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M-17 Outboard Size
by twosailors＠att.net 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Hello, I am in the process of purchasing an M-17 and would like to know what is the best size of outboard to move this boat. Thanks much, Michael Akridge

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My friend says, tell me about your boat. I don't know a thing about boats
by Jim Desnoyers 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

David: A funny piece. Not to quibble too much, but Lyle Hess is proudly claimed by the State of Idaho as a native son. We are often confused with Iowa so Nebraska is not too much of a leap. I reference the following article and weblink. Lyle Hess: A profile By Chuck Malseed Reprinted from Cruising World Feb 1977 http://www.norseayachts.com/lylehess_a_profile.php Best Regards, Jim Desnoyers Ketchum, Idaho A native son of North Carolina montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: >------------------------------ > > >Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:37:38 -0600 >From: "David C. Patterson" <davidcpatterson(a)msn.com> >Subject: M_Boats: My friend says, tell me about your boat. I don't > know a thing about boats. >To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Message-ID: <BLU147-DAV8BC12793ED4503BC03355AC780(a)phx.gbl> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Someone might enjoy this. I had fun writing it to my friend, Joel. > >"Joel.re: boats, specifically sailboats: an archaic mode of transportation >now relegated to the world of entertainment, if, as has notoriously been >commented, standing under a cold shower while tearing up $50 bills is >entertainment (alternate image/description: a hole in the water into which >one throws money). Many afficianados become afflicianados.that is, >afflicted with a marine form of obsession. Now, as to my particular boat: >a Montgomery 17, designed by a Nebraska boy turned yacht designer named Lyle >Hess, justifiably famous for designing old-fashioned-looking, but fast, and >especially sea-worthy, smaller yachts. His stated concern being to make >sure that the boat that got you out there would be able to bring you back. >He mused that he was particularly good at getting speed out of a small boat >design. Through a set of applications of classical physics and an airfoil >based on Bernoulli's principle (in other words: blocks, tackles, lines, and >sails) plus a hopefully well-built and water-tight hull and some sort of >rudder for a steering device, wind as motive power, and a preferably sober >operator, said sailboat provides an opportunity to place oneself at the >mercy of forces not to be conquered but to be endured.or more poetically, >"flowed" with. The operator attempts to function in the weather as it >presents itself. The result is often described by the phrase "That was >fun!" or, "What a blast!" (By the bye, only 10% or so of human beings >never get motion sick. Some of those are sailors, but not all.) By some >estimates there may be about 700 of this particular size and style of boat >in existence, built from the 1970's until contemporary times. Definitely a >twentieth century article that harkens back to much earlier times. When I >was in high school I had a 1957 MGA sports car. You get the analogy, I am >sure, though this boat has more room for all that I fantasized about, back >then. As for your own personal affliction, yes, the combination of light, >shadow, and lines makes it an excellent study for artful black and white >photography. At times photos of recreational sailors have even evinced >expressions of stark but untidy emotions, followed by face-splitting grins >of poorly disguised relief at having survived the sail. Still curious?" > > >

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My friend says, tell me about your boat. I don't know a thing about boats.
by David C. Patterson 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Someone might enjoy this. I had fun writing it to my friend, Joel. "Joel.re: boats, specifically sailboats: an archaic mode of transportation now relegated to the world of entertainment, if, as has notoriously been commented, standing under a cold shower while tearing up $50 bills is entertainment (alternate image/description: a hole in the water into which one throws money). Many afficianados become afflicianados.that is, afflicted with a marine form of obsession. Now, as to my particular boat: a Montgomery 17, designed by a Nebraska boy turned yacht designer named Lyle Hess, justifiably famous for designing old-fashioned-looking, but fast, and especially sea-worthy, smaller yachts. His stated concern being to make sure that the boat that got you out there would be able to bring you back. He mused that he was particularly good at getting speed out of a small boat design. Through a set of applications of classical physics and an airfoil based on Bernoulli's principle (in other words: blocks, tackles, lines, and sails) plus a hopefully well-built and water-tight hull and some sort of rudder for a steering device, wind as motive power, and a preferably sober operator, said sailboat provides an opportunity to place oneself at the mercy of forces not to be conquered but to be endured.or more poetically, "flowed" with. The operator attempts to function in the weather as it presents itself. The result is often described by the phrase "That was fun!" or, "What a blast!" (By the bye, only 10% or so of human beings never get motion sick. Some of those are sailors, but not all.) By some estimates there may be about 700 of this particular size and style of boat in existence, built from the 1970's until contemporary times. Definitely a twentieth century article that harkens back to much earlier times. When I was in high school I had a 1957 MGA sports car. You get the analogy, I am sure, though this boat has more room for all that I fantasized about, back then. As for your own personal affliction, yes, the combination of light, shadow, and lines makes it an excellent study for artful black and white photography. At times photos of recreational sailors have even evinced expressions of stark but untidy emotions, followed by face-splitting grins of poorly disguised relief at having survived the sail. Still curious?" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:36 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 65, Issue 49 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sailing on Lake Superior (Tim Diebert) 2. (no subject) (Ronnie Keeler) 3. Re: Texoma (Eeeisen(a)aol.com) 4. boat transporter (Robert Machado) 5. Re: boat transporter (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) 6. Re: boat transporter (Robert Machado) 7. Re: boat transporter (wcpritchett(a)aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 07:02:39 -0700 From: "Tim Diebert" <tim(a)timtone.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing on Lake Superior To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <004d01c8f0ba$98c21a60$ca464f20$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Great wind! Thanks for that trip report.....nice. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:02:06 +0000 From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) To: Montgomery boats mailing list <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BAY118-W162330328BF8583A99D325AC830(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have had several positive responses to my suggestion of a Rendevous on Lake Texoma. If you look on the internet at a map of the lake, you will see that there is a group of islands near the center of the lake and a number of coves on the Oklahoma side. The islands have sandy beaches and wooded centers and there are several coves that are popular with cruisers and campers. There are no facilities on these islands so one would have to bring along what was needed. I think it would work to have a weekend overnighter from either GrandPappy Point marina or Eisenhower State park to the islands. Folks who would have to be back at work on Monday could go back on Sunday. Those of us who are retired and would like to stay a bit longer could cruise for a day or two more rafting up each evening in the Islands or one of the nice coves along the shore. I also have a 21 foot pontoon boat (yes, an UGH, powerboat) and have asked my Granddaughter and her husband if they would be interested in towing the pontoon up. We could use it to transport BBQ, provisions, canvas gazeebo, folding chairs and tabels for a big BBQ and potluck on an island beach. It would also be a way to transport a spouse who is "White knuckled" about sailing if there is a breeze. Camping is allowed on the beaches for those who can't fit on the Montys. One possibilty is that we might have to pick up litter to have a clean place to use so, the pontoon might have to be the trash barge going back. Mid to late October is a great time on Texoma. The water is still warm, the days are pleasant with cool nights and it is a dry time of the year. Most of the power boat peasants, jet skiers and other Yahoos will be home watching NFL games and the mosquitos will not be too bad. The water in the East end of the lake is clear and reasonably clean for those who might want to swim. It has been several years since I have been there so I would need to go up in advance and check out the area, select a route and find suitable overnighting places. Setting this up will be a lot of work and it would be nice to have someone to share the planning and logistics. Anyone interested? In participating In co-sponsoring Sharing cooking and KP chores Helping older owners launch and retrieve their boats. October is still several weeks off so we have the time to plan a nice outing. Start thinking about dates and let us know what would be good for you. Ron M17 #14 Griselda _________________________________________________________________ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_fam ily_safety_072008 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:49:51 EDT From: Eeeisen(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Texoma To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <c00.3c5bd04d.35bfb51f(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ron I, like you have sailed many times on Texoma but it has now been about 20 years. There is a protected horseshoe cove on one of the islands with room for 15 to 20 boats. I think even us with fixed keels can get our pointy ends up on the dry sand. It is easily reached from Loe's Highport Marina and also an easy sail from Grandpappy's. There is also a protected from 3 sides cove near Grandpappy's that would do for a raftup. I suppose we could put up with the indignity of a stinkpot if it can haul out our garbage. I haven't ever beached on the Ok. side but I would lower myself to that level if you know of good places up there for a party. We are also retired and will be in Utah serving as camp hosts until at least Labor Day and will be home no later than Oct. 1 I hope. Eldor Eisen M-17 Motu iti fixed keel Dorothy says we would be happy to help in any way that we can. Can't match the great job that Sean did! **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:14:42 -0400 From: Robert Machado <bobandroseann(a)hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: boat transporter To: montgomery sailboat owners group <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BAY122-W15AE55FFB41E25A8156FF3A1820(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good boat transporter on the East Coast. I need to ship from South Carolina to Maine. I would appreciate a few names. Thanks. Bob from Maine _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:56:38 -0400 From: <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: boat transporter To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000601c8f115$f51e25a0$df5a70e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've used two companies, one a larger company and the second, a one-man-show-retired-UPS-driver: The first was for a haul from western Montana to Ohio. They were these guys: http://www.deepwatertransport.com Fine job. The office folks and my driver clearly knew what they were doing. The second time, I called them again, but they were not able to haul my boat because the move started and ended in Ohio and they aren't licensed for that in-state move. So I called this guy on someone's recommendation. He also hauls cross-country: Gary Thomas, gtboatmover(a)msn.com, 419-265-0099 He is a one-man show. His trailer is only set up for hauling boats that are sitting on their own cradles or on a trailer. He did a fine job for me and really went the extra mile helping me with the boat even after he was unloaded and ready to move on. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:59:14 -0400 From: Robert Machado <bobandroseann(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: boat transporter To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BAY122-W383160AE84C00956BDFF39A1820(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Tod - I really needed a couple of recomendations. Appreciate it. Bob> From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:56:38 -0400> Subject: Re: M_Boats: boat transporter> > I've used two companies, one a larger company and the second, a> one-man-show-retired-UPS-driver:> > The first was for a haul from western Montana to Ohio. They were these guys:> > > http://www.deepwatertransport.com > > Fine job. The office folks and my driver clearly knew what they were doing. > > The second time, I called them again, but they were not able to haul my boat> because the move started and ended in Ohio and they aren't licensed for that> in-state move. So I called this guy on someone's recommendation. He also> hauls cross-country: > > Gary Thomas, gtboatmover(a)msn.com, 419-265-0099 > > He is a one-man show. His trailer is only set up for hauling boats that are> sitting on their own cradles or on a trailer. > > He did a fine job for me and really went the extra mile helping me with the> boat even after he was unloaded and ready to move on.> > > Tod Mills> M17 #408, 1987 galley model> BuscaBrisas> > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_072 008 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:36:13 -0400 From: wcpritchett(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: boat transporter To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <8CABF8ED193E5EE-14E4-1750(a)webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've found the local tow truck guys with the long sliding ramp truck haul small boats on a trailer for less cost than regular "transporters".??They have slider lengths that will handle the length of 2 cars and don't need any loading/unloading help like the others. Bill P. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Machado <bobandroseann(a)hotmail.com> To: montgomery sailboat owners group <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 8:14 pm Subject: M_Boats: boat transporter Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good boat transporter on the East Coast. I need to ship from South Carolina to Maine. I would appreciate a few names. Thanks. Bob from Maine _________________________________________________________________ Time for vacation? 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Stuck main halyard
by Rodney Holland 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Some of you may recall a posting a few weeks back where I mentioned my main halyard getting jammed /stuck on my recently acquired Monty 17. I keep her tied at the dock and only yesterday got around to taking the mast down and investigating. I notice an interesting thing. There is what is left of a “card” of some type that was between both sets of pulleys for the main and jib halyards. It had holes where the pins for these pulleys went through it and both pulleys and then out the other side of the mast where they were secures with a cotter pin. I’ve never looked this closely at the top of a masthead and thus don’t know if this “card” has a name, or is even very common. It however appears to be the problem. The aft 1/3 of this thing is torn away, leaving not nearly as high a surface as intended to I believe stop what is now happening from occurring. I also think the jagged aft edge is catching the halyard. It appears like this thing is supposed to be a buffer between each haylard.Does this thing have a name? Any ideas on how to replace it? I can probably make one somehow, and I made a good template out of cardboard in case I end up making one out of aluminum or something, but I’d rather just order one if possible. Also, my mainsail has a cord in the luff that gets inserted into the mast and then feeds in while raising. This might all be related, but on all other boats I’ve had I think I had sail slugs that you feed in. I recall that being easier. Do both types exist in your fleet, and what are some opinions out there on each? I want to order some new sails in the next year and am considering the slugs. Thanks in advance for any info! Rodney Holland

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Scratch on my gel coat
by Rob Hicks 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Was putting my boat on the trailer this weekend and scratched my blue gel coat (4 inches, surface level only). Can someone tell me how to fix it so that I don't see it? Thanks all, Rob Hicks

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The Red M17 4-sale
by Mark Escovedo 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Hello, Here is a link to a couple pictures of the M17 4-Sale that Sean put the link to up on the list. http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/MCC2006_01/RED%20M17%2077-78/ I hope the link works, I haven't done this in awhile. Sounds Like a sweet deal! Mark E M17 F/D #103 AMY

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Re: M_Boats: M17 listed in Orange County, CA Craigslist
by Mark Escovedo 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

LOL !!! Sounds like a great deal Though! She sent me some pictures, I'll try and post them tomorrow eve. The color looks to be original, but the gelcoat looks like it could use a good rubbing out. The boat also has the full perforated black anodized gunwale. I asked about the centerboard, It is fully functional and has always moved freely. I'm struggling with this one too! Fair Winds Mark ----- Original Message ---- From: "Nebwest2(a)aol.com" <Nebwest2(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 6:57:40 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 listed in Orange County, CA Craigslist Oh Mark.......I wish you wouldn't have told me that! I mean.....'Jo wishes you hadn't of told me that! hahaha Since Flagstaff is only 3.5 hours from here. .....Good thing 'Jo has a lot of willpower...and control over the checkbook! Sean M23 Dauntless www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… ) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M17 listed in Orange County, CA Craigslist
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

Oh Mark.......I wish you wouldn't have told me that! I mean.....'Jo wishes you hadn't of told me that! hahaha Since Flagstaff is only 3.5 hours from here. .....Good thing 'Jo has a lot of willpower...and control over the checkbook! Sean M23 Dauntless www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… )

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Re: M_Boats: M17 listed in Orange County, CA Craigslist
by Mark Escovedo 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

Hello All!, This Is what I found out about this boat: The owner is Sandy Cea- she is based here in So Cal, but is currently working out of state. The Boat is in Flagstaff Arizona. She believes the boat to be a 1977-78 she's unsure The boat is RED ! :) The new sails were made by Doyle Sails New Main, New Jib, New Drifter. The furler is a slightly over sized Profurl The trailer is less than two years old (not sure of brand) and as the ad says it comes with the outboard. Contact Email for Sandy: info(a)handpaintedillusions.com When I spoke to Sandy she had no knowledge of the MSOG or the owner registry. I said I would forward as much info about the boat as I could, here on the list. I'm waiting for her to send pictures. Again, she travels a lot for her work so there may be a delay in getting back to interested parties. Cheers! Mark E ----- Original Message ---- From: "Nebwest2(a)aol.com" <Nebwest2(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2008 12:14:10 PM Subject: M_Boats: M17 listed in Orange County, CA Craigslist 17 foot Montgomerey sail boat - $6500 ____________________________________ Reply to: see below Date: 2008-06-25, 8:06PM PDT All new sails including main, jib and drifter. New roller furling headsail. New custom trailer. New 6 horse 4 stroke tohatsu engine. Invested $9000.00. Must sell! Please call (949)443-2397 for details. happy shopping, could be a good deal **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000… ) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 Outboard Size
by Michael Akridge 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

Thank you so much for the information. Now I know what size of engine I need to look for. Michael Akridge

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