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Traveller
by Thomas Buzzi 05 Oct '14

05 Oct '14

Hi George, I too am redoing my traveller on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Corin and seeing his fine "Orli", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" mag.Mar/Apr). and discussing his traveller arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwell in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a vang so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B

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Re: M_Boats: Traveler
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 05 Oct '14

05 Oct '14

Tyler, There are at least two very simple 'No or Lo' hardware versions of travelers I have used on previous M-15 and my current M-17. Both versions are VERY simple and do not intrude into the cockpit at ALL - the one in use on my current boat (17) does NOT pull the boom to weather . It is my opinion the boat's keels are not efficient enough to benefit from the 'weather setting in light air'. Keel will stall at very low flow and high angles of attack (sounds violent heh?) BTW - I plan on sailing my 17 til ......... love the little thing! Little or No hardware and VERY low expense compared to some alternatives. My last boat (S2 6.7) had a Harken windward sheeting car on a full width track with continuous line control - Way overkill for our small boats - and the prices are nutz! ! There are very easy ways to achieve the desired effect with little or no hardware and great savings. Line and splices/knots are our friend! PM me if you would like a line drawing of either version. Have Fun Go Sailing - local season starts any day ! ! ! GO M-17t sail #354 'Hokey Pokey' "As I hurtled through space, one thought kept crossing my mind - every part of this rocket was supplied by the lowest bidder." - John Glenn In a message dated 10/4/2014 9:55:33 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, casioqv(a)usermail.com writes: Has anyone tried adding a traveler to the stern, while still keeping the mainsheet adjustment in the original location at the front of the cockpit? It seems like this could still get most of the adjustability without taking up room in the cockpit? I think an M15 could especially benefit from a traveler, because it would enable higher headstay tension without requiring the main to be sheeted to the center. It might make sense to mostly adjust the traveler instead of the mainsheet when changing course? Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"

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Please excuse error msg...
by c Weiss 04 Oct '14

04 Oct '14

Please excuse earlier email msg sent in error -- a miss-fire while doing boat maintenance... Sail on, Conrad -- SF Bay Cal 31 sailor -- M-Boat wanna-be...

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by c Weiss 04 Oct '14

04 Oct '14

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M10 on Craigslis
by Henry Rodriguez 04 Oct '14

04 Oct '14

FWIW http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/boa/4693175370.html -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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M Traveler System
by George R. Iemmolo 03 Oct '14

03 Oct '14

Wrinkle Boat Mates One of my winter projects is to install a traveler system on my M15. I found an article by Jerry M on the MSOG for an M17 but I can not find any of the Ronstan hardware listed. Has anyone installed a system on a M15 and if so can you share your experience and hardware list. Thanks in advance George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602

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Montgomery related - lapstrake boat to get to destination. Video
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 02 Oct '14

02 Oct '14

http://youtu.be/xQ_IQS3VKjA and a place some of us would like to sail......

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Neat website
by Thomas Buzzi 02 Oct '14

02 Oct '14

While perusing the sailboat end of the internet I chanced across an interesting site dealing pretty much with M boats. Go to "M17-375.webs.com". I think that will get you there. The site contains lots of interesting how to's as well as a video or two. It was last updated on Sept.5 so it is active. I tried to leave a message but when I pushed enter I was told that my" text did not match my text", or words to that effect. Whatever that effect was supposed to be. The phrase made no sense to me. Anybody exploring this site and trying to comment, would you please let me know what that phrase meant or how, actually, to leave a message. Lots of stuff on the site is worth replying to. On another subject. I have ordered quite a bit of stainless steel deckware and fittings from "Marine Parts Depot". The prices are very good (up to 50% off local prices) and the quality seems first rate. The fittings are heavy duty and very well designed and polished. They process orders promptly. One caveat, however, their return policy leaves a lot to be desired. In other words there is no return policy despite what they say on their website. So be careful what you buy. I purchased an anchor mount for the bow of my M-17 which turned out to be too small for the anchor shank I will use. After following all their requirements for the return, I have not heard anything from them for over a month. I do hope the site moderator lets this email through as it is extremely important to be able to pool our experiences about boating equipment and situations. That is a major advantage of being able to access a website so totally involved with one particular product, ie. MSOG. It is actually a big selling point for buying a used Montgomery. Fairwinds, Tom B. Mont.17 #258, '77

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Re: M_Boats: Now What Have I Gotten Myself Into? Major Transom Repair
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 01 Oct '14

01 Oct '14

Henry, You are correct in believing the interior was repaired due to wrapping the transom edge OVER the top and into the interior of the cockpit area. I also had a large number of holes in the transom to fill - both sides. You can 'get away' with wrapping the tape to the top edge just be sure to cut enough away to allow for the addition of the tape - you will be rebuilding the edge with tape -(bi-axial is your friend) and grinding it back to a suitable contour. I did not take photos of the whole process as I didn't intend to post it - someone asked and now see part of the rest of the story! I would use plywood (epoxy and hi density filler make great slurry for bonding after parts have been coated with 'neat' epoxy') Use the old skin as a base for finishing your transom skin - save the H.I.N. and keep it clearly visible! Carbon is not necessary here. Glass is proper application as there will be flex at joint. Use epoxy for the repair as polyester does not provide a good bond. Good time to fill all extra holes and over drill and back fill the ones you will retain. Good Luck Have Fun, Ask any ?'s you need and Make sure to sail 'Chiquita' while you work. Take Care Have fUn ! GO In a message dated 7/11/2014 9:59:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, heinzir(a)gmail.com writes: Thanks for the reply Dave, There aren't any Suzuki dealers or repair shops around here that I know of and I have not yest seen any used ones on Craigslist in the last 6 months. The Evinrudes are the most popular around here. I'd like to try one to see if it fits. Yes, I have looked at Gary O's pictures on the MSOG site as well as all of the others, including your very nice SWEET PEA. I've been trying to educate myself and have studied every picture or commentary I could find. I have been reading the archives of this list starting from the beginning. There is so much information my little brain can't contain it all! Please excuse me if some of my questions are redundant, having already been discussed in the archives. In Gary's transom repair pictures he shows some fiberglass work on the cockpit side of the transom. I'm guessing that is because of overlapping the new fiberglass over the top to secure the hull/deck joint. The pictures aren't clear on this. I would like to avoid having to paint the inside of the cockpit if possible. Is it absolutely necessary to overlap? If so, could I just cover the top of the transom without going down the inside transom face? This is where I was thinking of using carbon fiber tape. Thanks! Henry On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Henry: > > very very common for the damage you are seeing to be caused by a improperly > installed outboard motor bracket, or the outboard was left on the bracket > when she was going down the highway. the M17 sails best if you use the > cutout for the outboard. much better boat balance. not all outboards will > fit in the cutout ... the Suzuki 4HP and 6HP (same motor, just different > carb) do work in the cutout. > > here is an outline on how to fix (your boat is much worse than pictured, > but will give you an idea of how to proceed) - > > http://www.msogphotosite.com/lbgftransom.html > > (click on the spaces where the pictures should be to see a picture. the > www-site isn't working correctly as it uses out-of-date code.) > > > doing alternating layers of fiberglass and carbon fiber is fine as the two > materials will not conflict with each other. you really don't need to do > carbon fiber, but if it makes you sleep better at night ... > > -- > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Henry Rodriguez <heinzir(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Yep! > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Henry: > > > > > > from you photo it looks like your boat has/had a motor mount on the > > transom > > > (instead of using the cutout for the motor as Jerry & Lyly designed). > > > correct? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > > > -- Henry https://picasaweb.google.com/heinzir

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Re: M_Boats: Now What Have I Gotten Myself Into? Major Transom Repair
by bownez＠juno.com 01 Oct '14

01 Oct '14

Hi Henry, You are to be congratulated for bringing this ailing M17 back to life! She will look stunning with her new tanbark sails. Perhaps you and I and our M17s can meet and sail next season? Sailed Pepin yesterday, and needed to wear long underwear! Kudos. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

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