April 2013 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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replacement windows
by Bonnie Kostka 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

A while back someone mentioned where to buy replacement widows, Did anyone buy them & where did they buy them? Bonnie M15

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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steering M15 with motor
by John Ledger 01 May '13

01 May '13

I am pretty new at this (this is my first boat) and I am not sure why this happens and am probably doing something very basic wrong. When pulling away from the pier I need to turn immediately to port to go down the row of slips and get out of the marina. Leaving the pier at low speed I push the tiller and motor steering arm to starboard but the boat does not respond - simply does not turn to port - keeps moving forward - slowly. In order to avoid a collision I have to move tiller and motor steering hard to port at which point the boat seems to catch and turn immediately to the starboard - so I end up having to make a very tight loop before I can exit down the row. I have a 4 hp 2 stroke Johnson mounted on the port side of the tiller. I must be missing something. Any thoughts? John, Oregon

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Mystery sailboat
by bownez＠juno.com 01 May '13

01 May '13

Hi Gang, An old buddy of mine in northern Mn has just purchased a sailboat that has been sitting in storage for years. We are trying to find out about the company that made it, and nothing seems to be available. The boat is a sloop, 17 feet long, and looks a bit like a Cape Dory Typhoon. Supposedly it was mfg by Bay Runner, and the serial number is: BYN80542M805. I will assume this is hull #42, built in May, 1980. Can anyone shed any light on this? I'd like to help him get it seaworthy again. Thanks, Bones, ____________________________________________________________ Hawaiian Airlines - Official Site Book Non-Stop Travel Online Between Hawaii & 10 West Coast Cities. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51801db92f40a1db85acest01vuc

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Lake Winnebago, WI
by Jim Dahlquist 29 Apr '13

29 Apr '13

This looks like a nice lake for early sailing without the cold discomfort of Lake Michigan before early July (if that). I've never been there, but it looks net on the Google and the map. Has anyone been out there this year already this year? I am thinking mid May, while my wife is out of town for a week. I would welcome company, and/or any suggestions. My M15, bought last year is getting a new Lehr 5.0L propane outboard, Mainsail slugs. These and other items are going to include a look around at Larson Marine in Waukegan, IL and the sail maker in Racine, WI.(He said he would take care of the luff slugs for me while I wait an hour or two). So maybe I will find a marine store there too. Jim Dahlquist Palatine, IL jim(a)dhlqst.com

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any spare rudder gudgeons out there?
by Bruce Ward 28 Apr '13

28 Apr '13

Hi folks, I have an early vintage M17 #32 which has a non lifting rudder with only two gudgeons. I want to convert to an original lifting rudder set up. I am wondering if anyone has made a conversion to something new and has any rudder parts they might want to let go of. I'm on a pension and to buy and set up a new rig is beyond my budget. But, getting a used gudgeon would help me through on this ......thanks, Bruce

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Re: M_Boats: Lake Winnebago, WI
by bownez＠juno.com 28 Apr '13

28 Apr '13

Hi Jim, I have driven by Winnebago several times but have not sailed it. It is a fairly large body of water and the fetch from wind and waves could be high depending upon conditions. For a smaller body of water you could look at Lake Butte des Morts by Oshkosh that offers some areas for gunkholing or Lake Poygan. My DeLorme shows multiple boat ramps. Have fun, be safe. Bones, Mpls ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/517d273ad88c4273a0f29st04vuc

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M15 Ports
by George R. Iemmolo 25 Apr '13

25 Apr '13

I am in the process of having new Ports being cut to shape out of acrylic. I will have to drill mounting holes in the Ports is there any thing special I should be thinking about. I have been told to use a very dull drill and slow speeds. In addition when I removed the old Ports I found that there was what appeared to be felt gaskets between the Port and the cabin hull with very little if any sealing material around the edges. The gaskets seem to be good condition. Should I just remount the new Ports using the existing gaskets? George M15 #602 NoNameYet

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