March 2009 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

An apology
by Gerald Wolczanski 21 Mar '09

21 Mar '09

I would like to take this opportunity to publicly apologize to Bob Eeg for my comment about possibly taking legal action against him (mentioned last night in a note accidentally sent to the forum). The cause of my frustration is the late delivery of our boat, "Robin's Nest", which was slated for completion in June 2008. There were other facts & issues at play which I was not aware of at the time of the posting. I regret hitting the "send" button and hope my actions do not impact Montgomery's future sales. I should note that I was not coerced into sending this note by Bob Eeg. Sorry Bob. Jerry Wolczanski Warrenton, VA

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Re: M_Boats: A new M23?
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 20 Mar '09

20 Mar '09

Hi Gerald, My name is sal. My wife and I went through the same "hunt" and also decided that the M-23 was an ideal yacht. I believe that my wife and I have purchased hull #2. It is a M-23 with a dark green hull, white deck and tan bark sails. We've been waiting quite a while to receive the boat. We've already paid for the boat and trailer in full. He began construction in August of 2004. I understand that Bob Eeg began a 3rd M-23 last year that is also still under construction. When do you expect to get your boat? Do you know what the hull number is? best, sal **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)

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Re: M_Boats: Crane launching - less scary than I thought!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Mar '09

20 Mar '09

The reason I ask is I have seen a boat 'pop apart' at the hull deck joint when lifted without a spreader bar. (longer cheaper boat) GO In a message dated 3/20/2009 9:51:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, matt.marx(a)cox.net writes: Hi Gary, No, I haven't, and that's a good question. I think /hope I made the lines long enough (the hook is about head level when I'm standing in the cockpit) so that the turn over the hull-to-deck joint is shallow enough to keep the line happy, and of course use plenty of chafing protection there. That doesn't solve the problem of compression loads on the hull at that point, which are probably significant. Hmm. Something else to worry about. Matt ---- GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Matt, > Do you use a spreader bar/frame when lifting the boat? > Jerry, what is your take on this? Might not be necessary due to the > relatively low weight of the boat. > > Jus' wunderin' > GO > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

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Re: M_Boats: Crane launching - less scary than I thought!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Mar '09

20 Mar '09

Matt, Do you use a spreader bar/frame when lifting the boat? Jerry, what is your take on this? Might not be necessary due to the relatively low weight of the boat. Jus' wunderin' GO In a message dated 3/19/2009 3:51:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, matt.marx(a)cox.net writes: Like most things, the lead-up was a whole lot more scary than the actual event. I moved my M17 from wet storage to dry storage (mast up on the trailer) recently, where launching is done from a hoist. I've been back and forth from the water to the trailer a few times now, with very little drama. Leading up to the event, I called Bob E and asked him what he thought - should I lift from the toe-rail? Add lifting points into the deck or cockpit somewhere? A sling? Straps, rope or wire? Thanks, Bob, for the advice. I went with an under-the-boat rope sling, like you can see used on Strawanza on the photo page. I used some Endura braid from New England ropes, 10mm, (10,000-lb breaking strength and <1% stretch at 30% of max) and made a couple of lifting lines that terminated in eye spices. The eye splices retain 100% of the line strength, while bowlines only 45%, according to the manufacturer's website. One under the bow, one under the stern, and voila -- oh yeah, had to move the backstay out of the way, which a couple of quickpins made very easy (I tighten the topping lift down to the toe rail to keep the stick upright). Finding a balance point was easier than I thought it would be, with the keel weight below the lifting points. The lifting lines can move fore or aft quite a bit and the boat will still stay level. If you are thinking of lifting/launching your '17 this way and want more info, I'll be happy to chat. Matt, M17 Lily San Diego _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make meals for Under $10. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000002)

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Re: M_Boats: Crane launching - less scary than I thought!
by matt.marx＠cox.net 20 Mar '09

20 Mar '09

Hi Jay, a few pictures will tell that story well, so I'll work on getting some taken next time. The forward line rides at the front edge of the keel, and the aft line is immediately behind the bunk boards. When the boat is in the water and the hoist is slack, I use small secondary lines to keep the main lines in place, tied off to the nearest cleat. Yes, the backstay has to move. I've got slack in the stay and keep it taut with a backstay adjuster while sailing, so just loosen that up and pull the quick pins on the bottom eye fittings; takes 30 seconds. The topping lift tied off to a fitting on the genoa track keeps the mast up and is out of the way of the hoist. Matt ---- Jay Townley <jaytownley(a)alamedanet.net> wrote: > Hello > > I'[m rigging my M17 to use a hoist. Where did you end up as lifting points? > Thanks > >

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Re: M_Boats: Crane launching - less scary than I thought!
by Jay Townley 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

Hello I'[m rigging my M17 to use a hoist. Where did you end up as lifting points? Thanks Oh, did you have to remove the backstay? Jay

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Crane launching - less scary than I thought!
by matt.marx＠cox.net 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

Like most things, the lead-up was a whole lot more scary than the actual event. I moved my M17 from wet storage to dry storage (mast up on the trailer) recently, where launching is done from a hoist. I've been back and forth from the water to the trailer a few times now, with very little drama. Leading up to the event, I called Bob E and asked him what he thought - should I lift from the toe-rail? Add lifting points into the deck or cockpit somewhere? A sling? Straps, rope or wire? Thanks, Bob, for the advice. I went with an under-the-boat rope sling, like you can see used on Strawanza on the photo page. I used some Endura braid from New England ropes, 10mm, (10,000-lb breaking strength and <1% stretch at 30% of max) and made a couple of lifting lines that terminated in eye spices. The eye splices retain 100% of the line strength, while bowlines only 45%, according to the manufacturer's website. One under the bow, one under the stern, and voila -- oh yeah, had to move the backstay out of the way, which a couple of quickpins made very easy (I tighten the topping lift down to the toe rail to keep the stick upright). Finding a balance point was easier than I thought it would be, with the keel weight below the lifting points. The lifting lines can move fore or aft quite a bit and the boat will still stay level. If you are thinking of lifting/launching your '17 this way and want more info, I'll be happy to chat. Matt, M17 Lily San Diego

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Re: M_Boats: Bimini
by Brian Gilbert 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

Hi Joe: I bought a used aluminum-framed bimini on ebay when I first got the boat, and I believe it is a CRITICAL piece of gear. I never got around to installing one on my previous boats, but now that I've tried it, I'll NEVER go back. Sailing in the inland south, we get a lot of days that are just plain hot and still, and the bimini makes these much more bearable. It's like adding a porch to your house... it really increases your living space. My bimini was a little narrow when I got it, so the hinges are fastened to the cockpit seats. This arrangement has plusses and negatives... the negatives are I've lost a little bit of space, and the seat backs are obstructed in a few spots.... I can't comfortably seat six in the cockpit anymore, but that's a bad idea anyway. The plus side is that the arms are clear of the winches, and it's easier to peek over the edge to check the mainsail shape. Still, the eventual plan is to widen the frame and re-stitch the cover (again) to fit the boat better. Hope this helps BG Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer Sailer On Mar 18, 2009, at 8:04 PM, montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > Re the bimini, do any of you M17 owners have a bimini and if so > where did > you find one?

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M15 cruising
by Stan Winarski 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

My wife and I have recently entered our 70s and she now limits us to no more than two nights on the hook. I'm 6'2" @ 185 she's 5'2" at 110 so I take up the most room on the V birth - however, she takes up most of the ample storage on board with "comfort" items. A friend once told one of his yachting friends that we have spent 4 or 5 nights cruising aboard our M15. The guy's response to me was, "On purpose?" Guess I can't blame him, it is a bit like camping in a VW Beetle. There are several major issues you will want to address. A bimini for us is a necessity. Easily attached and detached front, rear, and side curtains are almost a necessity to block the late afternoon sun but an absolute necessity at night (when the porta- potty is moved up into the cockpit since it can't reasonably be used in the cabin once I'm taking up 3/4 of the width and 75% of the length of the bedding. With all our privacy curtains up we resemble a gypsy caravan but that is the price this guy must pay for companionship. Mosquito netting fitted to the companion way is vital for most places we've sailed and will be for the ICW - and this year I'm finally chopping a hole in the front deck and will install a port to get more air below. We bought the boat new in 1981 and have always wanted cross ventilation but putting a hole in a perfectly fine boat was always anathema to me - still is, but I guess at this age we've earned some perks. Bay water is okay for a scrub down but we carry extra fresh water for a rinse off. Thrown together meals are very rarely acceptable. We don't have to have wine glasses but if we're only going to be out two nights, there will be room for them along with three small ice chests. Real pillows and sheets and several blankets all fit nicely on board too. We may sit a little deeper in the water than our single handing companions but we have a great time. Carol can sit up in the cabin. I can too if I sit in the porta-potty well which is quite comfortable for a couple of chapters. Reading is most often done supine with our heads raised on doubled over pillows. Stan Carol II, 1981 M15, #177

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Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
by eisenee＠aol.com 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

We bought our M17 used and it had a sq hole sawed in the fg bulkhead under the big end of the v-berth and the porta-potti can be slid in or out without undoing the bed. Still no privacy but what can you expect in a mini cruiser. Eldor M17 Motu iti **************Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=htt… leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb)

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