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Re: M_Boats: Need some "Sage" advice
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

I'm not happy with the first two trailers either. I spoke with the manufacturer about a number of improvements. Some of them like ground clearance are important. I think there is room for improvement on current trailers. The "moving parts" mentioned might offer some solutions. I appreciate the comments. sal In a message dated 12/5/2010 4:04:58 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: I ordered a special trailer for the 17 once that had a wishbone setup and the bote set quiite a bit lower, but the customer complained about tire wear and had it set back to the normal setup. Neal Clark of Tucson made a trailer this way and that's where I got the idear. I believe Neal's worked fine. 'm unhappy with the trailers that Sal got for the first two Sage's, including mine, because they sat too high on the trailer, so I plan to do some work on mine. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Need some "Sage" advice > Jerry, > I believe the issue is clearance with the trailer axle. Most of the > trailers I have seen 17's riding on have the axle located below the > board - we > could ask for a 'swing-away axle' with integral air jacks (race car style) > to > lift the rig straight up for the service of the board uphaul - yeah that's > the ticket ! Executed in some fancy unobtanium. I will pay at least $79.00 > dollars for that option. (sarcasm intended to be humorous).(did it work?) > > That is my opinion - and it is right! > > > Take Care Have Fun Wear your PFD for safe sailing! > > GO. > "LB/GF!" M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's > "patina"! > Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3838 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Need some "Sage" advice
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Maybe the torsion bar axle set-up (split) would work but I think again you may have alignment/tire wear issues unless the frame was very rigid so that it stayed square - hard to achieve with the wishbone type setup. Ground clearance is an issue if you are on anything but good paved roads usually with the wishbone type - and 'exposed' nose and lower edges of keel are a concern - we had a guy build one that way for a C-22 - If I were starting over on a trailer I would put tubular uprights (square or round) and lift the boat ON the trailer using long - replacement uprights to support the boat or hell - put acme screws under them ala boat stands. How is the boat going? have you sailed yet?? Take Care, Have Fun, Get it Sailing! GO PS - trailer tip of the day - try and get the stern of the boat higher when on the trailer - they unload and load MUCH better - do the drawing of the boat on the trailer at the ramp - clear as day - ass up works miracles.

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Re: M_Boats: Need some "Sage" advice
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Jerry, I believe the issue is clearance with the trailer axle. Most of the trailers I have seen 17's riding on have the axle located below the board - we could ask for a 'swing-away axle' with integral air jacks (race car style) to lift the rig straight up for the service of the board uphaul - yeah that's the ticket ! Executed in some fancy unobtanium. I will pay at least $79.00 dollars for that option. (sarcasm intended to be humorous).(did it work?) That is my opinion - and it is right! Take Care Have Fun Wear your PFD for safe sailing! GO. "LB/GF!" M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way

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Re: M_Boats: Trailer rebuild
by bownez＠juno.com 04 Dec '10

04 Dec '10

Hey Robbin, I rebuilt the brake system on my M23 trailer.There is a supply house here in Mpls that sells the entire backing plate, brake shoes, wheel cylinders, springs, etc. all loaded as an assembly. It bolts right up to the axle. They also have the complete brake line kit. All very reasonable.I had a new Attwood master cylinder coupler welded on the nose of the frame, along with replacement of all the questionable frame members rotted from salt water.The supplier is Pioneer Wheel and Rim. They have all the parts you need.I put a brake line kit on Theo's trailer as well. Simple to do. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Refinance Now 3.4% FIXED $160,000 Mortgage: $547/mo. No Hidden Fees. No SSN Req. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cfb13004107c5de366st02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Trailer rebuild
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 04 Dec '10

04 Dec '10

Hi Robbin, For comparison, a new M23 trailer (in 2006) was just under $4,000. I would imagine it's a bit more now, plus shipping. sal In a message dated 12/4/2010 9:29:42 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net writes: Folks, I have had my M-23 trailer inspected and it needs new brakes. And a couple other minor items but mostly brakes. In fact, one of the drum brakes simply has no internal parts as they were at some point removed. So we would be talking completely new brake assemblies and a surge coupler and all the lines to connect. To have the shop do it is around $1300. Can you lend me your opinions about refurbing this double axle trailer vs. purchasing new. Thanks Robbin M-23 '78 #072 "The Other Woman" (my wife's name for the craft) M-10 Tonka _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: Need some "Sage" advice
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 02 Dec '10

02 Dec '10

Thanx Bones, I think the trailer might offer some solutions like the one you mentioned or a way to remove that part of the frame?. Maybe jacks built into the trailer to raise the boat? sal In a message dated 11/27/2010 7:47:17 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, bownez(a)juno.com writes: Stan wrote: I just repaired 2 old style M-17 with iron boards. Just referring to the lift pennant now .We found a special shackle ,slightly long with a hole at the top of the strap. We simply attached the shackle to the board put the pendent through the hole in the shackle slipped on a nylon washer to help spread the load between the pennant and the shackle and tied a figure 8 stop knot . the beauty of this system is that the knot is all trapped under the shackle and shortens the need for room between the top of the centerboard and the glass trunk, (at the hole) , Also the top of the shackle acts a a tough pendent stop instead of jamming and wearing out the old style bowline knot. I wish I would have had one of those shackles when I dropped and painted my M17 board last fall... Might you have a part number and a supplier Stan? Sal, The swing keel is a necessary item for us trailer sailors. Most of the launch ramps I deal with are quite shallow. The biggest pain about servicing the board was moving the trailer forward (sliding the 17 aft) so the board would clear the keel support roller. Perhaps a new trailer design where the frame is not blocking and the roller could be removed is the way to go. Then the trailer with boat could be backed up on ramps, the roller and stop pin removed, and the swing keel lowered. I would like to see the board made of material that does not rust like the cast iron. My 2 cents worth. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Weight Watchers&#174 Official Site. Discover Weight Loss Freedom with Weight Watchers Today. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf119c143bd845983dst05vuc _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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