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Grease for extension
by Tim Erwin 09 Jul '12

09 Jul '12

I use StarBrite trailer hitch lubricant with Teflon or ptef. It is clear and is impervious to salt water. It is sold by several companies. West marine is where I get it. Give it a try. Tim Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 09 Jul '12

09 Jul '12

Daniel, I have to remove my extension every time I put TwoCan in the garage just to allow the rollup door to clear on the way down. Yes the dang thing is heavy and must be something like 8' long...never measured. I could never envision needing more than 6' and thought about having a trailer place saw off a few feet to reduce weight. Anyway, I use whatever is handy, like a 5 Gallon paint bucket, as a fulcrum...simply pick up the hitch end of the extension and drag it over the top of the bucket until you have the leverage to push down and navigate the other end into the receiver. Once in, just slide until holes match then set pin. Reverse process to remove. I wish the trailer has stopper pins so that I could drive slightly fwd or back to extend or collapse at the ramp with holes aligned without unhitching the boat. A trailer design flaw. Have to instead: 1) set fwd wheel down 2) Unhitch 3) Remove pin 4) Move car 5) Slide extension 6) Move car back into new position 7) Lower hitch and secure 8) Front wheel up What a PITA ... So I don't often do it, instead my trailer extension is one hole further out than fully collapsed and that is the compromise that works for me. Neil ----- Reply message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 9:16 am Montypals: I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel

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Reefing
by Daniel Rich 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

OK, here is a link to my blog again: http://danielsailingandcycling.wordpress.com/2011/09/24/sailing-with-the-po… The video here has a description of my rigging that starts at about the 1:54 mark. I pan the camera around to look at it and explain it. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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Reefing system suggestion
by Tim Erwin 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

I'm starting from scratch installing a reefing system . I would appreciate any information y'all may have on different reefing systems you may have installed. Thanks, Tim Sent from my iPad

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Mainsail reefing again
by Tim Erwin 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

Thanks for all of your input. I've been sailing for 40 years and I know what reefing equipment looks like because I have reefed many different mainsails on large and small boats. This boat does not have any reefing gear, period. What I have gleaned from the discussion is that I will need to rig this boat for reefing myself, and I have the ability and knowledge to do this. My question for the manufacturer is this. The web page lists mainsail reefing as standard equipment. This boat built by NorSea doesn't have Any reefing equipment for the mainsail. I'm going to call the company tomorrow , or Mr. Eng you can chime in any time you wish. If reefing is so important on the M15 then this boat is incomplete. If not standard equipment, take it off of your web page under the list of standard equipment. That is my only point, this boat does not have any way of reefing the mainsail. Thanks, Tim Erwin # 641 Dark Star Sent from my iPad

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M-15 Reefing needs to be added!
by Hale Irwin 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

I have 2011 M-15.. TUN TAVERN. The boat comes without reefing. One block and cleat is for topping lift and other set for out-haul. I just added 2 cheeck blocks aft on each side of the boom and cleats forward on the boom and reef hook so It now is reefable and a lot easier to sail! Take a look at the forum: http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi/read/4839 >From Trailer Sailor Forum: While your mast guy has your boom I suggest he install cheek blocks and cleats for both points of reefing; also a reefing hook at the mast end of the boom. Your sail may need to have dog ears" sewn into the grommets on the luff of the sail . I just had this done..... Probably the most important addition I have done on this new boat..... SEMPER FI ........ Hale Home Office: 802-225-6341 Cell: 802-917-4132

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Video - Dauntless - Training Day for Border Run 2
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

Video Dauntless - Training day in Long Beach preparing for Border Run 2 _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_31yZGLfDI_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_31yZGLfDI)

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Fern Ridge July 14th.
by shipwrecked55＠yahoo.com 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

Hi Dennis There is camping at Richadrson park on the NW corrner of the lake. There is also a good ramp with dock there. Orchard Pt also has a launch ramp and ample parking. I will be launching at Richardson on the morning of the 14th. At this point, there is only plans for a day of sailing/ informal rases. If we get enough people involved, maybe we can do BBQ or a potluck in the evening. I will try to get down to the lake next week to check out the camping facilities and the mooring options. I'll report back here. You can contact me off line at shipwrecked55(at)yahoo(dot)com. Terry M15 #302

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Topping Lift
by Jeffrey Johnston 07 Jul '12

07 Jul '12

My Monty 15 is the first sailboat I've had with no topping lift. Our first sail was yesterday (great fun) and I have a question. We rig in the launch parking lot, launch the boat, motor out the channel to open water, hoist sail and the fun begins. With no topping lift, the boom simply lays down in the cockpit on one of the seats. Although workable, it takes up a fair amount of space and is a bit awkward. Am I missing something insofar as doing it this way. What do you all do and use to alleviate this? Might the main halyard be used to hold up the boom during this motoring time? Or, am I just being to bothered by a small detail? * * *Jeff+* Molōn labe!

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Re: M_Boats: M15 reefing and storm jib-other thoughts
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 06 Jul '12

06 Jul '12

Thanks Daniel, very generous offer. I am going to have crew for the race event on Saturday so should be fine. If breezes are light could be an advantage. If I am single handing on Thursday or Friday and its blowing hard I'll put up my old McKibbin jib. Not pretty but works in a pinch (no pun) Neil ----- Reply message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 reefing and storm jib-other thoughts Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2012 9:03 pm I remember that jib. I have an extra original that you could borrow for the Cruiser Challenge if you want. Just let me know. I could Fedex it or you could come by. Daniel On Jul 5, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Neil Dorf wrote: > > > My adjusters are indeed on the forward holes. I think that also my primary jib is too much sail. It's a lapper and deck sweeper. Need to bite the bullet and buy new working jib, storm jib, and for that matter a new main. Unfortunately will not happen for Cruiser Challenge. > > > On Jul 5, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I keep the rig fairly loose like a dinghy. >> >> A backstay is nice, especially with a full rig such as an M17. But the M15 is a fractional rig, and much simpler. I prefer the simplicity of the rig for stepping the mast etc. >> >> In terms of weather helm, actually, I think raking the mast forward reduces weather helm. In the M15 the center of effort is behind the center of rotation, so that the big main pushes to weather. The farther forward the main relative to the center of rotation, the less weather helm you have. The jib obviously reduces weather helm, as it is far in front of the center of rotation. So, dropping the jib and proceeding on main alone causes massive weather helm. >> >> On TwoCan do you have the shrouds in the fore or aft holes in the chain plate? If they are in the aft holes, I'd move 'em forward if you have too much weather hell. Many on this board are much smarter than me about this, so I'd get another opinion about that! Of course it is all a matter of balance, length of the shrouds etc. >> >> Daniel >> On Jul 5, 2012, at 5:43 PM, ndorf(a)surfbest.net wrote: >> >>> Daniel, question for you and for the group. >>> >>> How tight are you fixing your forestay to the chain adjuster? I used >>> to make the mistake when stepping the mast of getting that stay as >>> tight as I could, thinking at the time that tighter was better. I was >>> creating a mast rake of a few degrees forward. In retrospect I think >>> that had the effect of perhaps giving me a little more pointing >>> ability but added weather helm with it. And I think it compromised >>> sailing off the wind. >>> >>> Jerry chime in, but I think the M15 was meant to be a "looser" rig, >>> and I have noticed a little less weather helm since I got into the >>> practice of not tightening up the forestay on the chain adjuster >>> quite so much...just enough for a little "play". >>> >>> Sometimes I wish I did have a backstay, as I learned sailing with >>> Dave on his boat that a little tightening on the backstay created >>> some "bend" in the mast (not total angle from the tabernacle--just >>> some bend near the top) that had a remarkable effect on reducing >>> weather helm on the tiller. Not an easy mod to do on an M15 with the >>> traveler in the way, so I don't expect I would try. >>> >>> Keep those videos coming, Doc! >>> >>> -Neil >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >

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