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M-17 Spreader Question
by Randy 03 Apr '12

03 Apr '12

Hi, I need to replace the spreaders on my 1978 M-17. My current spreaders are 24" long and mounted on a rotating SS"U" brackets. Dwyermast has 1" diameter tubes that are 31" long. Of course I could cut them down to 24" but would like to know what the original or recommended spreader length is. Also, is there any feeling about the mount. Dwyermast has a fixed plug for sale for the 1" spreader. While the U bracket is convenient for taking down and putting up the mast, is there any structural difference. In rough weather, I have noticed that sometimes the spreaders lose their set. Thanks in advance for any perspective. Randy Wirth -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:05 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 109, Issue 26 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. be aware if you have M 15 and are getting a new jib (Flickasf) 2. Re: be aware if you have M 15 and are getting a new jib (W David Scobie) 3. Re: M17 Storm Sails (Judith Blumhorst, DC) 4. Re: M17 Storm Sails (W David Scobie) 5. sailplans for Monty 15 (Karen and Smiley) 6. Sail Measurements Confusion (Jeffrey Johnston) 7. Re: Sail Measurements Confusion (jerry montgomery) 8. Re: Sail Measurements Confusion (jerry montgomery) 9. Re: Sail Measurements Confusion (Jeffrey Johnston) 10. Re: Sail Measurements Confusion (Judith Blumhorst, DC) 11. Re: Sail Measurements Confusion (jerry montgomery) 12. Re: Sail Measurements Confusion (Judith Blumhorst, DC) 13. Re: Sail Measurements Confusion (Judith Blumhorst, DC) 14. Fw: Sail Measurements Confusion (Judith Blumhorst, DC) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: be aware if you have M 15 and are getting a new jib Message-ID: <8CEDC2F7275A8EF-11C0-2034(a)webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Note: if you are getting a new jib made for a M 15 be aware that the forestays on the earlier boats, perhaps all of Jerry's, have a slightly shorter forestay. I had Pettison make one for me using the measurements from Bob's new 15's (I ordered the sail in 2010) and it had to be shortened. Bert Felton ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:10:04 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: be aware if you have M 15 and are getting a new jib Message-ID: <1333073404.98009.YahooMailClassic(a)web162701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 do as Bert says, there are differences between the rigs over the years and possibly from a modification from a prior owners. the Glessers had Bert's experience with they purchased a new set of sails for their M15. measure your current set of sails to 'get an idea' of the 'ballpark numbers'. not 100% perfect because your old sails are likely stretched. it is best to get rig measurements from the boat when she is rigged. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Flickasf <flickasf(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Note:? if you are getting a new > jib made for a M 15 be aware that the forestays on the earlier boats, > perhaps all of Jerry's, have a slightly shorter forestay.? I had > Pettison make one for me using the measurements from Bob's new 15's (I > ordered the sail in > 2010) and it had to be shortened. > > > Bert Felton > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:17:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Storm Sails Message-ID: <1333073841.23507.YahooMailNeo(a)web5707.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Nope.? The 128% goes on the M15, Jerry's rig dimensions and sailplan works out to 151 square feet with a (theoretical) 100% jib.? His plans for the M17 show: 170% with a luff of 22.42 (about 95-ish percent of max forestay length)? 150% with a luff of 22.42'? (the luff would have to be a little shorter for use on a roller furler.) 109% with a luff of 21.5' 80% with a luff of 19.25' 60% with a luff of 12' However, Bob Eeg has given me slightly different dimensions for his M17 rig so the sails are dimensioned ever so slightly differently.?? Bob's changes to the rig works means it pencils out at 148 sf.? ? The most significant difference is that his OEM 109% jibs are about a foot shorter on the luff.? Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Storm Sails Is the storm jib the 80%? And the "working jib" the 128%? Jeff On Mar 29, 2012 6:33 PM, "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: > Joe- the storm jib is on the sailplan, which Harry and judy have.? > It's pretty small but works great.? You can sail upwind with the storm > jib and a single-reefed main in a 25 knot wind and point hi and go like crazy. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" > <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.** > xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 1:58 PM > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Storm Sails > > > Does anyone have a storm sail? If so, where did you get it and how >much did you pay for it? How do you fly it? Do you have a separate >track? Boy, that sounds pretty nosey of me. > Thanks > Joe > SeaFrog >? ----- Original Message -----? From: W David Scobie ? To: For and >about Montgomery Sailboats ? Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:23 PM ? >Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Foresail Size?? > > >? the jib currently made by Elliot/Pattison Sailmakers for the M15 is 128%. > get a jib the size that E/P is now making. > >? for your quoted wind speeds, as you stated, a second reef point is >nice insurance.? in my opinion (IMO) you should tuck in a second reef >when the wind goes about 17/18 knots on the M15.? once the wind gets >above the low-ish 20s you need a smaller jib. > > >? :: Dave Scobie >? :: former M15 owner - >www.freewebs.com/m15-named-**scred<http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-sc >red> ? :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com ? :: Sage Marine - >www.sagemarine.com > >? --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> wrote: >? > >? > If I'm to order new main and jib for ? > my Monty 15 (which I'm >likely to do ? > soon): >? > >? > What size range (100%, 110%, 120%, etc) jib makes the most ? > >sense. I believe ? > the boat came standard with a 100%. I can only >afford one ? > jib at present. >? > >? > My sailing will be primarily near shore Great Lakes (Lake ? > >Huron, Tawas Bay, ? > North Channel, Georgian Bay) and smaller inland >lakes. I'm ? > guessing my ? > winds typically to be 5-18 MPH. My main >will have two ? > reefs. >? > >? > Thanks for any and all advice. >? > >? > >? > *Jeff+* >? > Mol?n labe! >? > > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 6334 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 20:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Storm Sails Message-ID: <1333077850.42625.YahooMailClassic(a)web162703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 first time i read judy's post i got confused for a second and thought ... WOW that reads like a lot of sail on an M15.? a second reading i saw that there is a 'boat being discussed' change between the first and second paragraphs. i use the word 'about' as each loft will cut the sail just a bit differently. M15 has about 122 sq.ft. of sail in the 'working' configuration (full main and 128% jib). a jerry M17 has about 151 sq.ft. based on judy's report (or 154 sq ft on jerry's brochure) in 'working' configuration (full main and 100% jib) remember that the M15 is really 'powered' by the main.? put two reefs in the main before going to a storm jib.? don't luff the main on the M15 ... she doesn't handle this well because of her lack of a backstay. it is no fun doing a headsail change on an M15 when the seas and wind have increased.? keep in mind before leaving the dock and you 'think' you may need the storm jib.? best to go out and change to a larger jib in seas and wind that are decreasing. the M15 will sail well with a double reefed main and a 128% jib just above 20kts of wind.? in my opinion the M15 will not sail well to weather under jib or main alone ... you need both sails pulling! :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Judith Blumhorst, DC <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> wrote: > > Nope.? The 128% goes on the M15, > Jerry's rig dimensions and sailplan works out to 151 square feet with > a (theoretical) 100% jib.? His plans for the M17 > show: > > 170% with a luff of 22.42 (about 95-ish percent of max forestay > length)? > 150% with a luff of 22.42'? (the luff would have to be a little > shorter for use on a roller furler.) 109% with a luff of 21.5' > 80% with a luff of 19.25' > 60% with a luff of 12' > > However, Bob Eeg has given me slightly different dimensions for his > M17 rig so the sails are dimensioned ever so slightly differently.?? > Bob's changes to the rig works means it pencils out at 148 sf.? ? The > most significant difference is that his OEM 109% jibs are about a foot > shorter on the luff.? > > > Judy Blumhorst > Hyde Sails of Northern California > www.judybsails.com?? > judy(a)judybsails.com > > > cell: 925.208.1692 > fax: 925.820.2327 > skype: judith.blumhorst > www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica > ? > > > > ________________________________ >? From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:43 PM ? > Is the storm jib the 80%? And the "working jib" the 128%? > > Jeff > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 07:10:11 -0400 From: "Karen and Smiley" <magoo252(a)comcast.net> To: "Montgomery Sailboat Forum" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: sailplans for Monty 15 Message-ID: <001301cd0e65$aecbf3e0$0c63dba0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Last year after my used purchase of M 15 #616 I sent my old sails to Dr Judy B and she measured them, she made me a new set of Hyde sails which are just superb. For insurance sake I went ahead and bought a new Potter 15 jib to use as insurance as a storm jib. I had done something similar for my Precision 21 and probably used that storm jib twice if my memory serves me right so the storm jib to me was plan B and nothing else. Got two reef points on the main sail. Judy B knows her stuff and she'd get my vote as the new old kid on the block cutting sails for Monties. New crisp well cut sails make any sailboat hummmm, I won't sail without a good well made suit of canvas..thanks Judy B J Smiley, Another Wrinkle M15 #616 magoo252(a)comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:48:37 -0500 From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <CAFS5qAtz1qLdti2CqZP7aTqRc7P8yx+DLaYfXoBFgy=-DkNK6g(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail measurements or not. I already have determined that it is a bit different than some specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" (Hull 176 - 1981). My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to guesstimate where that sheer line would be on our 15's. Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having sails made? Jeff PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:59:57 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <769CCC23E5414C189BB2351A71C8919E@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=original Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer. You pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to the point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with it. You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you? It should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan. #176 would be one of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length. If it's longer than that, its got to be an aftermarket mast. I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but that was the M-12 I was thinking of. Hope this helps. If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a sailplan off the internet. If not, have them email me. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail measurements or not. I already have determined that it is a bit different than some specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" (Hull 176 - 1981). My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to guesstimate where that sheer line would be on our 15's. Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having sails made? Jeff PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:36:47 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <ED456B1D813344BABEAE5D6AC90C9751@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="utf-8"; reply-type="response" Whoops, another typo- the mast should be 19', not 10, unless you really want to go slow. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion > Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer. You > pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need > to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to > the point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with > it. You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. > > When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you? It > should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan. #176 would be one > of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the > extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length. If it's longer than that, > its got to be an aftermarket mast. > > I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but > that was the M-12 I was thinking of. Hope this helps. > > If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a > sailplan off the internet. If not, have them email me. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion > > > I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail > measurements or not. > > I already have determined that it is a bit different than some > specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" > (Hull 176 - 1981). > > My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to > measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). > Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no > cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to > guesstimate > where that sheer line would be on our 15's. > > Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having > sails made? > > Jeff > > PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. > Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. > > *Jeff+* > Mol?n labe! > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6335 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:56:29 -0500 From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <CAFS5qAviPw-61xZYkevScKumiMoF-nEmd7VPrYdYtb8Om-H6vw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Jerry, You are a treat to have handy! Not sure what you mean when you state that: *"You didn't include the masthead did you? It should be 10' even".* I measured top to bottom (excluding any windex, etc.) Not sure what you are referring to as the "masthead"? The specs say that the J should be 15'4". I get 13'8" down to the cabin top. Do you think I'd get the additional 1'8" (to equal 15'4") if we added the distance down to the extended line. If so, then I'd be right on. Many thanks! *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! * * On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:59 AM, jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org > wrote: > Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer. You > pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need > to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to the > point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with it. > You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. > > When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you? It > should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan. #176 would be one > of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the > extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length. If it's longer than that, its > got to be an aftermarket mast. > > I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but > that was the M-12 I was thinking of. Hope this helps. > > If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a > sailplan off the internet. If not, have them email me. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.c om> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion > > > I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail > measurements or not. > > I already have determined that it is a bit different than some > specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" > (Hull 176 - 1981). > > My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to > measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). > Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no > cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to guesstimate > where that sheer line would be on our 15's. > > Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having > sails made? > > Jeff > > PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. > Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. > > *Jeff+* > Mol?n labe! > > > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <1333214821.24857.YahooMailNeo(a)web5716.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 For those of you who wonder what measurements you need to supply to a sail maker, there are two answers.? If you're looking for a quotation, all you need to supply is the I, J,P and E.? If you're off by a couple of inches it won't matter in terms of price.? (In terms of design, 3" on the luff is Once you have chosen your sailmaker, you need to supply a lot more measurement.? However, if the sailmaker has made lots of the same sail before, they may not need all of the measurements.? We usually have a "stock" design that will fit most boats.?? Here are the links to the measurement forms I use.? There are a lot of measurements that go into the design of the sail, include matching mast rake, bow shear, location of genoa tracks, etc.? Headsail measurement form - pdfMainsail measurement form - pdf Headsail measurement form - xlsm Mainsail measurement form -xlxm ? Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer.? You pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to the point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with it. You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you?? It should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan.? #176 would be one of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length.? If it's longer than that, its got to be an aftermarket mast. I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but that was the M-12 I was thinking of.? Hope this helps. If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a sailplan off the internet.? If not, have them email me. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail measurements or not. I already have determined that it is a bit different than some specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" (Hull 176 - 1981). My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to guesstimate where that sheer line would be on our 15's. Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having sails made? Jeff PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:29:15 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <FBD918D56072429D97CFDF2ADED831CA@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="utf-8"; reply-type="original" The masthead is the little casting that goes on the top of the mast! When we say the mast is 19', we're talking about just the extrusion, which does n ot include the masthead. When I said 10', it was a typo- I meant 19' (do as I mean, not as I say) Someone famous once said that, but my mind is having another typo and I can't remember who. I don't think it was me! I'm best known for saying "I may be stupid, but I'm not REAL stupid" The addition of 20" seems about right. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Jerry, You are a treat to have handy! Not sure what you mean when you state that: *"You didn't include the masthead did you? It should be 10' even".* I measured top to bottom (excluding any windex, etc.) Not sure what you are referring to as the "masthead"? The specs say that the J should be 15'4". I get 13'8" down to the cabin top. Do you think I'd get the additional 1'8" (to equal 15'4") if we added the distance down to the extended line. If so, then I'd be right on. Many thanks! *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! * * On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:59 AM, jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org > wrote: > Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer. You > pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need > to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to > the > point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with it. > You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. > > When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you? It > should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan. #176 would be one > of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the > extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length. If it's longer than that, > its > got to be an aftermarket mast. > > I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but > that was the M-12 I was thinking of. Hope this helps. > > If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a > sailplan off the internet. If not, have them email me. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> > To: > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.c om> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion > > > I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail > measurements or not. > > I already have determined that it is a bit different than some > specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" > (Hull 176 - 1981). > > My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to > measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). > Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no > cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to > guesstimate > where that sheer line would be on our 15's. > > Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having > sails made? > > Jeff > > PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. > Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. > > *Jeff+* > Mol?n labe! > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6335 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <1333215035.51433.YahooMailNeo(a)web5717.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Those links to measurement instruction got stripped by the mailserver.? Here they are again, in cut and paste form: ftp://Jb1umh0rst@ftp.judybsails.com/Jb1umh0rst/vspfiles/knowlegebase/measure mentforms/HydeNorcal-Genoa-Measurement-v120332.pdf ftp://Jb1umh0rst@ftp.judybsails.com/Jb1umh0rst/vspfiles/knowlegebase/measure mentforms/HydeNorcal-Genoa-Measurement-v120332.xlsm ftp://Jb1umh0rst@ftp.judybsails.com/Jb1umh0rst/vspfiles/knowlegebase/measure mentforms/HydeNorcal-Mainsail-Measurement-V20111113.pdf ftp://Jb1umh0rst@ftp.judybsails.com/Jb1umh0rst/vspfiles/knowlegebase/measure mentforms/HydeNorcal-Mainsail-Measurement-V20111113.xlsm Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion For those of you who wonder what measurements you need to supply to a sail maker, there are two answers.? If you're looking for a quotation, all you need to supply is the I, J,P and E.? If you're off by a couple of inches it won't matter in terms of price.? (In terms of design, 3" on the luff is Once you have chosen your sailmaker, you need to supply a lot more measurement.? However, if the sailmaker has made lots of the same sail before, they may not need all of the measurements.? We usually have a "stock" design that will fit most boats.?? Here are the links to the measurement forms I use.? There are a lot of measurements that go into the design of the sail, include matching mast rake, bow shear, location of genoa tracks, etc.? Headsail measurement form - pdfMainsail measurement form - pdf Headsail measurement form - xlsm Mainsail measurement form -xlxm ? Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer.? You pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to the point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with it. You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you?? It should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan.? #176 would be one of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length.? If it's longer than that, its got to be an aftermarket mast. I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but that was the M-12 I was thinking of.? Hope this helps. If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a sailplan off the internet.? If not, have them email me. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail measurements or not. I already have determined that it is a bit different than some specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" (Hull 176 - 1981). My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to guesstimate where that sheer line would be on our 15's. Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having sails made? Jeff PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:01:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <1333216889.89925.YahooMailNeo(a)web5707.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 ? Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ (The third time is the charm, I hope.? Links to downloadable forms are below) If all you want is a quotation, the IJP and E are adequate.? Once you accept the sailmakers quote, the sailmaker will send you a form with the geometry they want and are used to using. Here are measurement forms showing the measurements I require for a custom-fitted sail.? There's enough data here for me to figure out missing measurement using geometry.??? In my experience, customers who measure their rigs before asking the sailmaker for a measurement form don't provide the right geometry to design a sail.? If you send me a different set of measurements, I'm going to require that you fill out this form anyway, following my instructions.? I'm used to doing the geometry a certain way. Headsail measurement forms: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Genoa-Measurem ent-v120332.pdf http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Genoa-Measurem ent-v120332.xlsm Mainsail measurement forms: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Mainsail-Measu rement-V20111113.pdf http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Mainsail-Measu rement-V20111113.xlsm Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion For those of you who wonder what measurements you need to supply to a sail maker, there are two answers.? If you're looking for a quotation, all you need to supply is the I, J,P and E.? If you're off by a couple of inches it won't matter in terms of price.? (In terms of design, 3" on the luff is Once you have chosen your sailmaker, you need to supply a lot more measurement.? However, if the sailmaker has made lots of the same sail before, they may not need all of the measurements.? We usually have a "stock" design that will fit most boats.?? Here are the links to the measurement forms I use.? There are a lot of measurements that go into the design of the sail, include matching mast rake, bow shear, location of genoa tracks, etc.? Headsail measurement form - pdfMainsail measurement form - pdf Headsail measurement form - xlsm Mainsail measurement form -xlxm ? Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer.? You pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to the point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with it. You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you?? It should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan.? #176 would be one of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length.? If it's longer than that, its got to be an aftermarket mast. I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but that was the M-12 I was thinking of.? Hope this helps. If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a sailplan off the internet.? If not, have them email me. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail measurements or not. I already have determined that it is a bit different than some specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" (Hull 176 - 1981). My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to guesstimate where that sheer line would be on our 15's. Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having sails made? Jeff PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:04:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Fw: Sail Measurements Confusion Message-ID: <1333217081.68425.YahooMailNeo(a)web5717.biz.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 (The third time is the charm, I hope.? Links to downloadable forms are below) If all you want is a quotation, the IJP and E are adequate.? Once you accept the sailmakers quote, the sailmaker will send you a form with thegeometry they want and are used to using. Here are measurement forms showing the measurements I require for a custom-fitted sail.? There's enough data here for me to figure out missing measurement using geometry.??? In my experience, customers who measure their rigs before asking the sailmaker for a measurement form don't provide the right geometry to design a sail.? If you send me a different set of measurements, I'm going to require that you fill out this form anyway, following my instructions.? I'm used to doing the geometry a certain way. Headsail measurement forms: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Genoa-Measurem ent-v120332.pdf http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Genoa-Measurem ent-v120332.xlsm Mainsail measurement forms: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Mainsail-Measu rement-V20111113.pdf http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20774907/measurement-forms/HydeNorcal-Mainsail-Measu rement-V20111113.xlsm Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb(a)blumhorst.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion For those of you who wonder what measurements you need to supply to a sail maker, there are two answers.? If you're looking for a quotation, all you need to supply is the I, J,P and E.? If you're off by a couple of inches it won't matter in terms of price.? (In terms of design, 3" on the luff is Once you have chosen your sailmaker, you need to supply a lot more measurement.? However, if the sailmaker has made lots of the same sail before, they may not need all of the measurements.? We usually have a "stock" design that will fit most boats.?? Here are the links to the measurement forms I use.? There are a lot of measurements that go into the design of the sail, include matching mast rake, bow shear, location of genoa tracks, etc.? Headsail measurement form - pdfMainsail measurement form - pdf Headsail measurement form - xlsm Mainsail measurement form -xlxm ? Judy Blumhorst Hyde Sails of Northern California www.judybsails.com?? judy(a)judybsails.com cell: 925.208.1692 fax: 925.820.2327 skype: judith.blumhorst www.HydeSails.com/NorthAmerica ? ________________________________ From: jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 7:59 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion Actually, it goes down to the extended deck line, not the sheer.? You pretty much need a sailplan drawing to do it accurately, because you need to project the deck line aft, on the centerline, ignoring the house, to the point where the extended front edge of the mast would intersect with it. You use the same imaginary point for calculating the J. When you measured the mast, you didn't include the masthead, did you?? It should be 10' even; I just doublechecked the sailplan.? #176 would be one of the boats that I made, and I used to buy the masts directly from the extruder, 1000 lbs at a time, cut to length.? If it's longer than that, its got to be an aftermarket mast. I told someone incorrectly, a while back, that the mast was 19'6", but that was the M-12 I was thinking of.? Hope this helps. If you have decided on a sailmaker, I understand that he/she can get a sailplan off the internet.? If not, have them email me. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Johnston" <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 5:48 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sail Measurements Confusion I am attempting to measure my M15 to determine if it is "standard" sail measurements or not. I already have determined that it is a bit different than some specifications given for mast length: my mast length appears to be 19'2" (Hull 176 - 1981). My confusion lies in the "I" measurement. Some measuring guides tell me to measure from the jib halyard block down to the deck (the cabin top). Another says to measure down to the deck sheer line (as if there were no cabin). Not sure how one would get that number in an attempt to guesstimate where that sheer line would be on our 15's. Which of these is the correct "I" measurement for a sail loft when having sails made? Jeff PS - It appears that I may never run out of questions for this group. Thankful that this group is so patient and helpful. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 109, Issue 26 *************************************************

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reefing
by Kevin Lynch 03 Apr '12

03 Apr '12

I've been reading the archives about reefing and Jerry's insistence on always using both sails. My M15, #200 has reefing points on the jib and a double pulley at the bow for one takedown line to drop the whole jib and a second line to drop it to the reefing point. I have not tried this because it seems too impractical. Sure, I can lower the jib to the reef point but then I'd have to go forward to secure the bottom of the jib and on top of that my jib sheets are tied to the bottom clew so I would have to have a way to quickly change to the upper clew. Has anyone tried this? I can see starting out with a reefed jib if it is really windy but to do it on the water in a building wind does not seem wise. Kevin M15 #200, Wee Fun

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Spreader replacement
by Randy 03 Apr '12

03 Apr '12

Hi All, I need to replace my spreaders on my old 1978 M-17. I have round tubes that are mounted on a U shaped SS bracket. They have been fine for all these years in even very rough wind&wave. However, I notice that the Dwyer website(www.dwyermast.com DM-6)shows a different mounting bracket, a round steel insert that fits into the tube on the mast end and is bolted to the mast. It also shows a 1" diameter round tube spreader. I would appreciate any feedback on whether I should replace the spreader mount along with the spreaders. While the U bracket allows for easy adjustment of the spreaders fore and aft, it may not be safe if the spreaders fall back too far during adverse conditions. I have noticed that this has happened and realize that the structural support of the mast and rig depends on the spreaders remaining within a reasonable range. All the Best, Randy M-17 "Fore Play" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:23 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 110, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: motors (pam and dana) 2. Re: motors (Doug Kelch) 3. 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Re: sailplans for Monty 15 (Robert Hall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:27:45 -0700 From: pam and dana <denko(a)broadstripe.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: motors Message-ID: <FC193C57-E6CE-418E-BEA5-7A00D427CA15(a)broadstripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Going back to the motor thread: We are unable to lift the Nissan 4hp motor up and down for the "new" 1981 boat we just bought. Home sailing ground is Port Townsend, Wa and the Sound is full of currents and tides to work against. Summer sailing is not the windiest time of year but the currents remain and I am concerned that we have a big enough motor. Has anyone used a pulley system off a stern rail to lift the motor in place? We have the cut out transom. Pam On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote: > Connie, > As usual, you and others in the group have provided valuable data to > chew on. You all have a nice day. > Tom > > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote: > >> On 28-Mar-12 8:07 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> Some years ago, an owner of an M17 - without a motor - had to take >> his M17 up the Thames River to a launch ramp. >> >> I had an M15 with a 2 HP HONDA. >> >> I took the HONDA 2 HP to New London, CT and mounted it on the M17. >> >> With four adults in the cockpit, we went upriver against the outgoing >> tide and the HONDA 2 HP had no problem with that load. >> >> Could we tow a water skier? No. But 3 to 4 Knots upstream with four >> adults in the cockpit is acceptable performance as far as I'm >> concerned. >> >> Connie >> ex M15 #400 LEPPO >>> It seems as if my back no longer likes lifting a 50 lb Honda 5 from >>> the car to the transom of my M17. Has anyone out there used an >>> air-cooled Honda 2 hp 4 stroke with success on such a boat? If so, >>> what kinds of speeds can you cruise a few miles at, and what is the >>> approximate fuel consumption at speed? I certainly don't want to >>> run more motor than I have to. (Dave Scobie, I think you ran a >>> small motor on Air Born in the San Juans, but I can't remember the >>> details.) Thanks a bunch,) >>> >>> Tom Jenkins >>> M17 Scintilla >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: motors Message-ID: <1333227730.11300.YahooMailNeo(a)web120505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Pam, Can't say I have done it but if you do it from there it will be a two person job.? The stern rail isn't far enough outboard for a direct lift. You would need one person to hold the motor off of the transom while the other person hauls on the tackle.? You might consider making an arm, attached to a pole that has pintles to match the gudeons. Once the mast is up you can replace the? mast carrier with the hoist arm contraption. The mast carrier you have may be strong enough for an attachment but....? Just food for thought. Doug Kelch, "Seas the Day" M15 G #310 ________________________________ From: pam and dana <denko(a)broadstripe.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: motors Going back to the motor thread: We are unable to lift the Nissan 4hp motor up and down for the "new" 1981 boat we just bought.? Home sailing ground is Port Townsend, Wa and the Sound is full of currents and tides to work against.? Summer sailing is not the windiest time of year but the currents remain and I am concerned that we have a big enough motor.? Has anyone used a pulley system off a stern rail to lift the motor in place? We have the cut out transom. Pam On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote: > Connie, > As usual, you and others in the group have provided valuable data to chew on.? You all have a nice day. > Tom > > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote: > >> On 28-Mar-12 8:07 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> Some years ago, an owner of an M17 - without a motor - had to take his M17 up the Thames River to a launch ramp. >> >> I had an M15 with a 2 HP HONDA. >> >> I took the HONDA 2 HP to New London, CT and mounted it on the M17. >> >> With four adults in the cockpit, we went upriver against the outgoing tide and the HONDA 2 HP had no problem with that load. >> >> Could we tow a water skier?? No.? But 3 to 4 Knots upstream with four adults in the cockpit is acceptable performance as far as I'm concerned. >> >> Connie >> ex M15 #400 LEPPO >>> It seems as if my back no longer likes lifting a 50 lb Honda 5 from >>> the car to the transom of my M17.? Has anyone out there used an >>> air-cooled Honda 2 hp 4 stroke with success on such a boat?? If so, >>> what kinds of speeds can you cruise a few miles at, and what is the >>> approximate fuel consumption at speed?? I certainly don't want to >>> run more motor than I have to.? (Dave Scobie, I think you ran a >>> small motor on Air Born in the San Juans, but I can't remember the >>> details.) Thanks a bunch,) >>> >>> Tom Jenkins >>> M17 Scintilla >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 From: "Beowulf" <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <35BC27F3992C4431B9E5DA5FE20DC33B@Mike> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? Mike Hall M15 #167 "Dreki" Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <1333245177.74636.YahooMailClassic(a)web162701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 the compression post in the M17 doesn't need to be stainless steel. the compression post is actually two pieces - one from the v-berth to the cabin top.? a second section is under the v-berth. on SWEET PEA the section between the v-berth and the cabin top is a round aluminum tube about 3" diameter (i've not measured it ... just banged it with my head, shoulders, arms ...).? not sure the wall thickness. the lower section is a short section of mast (even has the sail slug grove). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sat, 3/31/12, Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> wrote: > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the > pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:01:01 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <FCBDAD133C32474EAAC6C714EF895E01@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" If it's a boat I made, and if it's an aluminum tube, it's 2 1/4" OD jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beowulf" <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? Mike Hall M15 #167 "Dreki" Tustin, CA -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6336 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:06:15 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "montgomery forum" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) Message-ID: <4072D6A14B1147A9B7DFBCF749A1F67B@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi Dave- What are you doing working on Sat? jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6336 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:39:48 -0400 From: "Tod" <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <003001cd0fb0$b4c65550$1e52fff0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On mine, #408, it is made of a section of mast, iirc. I wrapped it with blue sleeping pad and covered that with upholstery, Velcro-ed in place. Makes touching it while sleeping less of a waker-upper. http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/htmills/images/LF-BuscaCabinFwd.jpg Tod > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W > David Scobie > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:53 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > the compression post in the M17 doesn't need to be stainless steel. > > the compression post is actually two pieces - one from the v-berth to > the cabin top.? a second section is under the v-berth. > > on SWEET PEA the section between the v-berth and the cabin top is a > round aluminum tube about 3" diameter (i've not measured it ... just > banged it with my head, shoulders, arms ...).? not sure the wall > thickness. > > the lower section is a short section of mast (even has the sail slug > grove). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > > > --- On Sat, 3/31/12, Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the > > pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > > > Mike Hall > > M15 #167 "Dreki" > > Tustin, CA > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:53:43 -0700 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <BLU162-W31491743FBEBEAEA1055C5B74F0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have no compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:34:40 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <165A81E5186B4C8897D421D124B572C4@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have no compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:02:53 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <001101cd1010$21f3a830$65daf890$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 It has always been a vague back brain plan for me to somehow remove that comp post and fab a 'deckhead' arch/brace or a deckbeam of some kind. I saw a 20 foot Beneteau that has something like this.... Tim of the North ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:09:20 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <B5BCF59BF07D4EA9BFD04FC68DA0C5E3@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree. Fabricating something using a cold molded approach is doable, but if Bob has a pattern to use, that would be a great start. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Diebert To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post >Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 It has always been a vague back brain plan for me to somehow remove that comp post and fab a 'deckhead' arch/brace or a deckbeam of some kind. I saw a 20 foot Beneteau that has something like this.... Tim of the North ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:11:46 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Interior Paint Message-ID: <E0355ED7482A4329A627022F5D1CB51F@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd like to paint the interior of my M17. I don't want to get too glossy. Any suggestions what is the best thing to use??? Thanks, Joe SeaFrog M17 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:37:04 -0700 From: "Beowulf" <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <2A78A6FF05E04A0EB52D2A8842EE888A@Mike> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I have a 31 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the original owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I have not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up (the way I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig to the three point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested that I add a post. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that I need to add this post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression post that did not appear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now that I have received responses from my group question, is to get a compression post from Bob Eeg and modify it to fit in my M15. I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good suggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope to see you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage to having a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. Just know that I like it. Thanks, Mike Hall M15 #167 "Dreki" Tustin, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have no compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: eisenee(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <8CEDE6F608CCE1A-1458-D128(a)Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The old McGregors had a mahogany 2x2 comp post , my 1992 Monty has a mast extrusion. I would think an oak 2x2 would do the job and cost less them ss Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I have a 1 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the riginal owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I ave not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up (the ay I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig to the hree point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested that I add a ost. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that I need to add his post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression post that did not ppear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now that I have received esponses from my group question, is to get a compression post from Bob Eeg nd modify it to fit in my M15. I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good uggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope to ee you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage to aving a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. Just know hat I like it. Thanks, Mike Hall 15 #167 "Dreki" ustin, CA ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> ent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post ob, hat are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution omething that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? oe eaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have o compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless teel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:55:54 -0400 From: "Tod" <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <008f01cd105a$97d34980$c779dc80$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Wooden handrailing section? Porch railing spindle? Wood would be "warmer" than metal... Tod > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > eisenee(a)aol.com > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:39 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > > The old McGregors had a mahogany 2x2 comp post , my 1992 Monty has a > mast extrusion. I would think an oak 2x2 would do the job and cost less > them ss > > Eldor > M17 Motu iti > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > > Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I > have a > 1 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the > riginal owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I > ave not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up > (the ay I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig > to the hree point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested > that I add a ost. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that > I need to add his post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression > post that did not ppear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now > that I have received esponses from my group question, is to get a > compression post from Bob Eeg nd modify it to fit in my M15. > I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good > uggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope > to ee you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. > PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage > to aving a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. > Just know hat I like it. > Thanks, > Mike Hall > 15 #167 "Dreki" > ustin, CA > ----- Original Message ----- > rom: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> > o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > ent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM > ubject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > ob, > hat are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new > solution omething that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? > oe > eaFrog #651 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Eeg > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hi Mike > I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s > have o compression post. > I have some tubes if you need one. > Bob > Montgomery boats. > (949) 489-8227 > > > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 > Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size > is of the M17 Stainless teel compression post? > > > > Mike Hall > > M15 #167 "Dreki" > > Tustin, CA > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:58:01 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <2A196AFD6FA14B19B3CB95A965DD855F@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" When I used to buy mast extrusions 100 lbs at a time I'd always get two or three twisted ones, and I'd chop them up anmd use them for mast posts. I 'd agree with Eldor- go to Home Depot and get a hardwood 2X2. Varnish it up and it'll be good to go. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <eisenee(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post The old McGregors had a mahogany 2x2 comp post , my 1992 Monty has a mast extrusion. I would think an oak 2x2 would do the job and cost less them ss Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I have a 1 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the riginal owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I ave not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up (the ay I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig to the hree point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested that I add a ost. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that I need to add his post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression post that did not ppear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now that I have received esponses from my group question, is to get a compression post from Bob Eeg nd modify it to fit in my M15. I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good uggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope to ee you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage to aving a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. Just know hat I like it. Thanks, Mike Hall 15 #167 "Dreki" ustin, CA ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> ent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post ob, hat are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution omething that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? oe eaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have o compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless teel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6336 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:02:21 -0500 From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Another Sail Question? Message-ID: <CAFS5qAtzjd99gaJciV6KSjaL2zZDnvXQeutCv802BaE8r9C30Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am narrowing it down to a few lofts to order new main and 128 gen. for my M15. Quotes range from a low of $550 to $841. Also, the sailcloth quoted ranges from a low of 4oz to 6.3oz respectively. I have read no real negatives on any of my possible lofts. I am a recreational sailor (day) and may try a few little races with the WWP guys around here. Winds here are Great Lake style (Huron). How critical is sail weight and what does the heavier cloth add to the sail (durability, longer life, just cost, etc?). *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:22:55 -0400 From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: sailplans for Monty 15 Message-ID: <52BE0BC051A64BDBAA414D764CD20D36@Pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Smiley, How did the main and stock jib price out? What size jib did you get? Thanks Bert . M-15 #181 M--15#181 From: Karen and Smiley Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:10 AM To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Subject: M_Boats: sailplans for Monty 15 Last year after my used purchase of M 15 #616 I sent my old sails to Dr Judy B and she measured them, she made me a new set of Hyde sails which are just superb. For insurance sake I went ahead and bought a new Potter 15 jib to use as insurance as a storm jib. I had done something similar for my Precision 21 and probably used that storm jib twice if my memory serves me right so the storm jib to me was plan B and nothing else. Got two reef points on the main sail. Judy B knows her stuff and she'd get my vote as the new old kid on the block cutting sails for Monties. New crisp well cut sails make any sailboat hummmm, I won't sail without a good well made suit of canvas..thanks Judy B J Smiley, Another Wrinkle M15 #616 magoo252(a)comcast.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 110, Issue 1 ************************************************

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Hyde Sails
by Karen and Smiley 02 Apr '12

02 Apr '12

The question was asked of me as to where Dr Judy had quoted my mail and Jib sails and how this compared to quotes I had in hand. Let me state that I AM IN THE TANK FOR DR Judy, it's nice to work with somebody that really knows and understands small boats and She does support our community with her insightful knowledge. Having said that, good looks and charm will only get you so far. Hyde Sails prices were Very competitive for the quality, sail cloth weight, features in the sail, shipping etc and most important I has Judy cut my sails a bit flatter so the boat would not need to be de-powered in 15 - 20 knot winds. H-P sails were more expensive, and I think Hyde sails were on par with MACK sails price wise but the intangible of working with Dr J and her community involvement with her knowledge of our small Monty's tipped the scales in Hyde's favor. Judy knew she had to get these right cause the interweb is a small place. No worries as she did and she delivered on time and as per her quote with no surprises. Fun lady to talk shop with too. Buy with confidence from the good doctor. Smiley - Monty 15 #616 magoo252(a)comcast.net

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Searchable Archives
by Keith Diehl 02 Apr '12

02 Apr '12

In the past, some members were very concerned that their postings were readable by non-members, so I closed the archives to public viewing and cancelled our searchable archives. I never quite understood the concern, since anyone can join the mailing and then read everything old and new, but that was what was wanted. The question of searchable archives has come up again, so I'll ask the membership: Would you like to have searchable archives if it means the archives are readable by anyone on the internet, including search engines? As an example of what we could have, here is the main Lurker search engine page for Xmission hosted public lists; http://mailman.xmission.com/lurker/splash/index.en.html Keith Diehl Cottonwood Heights, UT

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Motors
by Randy 02 Apr '12

02 Apr '12

Hi Pam, I was just in Port Townsend visiting my brother-in-law during the Seattle Boat Show. I have an M-17 with a 9.9hp Yamaha. The original owner set it up to handle adverse current, tide, wave...and sailed it in the San Juans. It is not only overkill for even those conditions but it does adversely affect sailing especially when you add two 12v batteries and external gas tank. However, there have been positive trade offs. Having said all of that, I am looking at 4hp or smaller, myself. I have sailed in the San Juans on a much larger (44'steel hulled cutter) boat and motor sailed a lot of the time because of not always optimal winds to counteract currents. All the Best, Randy Wirth M-17 "Fore Play" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:23 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 110, Issue 1 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: motors (pam and dana) 2. Re: motors (Doug Kelch) 3. M17 Compression Post (Beowulf) 4. Re: M17 Compression Post (W David Scobie) 5. Re: M17 Compression Post (jerry montgomery) 6. (no subject) (jerry montgomery) 7. Re: M17 Compression Post (Tod) 8. Re: M17 Compression Post (Bob Eeg) 9. Re: M17 Compression Post (Joe Murphy) 10. Re: M17 Compression Post (Tim Diebert) 11. Re: M17 Compression Post (Joe Murphy) 12. Interior Paint (Joe Murphy) 13. Re: M17 Compression Post (Beowulf) 14. Re: M17 Compression Post (eisenee(a)aol.com) 15. Re: M17 Compression Post (Tod) 16. Re: M17 Compression Post (jerry montgomery) 17. Another Sail Question? (Jeffrey Johnston) 18. Re: sailplans for Monty 15 (Robert Hall) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 12:27:45 -0700 From: pam and dana <denko(a)broadstripe.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: motors Message-ID: <FC193C57-E6CE-418E-BEA5-7A00D427CA15(a)broadstripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Going back to the motor thread: We are unable to lift the Nissan 4hp motor up and down for the "new" 1981 boat we just bought. Home sailing ground is Port Townsend, Wa and the Sound is full of currents and tides to work against. Summer sailing is not the windiest time of year but the currents remain and I am concerned that we have a big enough motor. Has anyone used a pulley system off a stern rail to lift the motor in place? We have the cut out transom. Pam On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote: > Connie, > As usual, you and others in the group have provided valuable data to > chew on. You all have a nice day. > Tom > > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote: > >> On 28-Mar-12 8:07 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> Some years ago, an owner of an M17 - without a motor - had to take >> his M17 up the Thames River to a launch ramp. >> >> I had an M15 with a 2 HP HONDA. >> >> I took the HONDA 2 HP to New London, CT and mounted it on the M17. >> >> With four adults in the cockpit, we went upriver against the outgoing >> tide and the HONDA 2 HP had no problem with that load. >> >> Could we tow a water skier? No. But 3 to 4 Knots upstream with four >> adults in the cockpit is acceptable performance as far as I'm >> concerned. >> >> Connie >> ex M15 #400 LEPPO >>> It seems as if my back no longer likes lifting a 50 lb Honda 5 from >>> the car to the transom of my M17. Has anyone out there used an >>> air-cooled Honda 2 hp 4 stroke with success on such a boat? If so, >>> what kinds of speeds can you cruise a few miles at, and what is the >>> approximate fuel consumption at speed? I certainly don't want to >>> run more motor than I have to. (Dave Scobie, I think you ran a >>> small motor on Air Born in the San Juans, but I can't remember the >>> details.) Thanks a bunch,) >>> >>> Tom Jenkins >>> M17 Scintilla >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: motors Message-ID: <1333227730.11300.YahooMailNeo(a)web120505.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Pam, Can't say I have done it but if you do it from there it will be a two person job.? The stern rail isn't far enough outboard for a direct lift. You would need one person to hold the motor off of the transom while the other person hauls on the tackle.? You might consider making an arm, attached to a pole that has pintles to match the gudeons. Once the mast is up you can replace the? mast carrier with the hoist arm contraption. The mast carrier you have may be strong enough for an attachment but....? Just food for thought. Doug Kelch, "Seas the Day" M15 G #310 ________________________________ From: pam and dana <denko(a)broadstripe.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: motors Going back to the motor thread: We are unable to lift the Nissan 4hp motor up and down for the "new" 1981 boat we just bought.? Home sailing ground is Port Townsend, Wa and the Sound is full of currents and tides to work against.? Summer sailing is not the windiest time of year but the currents remain and I am concerned that we have a big enough motor.? Has anyone used a pulley system off a stern rail to lift the motor in place? We have the cut out transom. Pam On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote: > Connie, > As usual, you and others in the group have provided valuable data to chew on.? You all have a nice day. > Tom > > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote: > >> On 28-Mar-12 8:07 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> Some years ago, an owner of an M17 - without a motor - had to take his M17 up the Thames River to a launch ramp. >> >> I had an M15 with a 2 HP HONDA. >> >> I took the HONDA 2 HP to New London, CT and mounted it on the M17. >> >> With four adults in the cockpit, we went upriver against the outgoing tide and the HONDA 2 HP had no problem with that load. >> >> Could we tow a water skier?? No.? But 3 to 4 Knots upstream with four adults in the cockpit is acceptable performance as far as I'm concerned. >> >> Connie >> ex M15 #400 LEPPO >>> It seems as if my back no longer likes lifting a 50 lb Honda 5 from >>> the car to the transom of my M17.? Has anyone out there used an >>> air-cooled Honda 2 hp 4 stroke with success on such a boat?? If so, >>> what kinds of speeds can you cruise a few miles at, and what is the >>> approximate fuel consumption at speed?? I certainly don't want to >>> run more motor than I have to.? (Dave Scobie, I think you ran a >>> small motor on Air Born in the San Juans, but I can't remember the >>> details.) Thanks a bunch,) >>> >>> Tom Jenkins >>> M17 Scintilla >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 From: "Beowulf" <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <35BC27F3992C4431B9E5DA5FE20DC33B@Mike> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? Mike Hall M15 #167 "Dreki" Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:52:57 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <1333245177.74636.YahooMailClassic(a)web162701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 the compression post in the M17 doesn't need to be stainless steel. the compression post is actually two pieces - one from the v-berth to the cabin top.? a second section is under the v-berth. on SWEET PEA the section between the v-berth and the cabin top is a round aluminum tube about 3" diameter (i've not measured it ... just banged it with my head, shoulders, arms ...).? not sure the wall thickness. the lower section is a short section of mast (even has the sail slug grove). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sat, 3/31/12, Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> wrote: > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the > pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:01:01 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <FCBDAD133C32474EAAC6C714EF895E01@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" If it's a boat I made, and if it's an aluminum tube, it's 2 1/4" OD jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beowulf" <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:15 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? Mike Hall M15 #167 "Dreki" Tustin, CA -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6336 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 19:06:15 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "montgomery forum" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) Message-ID: <4072D6A14B1147A9B7DFBCF749A1F67B@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hi Dave- What are you doing working on Sat? jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6336 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 22:39:48 -0400 From: "Tod" <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <003001cd0fb0$b4c65550$1e52fff0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On mine, #408, it is made of a section of mast, iirc. I wrapped it with blue sleeping pad and covered that with upholstery, Velcro-ed in place. Makes touching it while sleeping less of a waker-upper. http://www.peppypawspoochpark.com/htmills/images/LF-BuscaCabinFwd.jpg Tod > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W > David Scobie > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:53 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > the compression post in the M17 doesn't need to be stainless steel. > > the compression post is actually two pieces - one from the v-berth to > the cabin top.? a second section is under the v-berth. > > on SWEET PEA the section between the v-berth and the cabin top is a > round aluminum tube about 3" diameter (i've not measured it ... just > banged it with my head, shoulders, arms ...).? not sure the wall > thickness. > > the lower section is a short section of mast (even has the sail slug > grove). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com > > > > --- On Sat, 3/31/12, Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the > > pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > > > Mike Hall > > M15 #167 "Dreki" > > Tustin, CA > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 20:53:43 -0700 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <BLU162-W31491743FBEBEAEA1055C5B74F0(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have no compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:34:40 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <165A81E5186B4C8897D421D124B572C4@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have no compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:02:53 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <001101cd1010$21f3a830$65daf890$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 It has always been a vague back brain plan for me to somehow remove that comp post and fab a 'deckhead' arch/brace or a deckbeam of some kind. I saw a 20 foot Beneteau that has something like this.... Tim of the North ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:09:20 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <B5BCF59BF07D4EA9BFD04FC68DA0C5E3@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I agree. Fabricating something using a cold molded approach is doable, but if Bob has a pattern to use, that would be a great start. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Diebert To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post >Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 It has always been a vague back brain plan for me to somehow remove that comp post and fab a 'deckhead' arch/brace or a deckbeam of some kind. I saw a 20 foot Beneteau that has something like this.... Tim of the North ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 13:11:46 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Interior Paint Message-ID: <E0355ED7482A4329A627022F5D1CB51F@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd like to paint the interior of my M17. I don't want to get too glossy. Any suggestions what is the best thing to use??? Thanks, Joe SeaFrog M17 ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:37:04 -0700 From: "Beowulf" <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <2A78A6FF05E04A0EB52D2A8842EE888A@Mike> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I have a 31 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the original owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I have not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up (the way I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig to the three point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested that I add a post. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that I need to add this post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression post that did not appear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now that I have received responses from my group question, is to get a compression post from Bob Eeg and modify it to fit in my M15. I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good suggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope to see you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage to having a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. Just know that I like it. Thanks, Mike Hall M15 #167 "Dreki" Tustin, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Bob, What are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution something that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? Joe SeaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have no compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: eisenee(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <8CEDE6F608CCE1A-1458-D128(a)Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The old McGregors had a mahogany 2x2 comp post , my 1992 Monty has a mast extrusion. I would think an oak 2x2 would do the job and cost less them ss Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I have a 1 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the riginal owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I ave not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up (the ay I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig to the hree point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested that I add a ost. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that I need to add his post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression post that did not ppear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now that I have received esponses from my group question, is to get a compression post from Bob Eeg nd modify it to fit in my M15. I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good uggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope to ee you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage to aving a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. Just know hat I like it. Thanks, Mike Hall 15 #167 "Dreki" ustin, CA ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> ent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post ob, hat are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution omething that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? oe eaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have o compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless teel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 18:55:54 -0400 From: "Tod" <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <008f01cd105a$97d34980$c779dc80$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Wooden handrailing section? Porch railing spindle? Wood would be "warmer" than metal... Tod > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > eisenee(a)aol.com > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:39 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > > The old McGregors had a mahogany 2x2 comp post , my 1992 Monty has a > mast extrusion. I would think an oak 2x2 would do the job and cost less > them ss > > Eldor > M17 Motu iti > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > > Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I > have a > 1 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the > riginal owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I > ave not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up > (the ay I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig > to the hree point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested > that I add a ost. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that > I need to add his post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression > post that did not ppear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now > that I have received esponses from my group question, is to get a > compression post from Bob Eeg nd modify it to fit in my M15. > I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good > uggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope > to ee you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. > PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage > to aving a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. > Just know hat I like it. > Thanks, > Mike Hall > 15 #167 "Dreki" > ustin, CA > ----- Original Message ----- > rom: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> > o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > ent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM > ubject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > ob, > hat are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new > solution omething that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? > oe > eaFrog #651 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Eeg > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hi Mike > I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s > have o compression post. > I have some tubes if you need one. > Bob > Montgomery boats. > (949) 489-8227 > > > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 > Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size > is of the M17 Stainless teel compression post? > > > > Mike Hall > > M15 #167 "Dreki" > > Tustin, CA > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 15:58:01 -0700 From: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Message-ID: <2A196AFD6FA14B19B3CB95A965DD855F@jerryws10> Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" When I used to buy mast extrusions 100 lbs at a time I'd always get two or three twisted ones, and I'd chop them up anmd use them for mast posts. I 'd agree with Eldor- go to Home Depot and get a hardwood 2X2. Varnish it up and it'll be good to go. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <eisenee(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 3:39 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post The old McGregors had a mahogany 2x2 comp post , my 1992 Monty has a mast extrusion. I would think an oak 2x2 would do the job and cost less them ss Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Apr 1, 2012 12:37 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hello All: thanks for responses. The reason for my inquiry is that I have a 1 year old Monty 15 that has a masthead rig, which was set-up by the riginal owner (without a compression post) and I have always like it. I ave not used my boat in years but am restoring it and setting it up (the ay I should have done years ago). I am not going to change the rig to the hree point rig on a typical M15 so Jerry Montgomery suggested that I add a ost. So now I am at the point in my boat restoration that I need to add his post and noticed that some M17s have a SS compression post that did not ppear to have a very large diameter. My plan, now that I have received esponses from my group question, is to get a compression post from Bob Eeg nd modify it to fit in my M15. I really appreciate this group because when asked you always have good uggestions to help those of us that are in need of advice, etc. I hope to ee you guys out at Havasu at the HPCC next February. PS: I have no idea if there is any kind of mechanical/sailing advantage to aving a masthead rig versus the 3 point fractional rig on a M15. Just know hat I like it. Thanks, Mike Hall 15 #167 "Dreki" ustin, CA ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> ent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 6:34 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post ob, hat are you using in place of the compression post? Is your new solution omething that can be retrofitted to a 2002 M17?? oe eaFrog #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Eeg To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post Hi Mike I use a 7/8 stainless tube with a flange on each end. The Newest 17s have o compression post. I have some tubes if you need one. Bob Montgomery boats. (949) 489-8227 > From: beowulf2(a)cox.net > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 18:15:40 -0700 > Subject: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless teel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6336 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:02:21 -0500 From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Another Sail Question? Message-ID: <CAFS5qAtzjd99gaJciV6KSjaL2zZDnvXQeutCv802BaE8r9C30Q(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am narrowing it down to a few lofts to order new main and 128 gen. for my M15. Quotes range from a low of $550 to $841. Also, the sailcloth quoted ranges from a low of 4oz to 6.3oz respectively. I have read no real negatives on any of my possible lofts. I am a recreational sailor (day) and may try a few little races with the WWP guys around here. Winds here are Great Lake style (Huron). How critical is sail weight and what does the heavier cloth add to the sail (durability, longer life, just cost, etc?). *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:22:55 -0400 From: "Robert Hall" <bert.hall(a)rogers.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: sailplans for Monty 15 Message-ID: <52BE0BC051A64BDBAA414D764CD20D36@Pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Smiley, How did the main and stock jib price out? What size jib did you get? Thanks Bert . M-15 #181 M--15#181 From: Karen and Smiley Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:10 AM To: Montgomery Sailboat Forum Subject: M_Boats: sailplans for Monty 15 Last year after my used purchase of M 15 #616 I sent my old sails to Dr Judy B and she measured them, she made me a new set of Hyde sails which are just superb. For insurance sake I went ahead and bought a new Potter 15 jib to use as insurance as a storm jib. I had done something similar for my Precision 21 and probably used that storm jib twice if my memory serves me right so the storm jib to me was plan B and nothing else. Got two reef points on the main sail. Judy B knows her stuff and she'd get my vote as the new old kid on the block cutting sails for Monties. New crisp well cut sails make any sailboat hummmm, I won't sail without a good well made suit of canvas..thanks Judy B J Smiley, Another Wrinkle M15 #616 magoo252(a)comcast.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 110, Issue 1 ************************************************

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Another Sail Question?
by Jeffrey Johnston 02 Apr '12

02 Apr '12

I am narrowing it down to a few lofts to order new main and 128 gen. for my M15. Quotes range from a low of $550 to $841. Also, the sailcloth quoted ranges from a low of 4oz to 6.3oz respectively. I have read no real negatives on any of my possible lofts. I am a recreational sailor (day) and may try a few little races with the WWP guys around here. Winds here are Great Lake style (Huron). How critical is sail weight and what does the heavier cloth add to the sail (durability, longer life, just cost, etc?). *Jeff+* Molōn labe!

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sailplans for Monty 15
by Karen and Smiley 02 Apr '12

02 Apr '12

Last year after my used purchase of M 15 #616 I sent my old sails to Dr Judy B and she measured them, she made me a new set of Hyde sails which are just superb. For insurance sake I went ahead and bought a new Potter 15 jib to use as insurance as a storm jib. I had done something similar for my Precision 21 and probably used that storm jib twice if my memory serves me right so the storm jib to me was plan B and nothing else. Got two reef points on the main sail. Judy B knows her stuff and she'd get my vote as the new old kid on the block cutting sails for Monties. New crisp well cut sails make any sailboat hummmm, I won't sail without a good well made suit of canvas..thanks Judy B J Smiley, Another Wrinkle M15 #616 magoo252(a)comcast.net

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M17 Compression Post
by Beowulf 01 Apr '12

01 Apr '12

Hello All: Does anyone know what the pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? Mike Hall M15 #167 "Dreki" Tustin, CA

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Re: M_Boats: M17 Compression Post
by W David Scobie 31 Mar '12

31 Mar '12

the compression post in the M17 doesn't need to be stainless steel. the compression post is actually two pieces - one from the v-berth to the cabin top. a second section is under the v-berth. on SWEET PEA the section between the v-berth and the cabin top is a round aluminum tube about 3" diameter (i've not measured it ... just banged it with my head, shoulders, arms ...). not sure the wall thickness. the lower section is a short section of mast (even has the sail slug grove). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sat, 3/31/12, Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> wrote: > > Hello All: Does anyone know what the > pipe size is of the M17 Stainless steel compression post? > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 "Dreki" > Tustin, CA >

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