halyards. Actually it goes even deeper than that, back to the days of external halyard blocks and the first, jib-less sailboats. The point is that rig layout should reflect rig traffic patterns, and inverting the traditional patterns makes sense with internal halyards. There are refinements, like optimizing relative leads based on load and frequency of use. For that, I fear you will have to wait for the book, or take one of our classes. Fair leads, Brion Many ways to do it - none are 'Right' for all. Have fun, Go Sailing, GO

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