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Re: M_Boats: do I need gel cell batteries in our M17?
by W David Scobie 24 Apr '09

24 Apr '09

to add to the words of others ... i've never heard that wet-cell batteries are a problem in a boat cabin. i've slept in many a boat having wet-cells ... including my M15. having just completed adding an electrical system to SCRED (my M15); this mentioned danger may be when the battery is being charged. don casey in SAILBOAT ELECTRONICS SIMPLIFIED does mention having awareness that when charged a wet cell will release oxygen and hydrogen AND never work on a electrical system when it is being charged as a spark by cause an explosion. he also states the battery compartment needs 'effective ventilation'. a gel cell can gas if overcharged. the oxy and hydrogen released from batteries are highly corrosive to electrical components. you will have no gas (besides the human crew) if that batt(s) is not charged on-board. a gell cell has 1/4 less life (total cycles) than a same sized wet cell. a gell will take (and release) a higher change more quickly making them good for high loads that run for a short time. the most cost effective battery remains the wet cell. dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Richard Everett <rick(a)skyko.com> wrote: Hi guys, I was showing our M17 to a fellow interested in purchasing a new one and he was alarmed that the two batteries (I added a 2nd battery and a 1/2/all selector switch to be prepared for the group San Juan trip) were not gel cell type, but rather the traditional marine deep cycle trolling motor type wet cell. He said it was a big no to use that type of battery in an area where you sleep. What do you guys think? With ventilation, is the outgassing from these batteries a possible danger for us? Thanks Rick M17-635 Eidolon

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electronics
by Tom Jenkins 24 Apr '09

24 Apr '09

Hello all, I am thinking about getting a combo chartplotter/depthsounder, and have heard some negative comments about some brands. Has anyone out there had good luck with a particular unit or manufacturer? Thanks, Tom Jenkins

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new M23 to get wet
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 24 Apr '09

24 Apr '09

Hi all. I’ve not posted much, but I’ve been enjoying all of the posts on the board. Fred said the M boat people were a good group. I’m convinced. All seem to be friendly and helpful. It’s especially nice to see the designer and even the builder with helpful comments. We don’t own an M boat yet, but we’re expecting ours very soon. Bob Eeg promised that our new M23 would be absolutely positively ready to sail on May 20th. He’s sending the insurance and registration information now so we can drive it back home. Looking forward to getting our boat and chatting with all of you. sal **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10012 6575x1219799634x1201361008/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133440%3B36002254%3Bj)

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do I need gel cell batteries in our M17?
by Richard Everett 24 Apr '09

24 Apr '09

Hi guys, I was showing our M17 to a fellow interested in purchasing a new one and he was alarmed that the two batteries (I added a 2nd battery and a 1/2/all selector switch to be prepared for the group San Juan trip) were not gel cell type, but rather the traditional marine deep cycle trolling motor type wet cell. He said it was a big no to use that type of battery in an area where you sleep. What do you guys think? With ventilation, is the outgassing from these batteries a possible danger for us? Thanks Rick M17-635 Eidolon

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 39
by Jared Prindle 24 Apr '09

24 Apr '09

Sounds a little scary so I'll ease into that job...stall long enough to get some parental supervision. The trailer on the other hand sounds like some preventative work I should get into this weekend. Besides putting some rollers on it, I'll put the trailer guides on too like I've seen on the msog site. About how much weight should be placed on the keel support rollers as opposed to the bunks/wheels for the hull? Thanks for a great boat and advice. jared > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:11:44 -0700 > From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hull Flexing Problem > Message-ID: <AC8C1780DEB54F1C964CECFBBD092713@DDJ69SD1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > If you decide that it is indeed a delam (by lots of tapping), I'd jack the > boat up so you have working room, and grind in from the outside until you > hit good glass. Using epoxy resin, first with filler, build it up to the > correct profile, then put some glass on it. > > Even if you can get at it from the inside I'd still do it from the outside > because you'll take care of the problem of the indent. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jared Prindle" <jared(a)tonyhawk.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hull Flexing Problem > >

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Re: M_Boats: Hull Flexing Problem
by Jared Prindle 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

Haa, I couldn't agree more...have my dad help me fix it. I don't know if I can wait that long but I'm sure I'll have to since I somehow didn't learn much about glassing in all those years I spent as a child rolling around in all of it. I do believe it is an Ezyloader trailer (I'll check when I get home) and like you said, I don't think the keel is supported. As far as being a delamination, would you guess that I'd have to cut our the "bad spot" and then build a patch? Or might it be possible to reinforce from the inside with out cutting...I hate putting holes in boats even above the waterline. I'll give my dad "hi" from ya. Jared On 4/23/09 5:15 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. knot in center board line (Bonnie Kostka) > 2. M15 Hull Flexing Problem (Jared Prindle) > 3. Re: M15 Hull Flexing Problem (jerry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: knot in center board line > Message-ID: <104830.69161.qm(a)web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > When I first got my M15 there was no knot in my line.? Connie came out one day > to sail with me & quickly changed that & put a knot in the line.? Even a > beginner like myself could tell the difference in how she sailed.? Once again > thanks Connie. > ? > Bonnie > M15, Moonbeam > > > --- On Thu, 4/23/09, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 36 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 11:19 AM > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (Mark Delin) > 2. Re: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (Steve and Diana Parsons) > 3. Re: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (Jeff Packer) > 4. Re: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (jerry) > 5. Re: Furlers (Bonnie Kostka) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mark Delin <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position > Message-ID: <442184.40821.qm(a)web82601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi All, > ? > How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go?? The previous owner of > our > M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all > the way I think.? Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the > trailing > edge of the board is still within the keel trunk.? Is is supposed to go down > further?? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the > line.? Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go > down all the way?? The boat seems to sail great as is! > ? > Thanks for any assistance! > ? > Mark > M-15 Seabright > San Diego > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:23:39 -0700 > From: Steve and Diana Parsons <sparsons(a)canby.com> > To: fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position > Message-ID: <C01CC2BE-3C46-48F7-A6DC-502A5F0843E1(a)canby.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Mark, > > The knot is the limit for the centerboard. That keeps the board from > over extending and hitting against the trunk. Don't untie it. If > you search the archives, you will find several threads on the topic. > I don't remember the measurement, but it seems like it was about 13 > inches of travel from all the way up, to the knot. > > Hope this helps. > > Steve > > > On Apr 21, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Mark Delin wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous >> owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents >> it from going down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes >> down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still >> within the keel trunk. Is is supposed to go down further? I >> suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line. >> Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to >> go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is! >> >> Thanks for any assistance! >> >> Mark >> M-15 Seabright >> San Diego >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:49:56 -0700 > From: "Jeff Packer" <cjpacker(a)theofficenet.com> > To: <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery > Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position > Message-ID: <000a01c9c351$397201f0$4606d5d1@jeffandchris> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I believe the trailing edge of the board should extend into the keel trunk a > bit. It should not come out of the keel trunk. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Delin" <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:58 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position > > > Hi All, > > How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of > our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going > down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so that > the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is > supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to > get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want the > centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is! > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Mark > M-15 Seabright > San Diego > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:01:41 -0700 > From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position > Message-ID: <D0D1EB116BEE41F7B57ED925A3629764@DDJ69SD1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > The important thing is that the board doesn't bear on the forward end of > the > slot. The knot is SUPPOSED to be there! > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Packer" <cjpacker(a)theofficenet.com> > To: <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net>; "For and about Montgomery > Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:49 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position > > >> I believe the trailing edge of the board should extend into the keel trunk >> a bit. It should not come out of the keel trunk. >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark Delin" <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net> >> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:58 PM >> Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of > >> our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going >> down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so >> that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is >> supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else > to >> get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want >> the centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as >> is! >> >> Thanks for any assistance! >> >> Mark >> M-15 Seabright >> San Diego >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furlers > Message-ID: <485122.56113.qm(a)web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > I have been given a Harken Furler for my M15 and was told my sail would have > to > be cut down and a wire run through it.? Also the small boat Harken Furler > doesn't go on your headstay but either behind or infront of it.? Does anyone > have any experience with this? > I would appreciate your input. > ? > Bonnie > M15, Moonbeam > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 35 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:42 PM > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. too little time (dik lang) > 2. PP finaleee... (Lou) > 3. Re: too little time (Gary M Hyde) > 4. Re: too little time (bownez(a)juno.com) > 5. Re: PP finaleee... (John Ledger) > 6. Re: PP finaleee... (W David Scobie) > 7. Re: PP finaleee... (John Ledger) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:55:57 -0700 > From: dik lang <diklang32(a)hotmail.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: too little time > Message-ID: <COL116-W28143412A5253562053710AC760(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > > It has come to that point in my life that I must give up some of my > activities. > Sorry that Montgomery 17 is on the list. Thought I would announce it here > first > because we all know how tongues wag when we see a Monty listed on craigslist! > > My 1983 M-17 Sweet Pea is now officially for sale. I probably won't > actually get around to listing it for a couple days. > > Asking $5000, 4stroke 4 horse Suzuki with maybe 15 hrs on it, rusty trailer > with new tires galvanized wheels, new springs, new standing rigging, two > anchors, new bulkhead mount compass. Out of the water at my house on Vashon > Island, Wa. > > DIK LANG > > diklang32(a)hotmail.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Life without walls. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:28:19 -0400 > From: "Lou" <capnlou(a)ec.rr.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: PP finaleee... > Message-ID: <1EF966C3BB2645ADBACD0CD609066CB1@PHOTOPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were > just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate everyones > comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit. My thanks to > all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP... Lou > Aliotta > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:50:40 -0700 > From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: too little time > Message-ID: <28FA5FCE-B3FE-45C9-BC76-1A1CC0C019C6(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Dik: > Sorry you won't be sailing with us. We will miss you. > > --Gary Hyde > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' > > > > > On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:55 PM, dik lang wrote: > >> >> It has come to that point in my life that I must give up some of my >> activities. Sorry that Montgomery 17 is on the list. Thought I would >> announce it here first because we all know how tongues wag when we >> see a Monty listed on craigslist! >> >> My 1983 M-17 Sweet Pea is now officially for sale. I probably won't >> actually get around to listing it for a couple days. >> >> Asking $5000, 4stroke 4 horse Suzuki with maybe 15 hrs on it, rusty >> trailer with new tires galvanized wheels, new springs, new standing >> rigging, two anchors, new bulkhead mount compass. Out of the water >> at my house on Vashon Island, Wa. >> >> DIK LANG >> >> diklang32(a)hotmail.com >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live?: Life without walls. >> http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:10:46 GMT > From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: too little time > Message-ID: <20090420.221046.4835.0(a)webmail19.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dik, > > Say it isn't so! > Someone is going to get a very fine M17. > > Wishing you the best. > > Bones > > ____________________________________________________________ > Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIk3lyXU5ZEKuKIF2WdkDc3ec… > 4i2LcH0miwh9sVVmGtO7o8lhu/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:46:45 -0700 > From: "John Ledger" <johnledger(a)aoi.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... > Message-ID: <450F19D17C66E44E91CB8AB11B7BE39302050B87(a)aoint2.aoi.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, > not the bucket) > > JOHN In Oregon > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lou > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:28 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: PP finaleee... > > I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it > were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate > everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 > unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the > history of the PP... Lou Aliotta > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... > Message-ID: <279306.76058.qm(a)web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > john: > ? > the discussion has been about the M15. > ? > a quote below from jerryM > ? > ? > dave scobie > M15 #288 - SCRED > visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-sced > ? > ? > quoting jerryM- > ? > jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org > ? > I think this is all documented in the archives.? I originally tooled the 15 > for > an exact fit for the PP35.? vA few years later Thetford dropped the 35, > replacing it with the 135. > I bought all the 35's that I could find in the pipeline, and when they ran > out I retooled the mold to fit the 135. > > I have fit 135's to the 35 bases using a hair dryer, and others have done > it using hot water.? In both cases patience and a beer in hand are helpful. > > jerry > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, John Ledger <johnledger(a)aoi.org> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, > not the bucket) > > JOHN In Oregon > -----Original Message----- > > I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it > were just for me my good old bucket would surley do.? I do appreciate > everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 > unit.? My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the > history of the PP...? Lou Aliotta > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:43:43 -0700 > From: "John Ledger" <johnledger(a)aoi.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... > Message-ID: <450F19D17C66E44E91CB8AB11B7BE393013EE7C0(a)aoint2.aoi.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thanks, Should have caught it. > > ________________________________ > > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of W David > Scobie > Sent: Tue 4/21/2009 6:26 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... > > > > john: > > the discussion has been about the M15. > > a quote below from jerryM > > > dave scobie > M15 #288 - SCRED > visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-sced > > > quoting jerryM- > > jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org > > I think this is all documented in the archives. I originally tooled the 15 > for > an exact fit for the PP35. vA few years later Thetford dropped the 35, > replacing it with the 135. > I bought all the 35's that I could find in the pipeline, and when they ran > out I retooled the mold to fit the 135. > > I have fit 135's to the 35 bases using a hair dryer, and others have done > it using hot water. In both cases patience and a beer in hand are helpful. > > jerry > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, John Ledger <johnledger(a)aoi.org> wrote: > > > > > Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, > not the bucket) > > JOHN In Oregon > -----Original Message----- > > I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it > were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate > everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 > unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the > history of the PP... Lou Aliotta > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 35 > ************************************************ > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 36 > ************************************************ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:16:14 -0700 > From: Jared Prindle <jared(a)tonyhawk.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M15 Hull Flexing Problem > Message-ID: <C61636BE.16661%jared(a)tonyhawk.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I'm just putting out there a problem my #290 M15 has although I don't have > all the details right now. > > I have a trailer with rollers on it and right under the front roller on the > starboard side the hull is bending around the roller. I would say the > deflection is about 1/2 to 3/4 at the center and covers about a 8" diameter. > Amazingly a lapstrake is in this indentation. > > Because of this indent, there is very little pressure on the hull at the > point of contact. There is not any noticeable cracks other then the finest > tiny lines in the gelcoat. I haven't inspected this from inside the cabin > and am not sure if there's access. > > I assume that the boat was sitting on the trailer for a long period, maybe > in hot weather and sorta "sagged" over this roller. I'm thinking that if the > boat was taken off this point of contact, either in the water or if I modify > the trailer the indentation would probably come back out at least partially > but I think that this will always be a soft spot. In fact it's pretty easy > to bend the hull all around this area with my fingers with only a couple > pounds of pressure...even on the lapstrake which is normally a very stiff > spot. > > Solutions? I will probably start by modifying the trailer and putting in a > 12" bunk instead of the wheel to spread the load. I'd like to then > strengthen the location once I get the hull back to normal shape. Hopefully > I could do something from the inside...Any info would be great. I'll keep > everyone posted as how it goes...I > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:15:04 -0700 > From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Hull Flexing Problem > Message-ID: <88162F28ED6B4014A3ADC82D3492FDA6@DDJ69SD1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sounds like it might be a delamination to me. Is this an Ezyloader trailer? > If so, the keel might not be supported at all, which needs to be corrected. > > Sounds to me that the best way to handle this is to have your old man do it! > He needs a project. Say hi for me. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jared Prindle" <jared(a)tonyhawk.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:16 PM > Subject: M_Boats: M15 Hull Flexing Problem > > >> I'm just putting out there a problem my #290 M15 has although I don't have >> all the details right now. >> >> I have a trailer with rollers on it and right under the front roller on >> the >> starboard side the hull is bending around the roller. I would say the >> deflection is about 1/2 to 3/4 at the center and covers about a 8" >> diameter. >> Amazingly a lapstrake is in this indentation. >> >> Because of this indent, there is very little pressure on the hull at the >> point of contact. There is not any noticeable cracks other then the finest >> tiny lines in the gelcoat. I haven't inspected this from inside the cabin >> and am not sure if there's access. >> >> I assume that the boat was sitting on the trailer for a long period, maybe >> in hot weather and sorta "sagged" over this roller. I'm thinking that if >> the >> boat was taken off this point of contact, either in the water or if I >> modify >> the trailer the indentation would probably come back out at least >> partially >> but I think that this will always be a soft spot. In fact it's pretty easy >> to bend the hull all around this area with my fingers with only a couple >> pounds of pressure...even on the lapstrake which is normally a very stiff >> spot. >> >> Solutions? I will probably start by modifying the trailer and putting in a >> 12" bunk instead of the wheel to spread the load. I'd like to then >> strengthen the location once I get the hull back to normal shape. >> Hopefully >> I could do something from the inside...Any info would be great. I'll keep >> everyone posted as how it goes...I >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 37 > ************************************************ >

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Re: M_Boats: M23
by treed＠communitycareinc.com 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

Thanks Joe....please let me know what you come up with to tether it to the boat. It is a good simple way to keep the ladder up. Mine had a bolt I guess to adjust the depth of the bolt. I have to say I am still very impressed with this little boat. I have had a lot of people asking about it which I hope results in more new Monty's coming to our area. Regards Tony E. Tony Reed -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> Subj: Re: M_Boats: M23 Date: Tue Apr 7, 2009 6:03 pm Size: 3K To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Tony, Mine came basically the same way. The only thing that sounds different is that mine has the bolt that just slips through a pad eye strap and into the leg of the ladder. It is simple to remove but I have to be careful where I put it because it isn't tethered in any way to the boat. I haven't changed it yet, but plan to as soon as I can figure out a better mousetrap. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Tony Reed" <treed(a)communitycareinc.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 > Joe, > > I have a question for you. The boarding ladder on my M15 has a stainless > bolt with a not that screws into the foot of the boarding ladder. I holds > it > up securely but obviously it takes a little time to undo. I really have > not > paid much attention to it until the other day when I was putting it back > on > the trailer. How are you securing yours? > > Thanks, > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe > Murphy > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:11 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 > > Tony, > If you are still looking for an M23 check out > http://www.sailingtexas.com/smontgomery23a.html I'm not sure if it finally > sold. The newer M23's look a lot like the Falmouth Cutter which it is > fashioned after. I was very tempted into pursuing the M23 and talked to > Bob > Eeg about it. I told him the "whats and wherefores" for my particular > situation and he strongly suggested the M17 instead. > Will you have a water depth issue in Florida? If not, perhaps you might > want to look at some Falmouth Cutters or the Flickas. I had a NorSea 27 > for > 5 years but the sailing areas where I live here on the outer banks of NC > are > just not conducive to a 4' draft boat unless you stay rigidly within the > channels. Not much fun when I look out my back door to the Bogue Sound > that > is 2 miles wide and 25 long and is about 2' deep in 90% of it. > Glad you are enjoying your M17. I have mine out to do some spring stuff > like bottom washing and touchup and a good varnish job on the little bit > of > teak (compared to the NorSea!!) Plus I'm putting in a 12V system with nav > lights and some interior lights, fans etc. I'm also putting in a fixed > VHF > with a mast antenna. I haven't figured out the best place to locate the > radio. I have a handheld but sometimes it doesn't have quite enough juice > to stay in touch with others. I'll probably go out with a group wide > solicitation of suggestions. > Sailing it is quite a new experience compared to the NorSea. Ten feet > shorter and ten thousand pounds lighter I guess would make a difference. > I > actually have to trim sails!! New learning curve. > BTW was I correct that your boat and mine came cross country together with > a > total of three on the same trailer or was your's the one that came > tranported solo?? My M17 is called Seafrog. > Good luck in your search for the perfect Florida boat and have fun on the > M17 > Joe > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <treed(a)communitycareinc.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 > > --- message truncated ---

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M15 Hull Flexing Problem
by Jared Prindle 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

I'm just putting out there a problem my #290 M15 has although I don't have all the details right now. I have a trailer with rollers on it and right under the front roller on the starboard side the hull is bending around the roller. I would say the deflection is about 1/2 to 3/4 at the center and covers about a 8" diameter. Amazingly a lapstrake is in this indentation. Because of this indent, there is very little pressure on the hull at the point of contact. There is not any noticeable cracks other then the finest tiny lines in the gelcoat. I haven't inspected this from inside the cabin and am not sure if there's access. I assume that the boat was sitting on the trailer for a long period, maybe in hot weather and sorta "sagged" over this roller. I'm thinking that if the boat was taken off this point of contact, either in the water or if I modify the trailer the indentation would probably come back out at least partially but I think that this will always be a soft spot. In fact it's pretty easy to bend the hull all around this area with my fingers with only a couple pounds of pressure...even on the lapstrake which is normally a very stiff spot. Solutions? I will probably start by modifying the trailer and putting in a 12" bunk instead of the wheel to spread the load. I'd like to then strengthen the location once I get the hull back to normal shape. Hopefully I could do something from the inside...Any info would be great. I'll keep everyone posted as how it goes...I

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knot in center board line
by Bonnie Kostka 23 Apr '09

23 Apr '09

When I first got my M15 there was no knot in my line. Connie came out one day to sail with me & quickly changed that & put a knot in the line. Even a beginner like myself could tell the difference in how she sailed. Once again thanks Connie. Bonnie M15, Moonbeam --- On Thu, 4/23/09, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 36 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Thursday, April 23, 2009, 11:19 AM Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (Mark Delin) 2. Re: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (Steve and Diana Parsons) 3. Re: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (Jeff Packer) 4. Re: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position (jerry) 5. Re: Furlers (Bonnie Kostka) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Delin <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <442184.40821.qm(a)web82601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi All, ? How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go?? The previous owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all the way I think.? Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk.? Is is supposed to go down further?? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line.? Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go down all the way?? The boat seems to sail great as is! ? Thanks for any assistance! ? Mark M-15 Seabright San Diego ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:23:39 -0700 From: Steve and Diana Parsons <sparsons(a)canby.com> To: fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <C01CC2BE-3C46-48F7-A6DC-502A5F0843E1(a)canby.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Mark, The knot is the limit for the centerboard. That keeps the board from over extending and hitting against the trunk. Don't untie it. If you search the archives, you will find several threads on the topic. I don't remember the measurement, but it seems like it was about 13 inches of travel from all the way up, to the knot. Hope this helps. Steve On Apr 21, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Mark Delin wrote: > Hi All, > > How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous > owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents > it from going down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes > down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still > within the keel trunk. Is is supposed to go down further? I > suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line. > Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to > go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is! > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Mark > M-15 Seabright > San Diego > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:49:56 -0700 From: "Jeff Packer" <cjpacker(a)theofficenet.com> To: <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <000a01c9c351$397201f0$4606d5d1@jeffandchris> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I believe the trailing edge of the board should extend into the keel trunk a bit. It should not come out of the keel trunk. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Delin" <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Hi All, How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is! Thanks for any assistance! Mark M-15 Seabright San Diego _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 07:01:41 -0700 From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position Message-ID: <D0D1EB116BEE41F7B57ED925A3629764@DDJ69SD1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response The important thing is that the board doesn't bear on the forward end of the slot. The knot is SUPPOSED to be there! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Packer" <cjpacker(a)theofficenet.com> To: <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:49 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position >I believe the trailing edge of the board should extend into the keel trunk >a bit. It should not come out of the keel trunk. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Delin" <fernandelin(a)sbcglobal.net> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:58 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Centerboard position > > > Hi All, > > How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of > our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going > down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so > that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is > supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to > get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want > the centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as > is! > > Thanks for any assistance! > > Mark > M-15 Seabright > San Diego > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka(a)sbcglobal.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Furlers Message-ID: <485122.56113.qm(a)web82402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have been given a Harken Furler for my M15 and was told my sail would have to be cut down and a wire run through it.? Also the small boat Harken Furler doesn't go on your headstay but either behind or infront of it.? Does anyone have any experience with this? I would appreciate your input. ? Bonnie M15, Moonbeam --- On Tue, 4/21/09, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 35 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:42 PM Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. too little time (dik lang) 2. PP finaleee... (Lou) 3. Re: too little time (Gary M Hyde) 4. Re: too little time (bownez(a)juno.com) 5. Re: PP finaleee... (John Ledger) 6. Re: PP finaleee... (W David Scobie) 7. Re: PP finaleee... (John Ledger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:55:57 -0700 From: dik lang <diklang32(a)hotmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: too little time Message-ID: <COL116-W28143412A5253562053710AC760(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" It has come to that point in my life that I must give up some of my activities. Sorry that Montgomery 17 is on the list. Thought I would announce it here first because we all know how tongues wag when we see a Monty listed on craigslist! My 1983 M-17 Sweet Pea is now officially for sale. I probably won't actually get around to listing it for a couple days. Asking $5000, 4stroke 4 horse Suzuki with maybe 15 hrs on it, rusty trailer with new tires galvanized wheels, new springs, new standing rigging, two anchors, new bulkhead mount compass. Out of the water at my house on Vashon Island, Wa. DIK LANG diklang32(a)hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:28:19 -0400 From: "Lou" <capnlou(a)ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <1EF966C3BB2645ADBACD0CD609066CB1@PHOTOPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP... Lou Aliotta ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:50:40 -0700 From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: too little time Message-ID: <28FA5FCE-B3FE-45C9-BC76-1A1CC0C019C6(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Dik: Sorry you won't be sailing with us. We will miss you. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' On Apr 20, 2009, at 3:55 PM, dik lang wrote: > > It has come to that point in my life that I must give up some of my > activities. Sorry that Montgomery 17 is on the list. Thought I would > announce it here first because we all know how tongues wag when we > see a Monty listed on craigslist! > > My 1983 M-17 Sweet Pea is now officially for sale. I probably won't > actually get around to listing it for a couple days. > > Asking $5000, 4stroke 4 horse Suzuki with maybe 15 hrs on it, rusty > trailer with new tires galvanized wheels, new springs, new standing > rigging, two anchors, new bulkhead mount compass. Out of the water > at my house on Vashon Island, Wa. > > DIK LANG > > diklang32(a)hotmail.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: Life without walls. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1b_explore_042009 > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 03:10:46 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: too little time Message-ID: <20090420.221046.4835.0(a)webmail19.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dik, Say it isn't so! Someone is going to get a very fine M17. Wishing you the best. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Free quote and debt consolidation information. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTIk3lyXU5ZEKuKIF2WdkDc3ec… ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:46:45 -0700 From: "John Ledger" <johnledger(a)aoi.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <450F19D17C66E44E91CB8AB11B7BE39302050B87(a)aoint2.aoi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, not the bucket) JOHN In Oregon -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Lou Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 5:28 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: PP finaleee... I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP... Lou Aliotta _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <279306.76058.qm(a)web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 john: ? the discussion has been about the M15. ? a quote below from jerryM ? ? dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-sced ? ? quoting jerryM- ? jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org ? I think this is all documented in the archives.? I originally tooled the 15 for an exact fit for the PP35.? vA few years later Thetford dropped the 35, replacing it with the 135. I bought all the 35's that I could find in the pipeline, and when they ran out I retooled the mold to fit the 135. I have fit 135's to the 35 bases using a hair dryer, and others have done it using hot water.? In both cases patience and a beer in hand are helpful. jerry --- On Tue, 4/21/09, John Ledger <johnledger(a)aoi.org> wrote: Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, not the bucket) JOHN In Oregon -----Original Message----- I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do.? I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit.? My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP...? Lou Aliotta ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:43:43 -0700 From: "John Ledger" <johnledger(a)aoi.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... Message-ID: <450F19D17C66E44E91CB8AB11B7BE393013EE7C0(a)aoint2.aoi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, Should have caught it. ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of W David Scobie Sent: Tue 4/21/2009 6:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: PP finaleee... john: the discussion has been about the M15. a quote below from jerryM dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-sced quoting jerryM- jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org I think this is all documented in the archives. I originally tooled the 15 for an exact fit for the PP35. vA few years later Thetford dropped the 35, replacing it with the 135. I bought all the 35's that I could find in the pipeline, and when they ran out I retooled the mold to fit the 135. I have fit 135's to the 35 bases using a hair dryer, and others have done it using hot water. In both cases patience and a beer in hand are helpful. jerry --- On Tue, 4/21/09, John Ledger <johnledger(a)aoi.org> wrote: Does anyone know if this method works for a M15? ( the PP modification, not the bucket) JOHN In Oregon -----Original Message----- I hate to have made such a Boo Hoo about a bunch of P__ P___ and if it were just for me my good old bucket would surley do. I do appreciate everyones comments and now I feel good about buying the Tetford 135 unit. My thanks to all and especially Jerry for filling me in on the history of the PP... Lou Aliotta _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 35 ************************************************ ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 36 ************************************************

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Montgomery 15 Centerboard position
by Mark Delin 22 Apr '09

22 Apr '09

Hi All, How far down is the M-15 centerboard supposed to go? The previous owner of our M-15 tied a knot in the centerboard line which prevents it from going down all the way I think. Right now, the board goes down far enough so that the trailing edge of the board is still within the keel trunk. Is is supposed to go down further? I suspect so, since I don't know how else to get access to the line. Is there any reason that someone might not want the centerboard to go down all the way? The boat seems to sail great as is! Thanks for any assistance! Mark M-15 Seabright San Diego

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