November 2012 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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replacement windows
by Bonnie Kostka 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

A while back someone mentioned where to buy replacement widows, Did anyone buy them & where did they buy them? Bonnie M15

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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by bownez＠juno.com 05 Feb '13

05 Feb '13

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Re: M_Boats: Propane Conversion kits for Outboard outboards
by jimdahlquist＠gmail.com 06 Jan '13

06 Jan '13

No question that is right. So I will suffer my present motor for another year. I have plenty more to do. I have noticed some small 4-cycles that weigh less than my 20 year old 60 pound 2-cycle. Maybe by then there will technology to enable me to forget about combustion altogether. Miracles have been alluded to. JimD Sent from Windows Mail From: August Trometer Sent: ‎November‎ ‎24‎, ‎2012 ‎4‎:‎09‎ ‎PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Propane Conversion kits for Outboard outboards The common generator for that is the Honda (4 stroke). Sent from my iPhone August & Susan Trometer 239 849 4681 North Fort Myers, FL atrometer(a)gmail.com On Nov 24, 2012, at 1:51 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1(a)gmail.com> wrote: Jim, Don't think that's gonna work too well. On a two stroke, the fuel is also the lubricant (gas and oil mixed) I'm not sure how you would get the vaporous propane to carry the oil into the engine. Every propane generator conversion I've seen has a 4 stroke engine. Lubricant is in the crankcase. Big difference. I think if you want a propane outboard, the only way it's gonna work is to start with a 4 stroke. Hopefully somebody can prove me wrong. Rik On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Jim Dahlquist <jimdahlquist(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I have seen a video on youtube showing how to convert a portable generator > from gasoline to propane. > Now I would like to explore the idea of converting my old Suzuki DT4 > 2-cycle outboard if I could find a compatible kit. > I think this would be cleaner and would not require any winter maintenance. > So far I haven't been able to find anything. Maybe because generators are > way too popular right now. > But I wanted to at least get this idea on the list. > > BTW: It appears that searching the archives requires downloading the full > data first. Is that correct? > > Jim Dahlquist > jimdahlquist(a)gmail.com -- "Since this is an era when many people are concerned about 'fairness' and 'social justice,' what is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?" …. Thomas Sowell

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Free NOAA charts
by Daniel Rich 18 Dec '12

18 Dec '12

I am preparing for the Port Townsend Small Boat Sailing Academy next weekend, and am doing some homework before the event. One thing I have never had to do is navigate and really read a chart, so I am learning about that with some excellent books I have purchased. It turns out that you can download very useful charts directly from NOAA as printable booklets at this link: http://www.nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/staff/BookletChart.html Some of you probably already know a great deal about this, but I just figured I would share this nice link. These things are really good, and are slightly smaller than the real thing. I have the real chart for Tomales Bay, which is chart #18643, but the booklet version is really nice. I can look at it on my iPad, or print it. My color printer does 2 sided printing, which is what the pdf is designed for, and it prints really well. Opposed pages line up. So, if you did not know about this free resource, there you are. I have downloaded a few more, including the Port Townsend chart for my upcoming trip. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com

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FW: Welcome to the "montgomery_boats" mailing list
by George R. Iemmolo 30 Nov '12

30 Nov '12

I am new to list looking for Montgomery 15 Living in Valparaiso, Indiana for the past 6 years having moved here from Lancaster PA to be nearer children (1 Boy; 3 Girls) grandchildren (2 Boys; 3 Girls).great grandchildren (1 Boy; 2 Girls and one in the oven:-)) I have been happily married to the same gal for 56 years and am 80 years young. Sailing Background Boats: 193? Old Town Canoe with Sailing Rig 20' - 1951-1953 197? Rhodes 19'- 1987-1990 1987 Seaward 23'- 1997-2002 1995 Alerion Express 28'- 2003-2005 2001 West Weight Potter 15'- 2006-2007 1979 Pearson 23 - 2008- 2012 Sailing Bio: Crewed on 25'-38' boats as 1st Mate, Upper Middle and Lower Chesapeake Bay, from North East MD to Norfolk, VI; Florida West Coast, from Tampa Bay to Key West; Lake Erie, from Buffalo, NY to Port Clinton, OH; Lake Michigan from Traverse City to Mackinac Island; Green Bay from Sturgeon Bay, WI to Escanaba, MI; Long Island Sound from City Island, NY to Montauk, LI, Block Island /Rhode Island Sound, from Groton, CN to Newport, RI; Indiana Inland Lakes Area of Expertise: Mast raising system (25' max); Leading all Lines aft to Cockpit; install Retractable Lazy Jack system; install Jib Downhaul system; install Single Line Main Reefing System; install Roller Furling System. Cruising Grounds: Presently Lower Eastern Lake Michigan out of Michigan City Indiana Marina, previously North East River and Upper Chesapeake Bay out of North East River Yacht Club Modifications: Last Boat Purchased 1979 Pearson 23 in Aug of 2008 splashed spring of 2009. Main modified to Full Battens & Main sail cover, New canvas cover on roller furled Genoa, all by Sail Care. All lines led aft, installed Lazy Jacks and Single Line Reefing System, installed OB controls in Cockpit. New Cabin cushions Port, Starboard and V Berths, 2 Bilge Pumps installed Automatic and Manual Sold in July of 2012 George We can not control the Wind But we can adjust our Sails Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:14 PM To: griemmolo2(a)gmail.com Subject: Welcome to the "montgomery_boats" mailing list[George ] ffd

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(no subject)
by JERRY G MAY 29 Nov '12

29 Nov '12

I need to sell my 17 made the first year $2100.00

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Re: M_Boats: M15/flotation
by beowulf2＠cox.net 29 Nov '12

29 Nov '12

What a good idea Mile Hall Sent from my HTC One™ X, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Tim Erwin" <sailtim(a)yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15/flotation Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 10:52 AM Please disregard my question about flotation, I hope I didn't waste time. I talked to Mr. Eng today personally. He was very cordial and seems like a really nice fellow. They don't put any foam floatation in the 15. He suggested that I put two truck size inner tubes in the boat, one under vbirth one under cockpit floor. Put some air in them and forget about it. Sailboats are exempt from the positive floatation requirement for under 20' rule Question answered, easy solution. Nr. Eng seems like a nice guy, very helpful. Merry Christmas to all. Tim Erwin. "Dark Star " m15 # 641 Sent from my iPad

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