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How do you reef?
by Andrei Caldararu 10 May '09

10 May '09

Hello all, I am wondering how do you go from sailing in light wind to heavy wind, on the water, single handed? Say I have my mainsail up with my 150% genoa, and the wind perks up. I would like to go to a one-point reef in the main, with the 100% jib in the front. What steps do I take? More importantly perhaps, I seem to have quite a bit of hardware on the boom and mast that I don't know how to use: my boom has a small block at the aft end, a jam cleat about 10 inches forward of that, and another block 10 inches further forward. On the opposite side of the boom, about where the second block is, there is also an eye mounted. On the mast, below where the gooseneck enters, are two jam cleats. The sail has got three reeefing points (I assume that's what they are: lines that come out of the sail on both sides of it) in a line about 10 inches above the foot of the sail. How do I make use of all this? In the past, if the wind was blowing hard when I left the dock, I put up my 100% jib, and I reefed the main by doing the following: I ran the cunningham line through the second eye in the luff of the mainsail, ran it through one of the jam cleats on the mast, and put a figure 8 knot in it. Then I tied the lines from the reefing points around the boom, and finally I ran the outhaul through the eye and the block on the mast, jury rigging something that did not seem right. How does one do it properly, and what knots are to be used? Finally, even in light winds, how does one attach the outhaul (I assume I somehow should use the block at the end of the boom). Thanks, Andrei.

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Re: M_Boats: In defense of 2 stroke behavior - Not pollution! off topic.
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 09 May '09

09 May '09

Folks, I have to come to defense of 2 stroke operation and behavior - I have owned many 2 stroke motors for boats and even one in a car ! ( 1964 Saab 96, see here for a cool video of a racing Saab - turn it up!) _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3oXmSc_1kY&NR=1_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3oXmSc_1kY&NR=1) these are 750 and 850 cc 2 cycle water cooled engines front wheel drive - They DO burn the lubricating oil, but there is NOTHING that can rev as quickly, the SAAB 2 stroke cars are legendary for their performance in on/off road rallies. Saab won at Monte Carlo 1962 and 1963 A proper running 2 stroke is very tractable and is able to idle down to very slow speed. My 1994 Evinrude 4 Yachtwin runs slowly enough you can discern the cylinders firing individually. I have a VERY good mechanic (NOT me!) Sorry for the straying from the list but 2-strokes can be well behaved. That Saab was the most fun I ever had in a car by myself! D*mn that thing went! GO I want my Saab 96 back even if it smokes on cold start-up! In a message dated 5/8/2009 9:02:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, bownez(a)juno.com writes: Andrei, I know what you mean about fussy 2-strokes. They can die at the most inappropriate times, (in the crowded marina). I purchased a Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke for my M17 in 2000. I have been very pleased with it. Scanning Craig's List here in Mpls a week or so ago I saw the same motor, only a 2001, for sale for $640. FYI. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click now for prescreened plumbing contractors. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTRHJAcj54E2uZzkIojLJxiBzcu g4RqgLAd7sb5kD8xbEyT1Ik79o0/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=htt… May5909footerNO62)

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard question
by bownez＠juno.com 09 May '09

09 May '09

Andrei, I know what you mean about fussy 2-strokes. They can die at the most inappropriate times, (in the crowded marina). I purchased a Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke for my M17 in 2000. I have been very pleased with it. Scanning Craig's List here in Mpls a week or so ago I saw the same motor, only a 2001, for sale for $640. FYI. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click now for prescreened plumbing contractors. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTRHJAcj54E2uZzkIojLJxiBzc…

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Re: M_Boats: tiller length
by bownez＠juno.com 09 May '09

09 May '09

Maybe because the main sheet was further forward in the older M17's? The older ones like my 1976 have the traveler right behind the bridgedeck. Bones ____________________________________________________________ You're never too old to date. Senior Dating. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTQbQWfqL21CsjaqkM182pUJGB…

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Re: M_Boats: Mast Nest
by bownez＠juno.com 09 May '09

09 May '09

Tom, I wasn't quite so lucky. Upon testing my mast lights I find the steaming light is out. That will probably need to wait until next season to be addressed. Aluminum foil, never thought of that. That will be hard on the little critters fillings! Bones ____________________________________________________________ Start Email Marketing - fast, affordable, and measurable. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEFeOhmHiZLGTTFYBF9YL2hqe…

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Mast Nest
by bownez＠juno.com 09 May '09

09 May '09

Hi Listers, Here's a good story for you. Launched my M23 yesterday. Last year, after getting it from indoor storage for the first time, I went to install my VHF antenna before raising the mast to find the coax cable had been chewed through. Well, not being prepared with more cable, soldering equipment, etc., I decided to simply use a hand held for the season. Away we go. Here we are in 2009 to launch and I am prepared with coax, PL-249 connector soldered on one end, and ready to attach to the old cable and fish it down the mast, using the old cable to pull it. First problem, chewed cable end now missing and inside the mast. OK, time to remove the masthead and access the old cable. Did that. Attached the new cable to old. Started pulling at the base end of the cable to find the cable severed after about 10 feet. Damn. I go to the top of the mast, and pulling on the old coax produces some sponge material that a PO installed to quiet the cable slap, and, fur!, then bones!, then the skull of a small rodent, which I'm sure is a squirrel, Lordie. Looks like Rocky picked the wrong hideaway for the winter. This little guy had been in there for a while. So, after my helpful harbormaster came up with a length of very stiff wire, and three tries, we got the wire run up the mast so I could pull the new coax down the mast. I have seen birds nest in the open ends of masts when on their trailers, but this mammal experience was a new one on me. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click to get your online credit check report & score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIjD116mYCxMpAW45S89vnkW9…

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Re: M_Boats: How do you reef?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 08 May '09

08 May '09

Andrei, Try looking up reefing at numerous sailmakers sites - Here is one for Pineapple Sails - these guys get plenty of practice! _http://www.pineapplesails.com/articles/reefing.htm_ (http://www.pineapplesails.com/articles/reefing.htm) Reef hooks are problematic ( getting ones finger caught in the tack cringle/hook melee is NOT fun) and you really don't need another piece of hardware - that is what that 36" piece of 3/16 line tied around a sailors waist is for. Hardware Solution Line. Good Luck, Practice, Practice, Practice - Master! GO M-17 # 316a PS this is where a 'rigid vang' comes in handy!, or a boomkicker - one less line (topping lift) to deal with at a 'busy' time when sailing! In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:54:11 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, JDavies104(a)aol.com writes: Andrei, It's a little hard to tell exactly what your boom arrangement is, but I have found that the easiest way to handle the luff of the main is to mount a reefing hook (West Marine) on the gooseneck and lower the main until the luff cringle hooks into it, then tighten the halyard. Only takes a minute or two. My reefing line is made fast to the end of the boom, runs up through the leech cringle and back to a turning block just outboard of a point directly below the cringle, then is cleated on the boom just inboard of the turning block. After lowering the luff, it only takes another minute to haul down the leech and make the reefing line fast to the cleat. The reefing ties on the sail should then be tied just around the sail, (using reef knots, naturally) not the boom, just to take up the slack in the sail. You now have a loose-footed reefed main. I always do this while hove to with the jib backed (cleated on the windward side) so the boat rides easy while I'm working on the reef, but I usually do it with a 135% genoa roller-reefed down to about 100%. I don't know how how well heaving to would work in a breeze with a full 150% headsail. Good luck, Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823232x1201398636/aol?redir=htt… May5909footerNO62)

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard question
by bownez＠juno.com 08 May '09

08 May '09

Andrei, Spares are nice to have, I'm a big fan of that. I own three outboards, a 4, 8, and 10hp. All longshafts. Is the Nissan a 2 or 4 stroke? Bones ____________________________________________________________ Find the right degree program for you. Click here to find affordable and flexible options. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTEVquvY6cliAcVUFTgXi7uNmj…

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Outboard question
by Andrei Caldararu 08 May '09

08 May '09

On my M-17 I currently have a mid-80's 4hp 2-cycle Evinrude. Since the day I got it, I was unhappy with it. It keeps running rough despite having had it completely tuned up (new coils, new points, new impeller, new carburetor kit). Sometimes it will slowly die. And on top of everything it is rather noisy and seems to smoke a lot. I know all 2-cycles are somewhat like this, but on my previous boat I had a 50's vintage Johnson 3hp (all metal), which ran like a top with none of these problems. I would need some advice on a replacement. In particular, someone around here is selling a low-hours, 2001 Nissan 2- cycle long shaft 5hp, for $450. Does anyone have any experience with this motor? Is it supposed to be a good one/reliable/reasonably environmentally friendly? I don't motor a lot (just in and out of the dock), but seeing the oil slick and the smoke of my existing motor drives me nuts. I know that I should be getting a 4-stroke, but these are too expensive for what I need them to do. Thanks, Andrei.

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Re: M_Boats: How do you reef?
by JDavies104＠aol.com 08 May '09

08 May '09

Andrei, It's a little hard to tell exactly what your boom arrangement is, but I have found that the easiest way to handle the luff of the main is to mount a reefing hook (West Marine) on the gooseneck and lower the main until the luff cringle hooks into it, then tighten the halyard. Only takes a minute or two. My reefing line is made fast to the end of the boom, runs up through the leech cringle and back to a turning block just outboard of a point directly below the cringle, then is cleated on the boom just inboard of the turning block. After lowering the luff, it only takes another minute to haul down the leech and make the reefing line fast to the cleat. The reefing ties on the sail should then be tied just around the sail, (using reef knots, naturally) not the boom, just to take up the slack in the sail. You now have a loose-footed reefed main. I always do this while hove to with the jib backed (cleated on the windward side) so the boat rides easy while I'm working on the reef, but I usually do it with a 135% genoa roller-reefed down to about 100%. I don't know how how well heaving to would work in a breeze with a full 150% headsail. Good luck, Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** Remember Mom this Mother's Day! Find a florist near you now. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=florist& ncid=emlcntusyelp00000006)

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