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Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with
by Bruce Ward 30 Jan '12

30 Jan '12

Thanks and that is a great idea Tim. Is there an especially good time for that and would you be in to sharing some knowledge and perhaps going in tandem? Heck we could talk sailing and guitars (building and playing). BTW, I'm 56.

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Re: M_Boats: Any one in B.C. to talk shop with
by Bruce Ward 30 Jan '12

30 Jan '12

Hi Klaas, I've not been on the list to view current content for a while but I see Tim from Kelowna answered your query about Monty sailors in BC. I'm in north central BC out of Houston and sail S/v Cerulea - a 1974 M17 hull number 32. So I have a most decidedly vintage boat and it is in great shape for her age and well worth any effort to keep her that way. I blew out my shoulder and missed going to the coast last year because of the surgery but I'm hopeful to make it there some day. BTW I bought my boat in Port Townsend Washington and went there twice from Houston because I knew the pedigree so to speak. Congrats on getting acquainted with Lyle and Jerry's designs. Bruce Ward

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Square Top Man Sail - M 17 and M 15
by Karen and Smiley 29 Jan '12

29 Jan '12

I just posted on Trailer Sailor about WHY I should not order a Square Top Main sail IF I was in the market for a new main sail. Now that fellow demo pilot Dan Phys has broken the sound barrier with his new M 15 e I am curious to know who else will follow. Seems to me there is no down side except we are not in range of the class rules and sailing head to head will always have an Asterisk behind that larger sail area. So WHY NOT evolve the flee? Seems to me the stock M15 or 17 could greatly benefit for this development. I hope Dr Judy of Bob Eeg chime in and tell me why this is not a good idea. BTW I am still waiting for a rotating mast to go along with that square top sail, its easily done, again why not and where is the draw back? M15 #616 Another Wrinkle Smiley and Karen magoo252(a)comcast.net

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Re: M_Boats: New Member
by Larry E Yake 29 Jan '12

29 Jan '12

Roger, Welcome to the group. You'll love your M17, especially in the great cruising grounds where you live. There is a good group of us the cruise the San Juan and Gulf Islands every couple of years. Next trip will probably be in 2013. Watch this e-mail list for information if you want to join us. Regarding outboards, the problem with a large motor is in putting too much weight on the stern. Montgomerys like to have the weight forward, keeping the transom out of the water. You'll sail faster with less drag. Most 17 sailors use a 4 or 5 hp motor, and none in our group have had any issues with having enough power for the same waters you plan on sailing. My boat is a 1976 model and has the cutout like yours. I like having the motor there in the cutout. It's a nice solid mount, with no lowering bracket to hassle with, and the weight is further forward. True, only about a foot, but it's a noticeable difference. I tried moving mine to an adjustable mount once and didn't like it at all. The boat just didn't feel right, and leaning over the transom to operate that bracket was a pain. When you mount your motor in the cutout, you have to be aware of the clearance between it and your rudder. Scoot the motor as far to the side as possible. Some motors (like the Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke) have the control arm mounted off to the side which limits how far you can go. For that reason, I use a Suzuki 4 stroke. The control arm is more in front of the motor allowing me to mount the motor near the port side of the cutout, giving better clearance. The Suzuki 4hp and 6hp weigh the same, so I opted for the 6 which is set up for both internal and external tanks. Very nice when cruising. You can also have a charging coil added to charge you house battery while motoring. And yes, you'll want the 20" long shaft motor. Extra long is not really needed. Larry M17 CornDog

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Any one in B.C. to talk shop with
by Klaas 29 Jan '12

29 Jan '12

I've been working on a 15ft Montgomery # 321 Bobbie Mayer's lift off , bought it from her Dec1/2011. At the moment I'm trying to make her brand new , she was in good shape when I got her but , a 26 year old boat is 26 years old .So I'm repainting & cleaning the inside and out . Replacing old with new ss parts and so on . I'm hoping to put her in the water sometime this month or next as soon as I finish rebuilding the trailer . As I watch this group I'm noticing a lot of other Monty owners are on the B.C. coast in and around the Vancouver , Victoria area . I was wondering do any of you ever get together some where and talk shop ,or go sailing . The reason I ask is I'm new to this game and would like to learn from those that have been there and done it . Thanks KLaas

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Re: M_Boats: New Member
by Larry E Yake 29 Jan '12

29 Jan '12

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:17:33 -0800 "Jim Ellsworth" <j_ellsworth(a)earthlink.net> writes: > Great shots of your boat Larry, makes me homesick for the San Juans. > Hard to beat the San Juans. Hope you can make it next time. Those two pictures were taken in north Idaho, however. Pend Oreille and Priest Lakes.

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Facebook
by Mack Warner 29 Jan '12

29 Jan '12

Should start a facebook page for montgomery owners. Easy to do pics etc. i am inthe ranger sailboat owners facebook. Sent from my iPad

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Fiberglass Centerboard Picture
by Randy Graves 29 Jan '12

29 Jan '12

Friends, I found this picture showing the fiberglass centerboard fully extended within the trunk of our M17. If you look closely you can see the attachment point for the pennant to the CB. This attachment on our boat was done using a shackle. The last several inches of the pennant were de-cored so that the knot attaching the pennant to the shackle remained small enough to easily pass through the CB trunk cavity. Some other pictures are available here http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17Bunk.html Randy G. M17 410

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Re: M_Boats: New Member
by Larry E Yake 28 Jan '12

28 Jan '12

> I am sorry to be a pain but have you any photographs of the stern of > > your boat with the Suzuki 6 in place? Roger, Here's a picture that shows the motor in the down position. Larry

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Re: M_Boats: New Member
by Larry E Yake 28 Jan '12

28 Jan '12

Roger, Attaching photo's is a fairly new option on this list serve so I'm not sure if this will work, but here's one of CornDog's stern. If the photo came through, you can see how the motor looks when tipped up in the cutout. The powerhead is completely inboard of the transom, bringing the weight forward, and there is no way the prop is going to drag on any point of sail. If this attachment works, I'll send another with the motor in the down position. Larry On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:51:41 -0800 Jeanette Matcham <jeanmatcham(a)shaw.ca> writes: > Dear Larry. > > Very many thanks for all this advice . > > The Suzuki 6 HP sounds good . Many thanks for the comments on the > extra long shaft. > > Whilst I have a solar panel clearly the charging facility on the 6 > HP > is very valuable. > > I will be interested in the San Juan and Gulf Island cruise and will > > keep my eyes open for information on this. > > I am sorry to be a pain but have you any photographs of the stern of > > your boat with the Suzuki 6 in place? > > Thanks again for your kind help. I very much appreciate your time. > > Best wishes > > Roger > On 28-Jan-12, at 10:29 AM, Larry E Yake wrote: > > > Roger, > > > > Welcome to the group. You'll love your M17, especially in the > great > > cruising grounds where you live. There is a good group of us the > > > cruise > > the San Juan and Gulf Islands every couple of years. Next trip > will > > probably be in 2013. Watch this e-mail list for information if you > > > want > > to join us. > > > > Regarding outboards, the problem with a large motor is in putting > too > > much weight on the stern. Montgomerys like to have the weight > forward, > > keeping the transom out of the water. You'll sail faster with less > > > drag. > > Most 17 sailors use a 4 or 5 hp motor, and none in our group have > > > had any > > issues with having enough power for the same waters you plan on > > sailing. > > My boat is a 1976 model and has the cutout like yours. I like > having > > the > > motor there in the cutout. It's a nice solid mount, with no > lowering > > bracket to hassle with, and the weight is further forward. True, > only > > about a foot, but it's a noticeable difference. I tried moving > mine > > to an > > adjustable mount once and didn't like it at all. The boat just > didn't > > feel right, and leaning over the transom to operate that bracket > was a > > pain. When you mount your motor in the cutout, you have to be aware > of > > the clearance between it and your rudder. Scoot the motor as far > to > > the > > side as possible. Some motors (like the Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke) have > the > > control arm mounted off to the side which limits how far you can > go. > > For > > that reason, I use a Suzuki 4 stroke. The control arm is more in > > > front of > > the motor allowing me to mount the motor near the port side of > the > > cutout, giving better clearance. The Suzuki 4hp and 6hp weigh the > > > same, > > so I opted for the 6 which is set up for both internal and > external > > tanks. Very nice when cruising. You can also have a charging coil > > > added > > to charge you house battery while motoring. And yes, you'll want > the > > 20" > > long shaft motor. Extra long is not really needed. > > > > Larry > > M17 CornDog > > > > > >

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