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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Seattle Owner?
by jon＠jonfreeman.net 08 Sep '08

08 Sep '08

Hello - New member here. My wife and I are selling our Catalina 350, and I am strongly considering the M-17 as a replacement to keep me (primarily) on the water, albeit in a somewhat different fashion. Anyone in the Seattle area willing to show off your boat to a prospective owner and his wife? She likes the looks of it, and we both would really like to see one up close. If it's what I think it is, and the Admiral can see herself on it, I am considering a new one. Early inquiries to the factory came back with a 40 day lead time. Any recommendations from you veterans on ordering from the factory? I sure like the pictures, stories, and videos (Youtube) I've been able to find so far. Regarding Montgomeries, I remember hearing positively gushing reports second hand a number of years ago when I knocked about in a West Wight Potter 19. Still haven't run across one yet in person. Thanks folks, Jon (and Deb) Freeman

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new member
by Steve Tundermann 01 Sep '08

01 Sep '08

Hi, I just joined the mailing list and would like to introduce myself. My name is Steve and I currently own a 1981 Pearson P26 [anyone interested in buying her?]. Unfortunately, my firstmate [and lifemate] has gotten increasingly uncomfortable on the water and I am not prepared to single-hand the P26. We sail on the Great South Bay on the south shore of Long Island, NY. Winds there are typically around 10-12 knots during the summer. However the bay is shallow in many spots and you have to watch where you're going. I was surfing the web for daysailers that I could single-hand and trailer when I came across the Montgomery site. Looks ideal to me. I would like to get a closer look at an M15 or M17 is there is an owner in the area. I should add that I spend part of every week [M-Th] in Rhose Island, in case there are any owners on Narragansett Bay. With a stout little boat like a Montgomery, I might even be able to entice my mate back on to the water. happy sailing, Steve

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sailing in ID
by larrypegg＠aol.com 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

Wife and I are going to CJ strike reservoir this weekend and next.? any one want to join?? we will be heading out Friday morning and coming back sat night. ?then to church and back out again to cascade lake sun and monday. that's the plan right now anyway. At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 208 249 0538

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Re: M_Boats: pennant attachment
by Michael Ray Wisely 29 Aug '08

29 Aug '08

Hi gang, I just had to do this and I used the dacron line Jerry suggest but had it professionally spliced with the tightest loop they could manage and a tightening and tapering of the splice as much as they could without losing strength. I put the shackle thru the loop. The result was that I can lift the board all the way to the loop as the splice is thin enough to fit thru the hole . I believe that a proper splice is stronger than a bowline. It works well so far, My two. Michael Ray Molly M. SF Bay

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CB connection shackle
by David C. Patterson 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Thanks, Arnold, for the info re: the CB shackle. That adds to the list of considerations I have collected, namely 1) line size, 2) knot size, 3) trunk swelling, 4) CB rusting, 5) stop tang breakage, 6) foreign items, like gravel (how would a sailor get gravel in a centerboard slot? Well...) and now from you 7) shackle width and length. As a side note someone mentioned the reasonable habit of easing the board all the way down and then bringing it up a little before cleating it. Doing that, I have found, decreases the amount of water that squirts up out of the trunk in chop. Perhaps the trunk isn't such a confined area with only that small opening, when the board is slightly up. Anyway, it has worked for me. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 12:14 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 66, Issue 35 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Soggy in Ketchikan (Ronnie Keeler) 2. Re: Stuck CB on M17 due to stop pin tang wear (Arnold Sharpe) 3. Re: Soggy in Ketchikan (chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:07:14 +0000 From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BAY118-W5390E1BE941E55C692BFBEAC610(a)phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is are severals solution for the problem of slugs coming out of the track when the sail is lowered. The method I use is a "gate" that closes off the feed slot once the slugs are in the track. It attaches to the mast with two knurled captive screws and is flush with the inside of the track. I will check with my machine shop buddy to see how much he would charge to make some of more these "gate closers". Another solution is to feed the slugs in at the dock before hoisting the sail and use use a stop above the feed slot to keep the slugs above the opening and putting ties or bungies on the furled sail until you are ready to raise it. This is great for cruising since you only have to feed the slugs once rather than every time you raise the sail. The "rasberries" are for folks who fail to recognize that there are different ways of doing things depending on personal preference and physical abilities. I know that Griselda's sail slugs, lazy jacks, downhauls and reefing lines make her slower to windward than without them but........ I am an old man with two artificial knees and bad hips who usually sails single handed. I would love to to have the agility I had at age 50 but, I have to live with my limitations and modify my boat to meet my needs. As she is set up with lazy jacks, single point jiffy reefing on a full batten main and downhauls, I can set, strike or reef my sails without going out of reach of my tiller extension, climbing over the travler, or scuttling along the side decks. If I were a young guy of 50 and raced her, I would probably have a suit of racing sails with boltrope and strip off every bit of windage I could from the rig. Danielle expressed her displeasure with feeding a boltrope and some of us suggested an alternative. She seems pleased with the results and is less prone to corrupt her family members with her explatives; so......... OK fine. I really enjoyed the debate about the relative merits of slugs vs. boltropes but, as my (then 100 year old Great Grandmother) once told me, "there are more ways to kill a cat than choking it on hot butter". Danielle, If you would be interested in trying one of the "gate closers" like I use, I will try to get or make one for you. I would need to know the size of the feed opening or have a tracing from your mast. If you keep your boat in the water or fully rigged on the trailer, it is very nice to have lazy jacks to contain the sail as it is lowered and jiffy reefing but they do add to set up time if you have to raise and lower the mast every time you sail. Enjoy your Monty and have fun. Ron M17 #14, fixed keel "Griselda" > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:40:22 -0400> From: paint4real(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > Save the raspberries. They don't travel far over water and usually get blown back into the slider's cockpit, because the targeted bolt-roper is to windward and in a forward position.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 8:08 am> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > > > Danielle,> > Nice to hear you are alive and well ,tough soggy. Now that you have had a > chance to have slugs put on Ceto's main as I suggested (and started a storm of > controversy on the site), I hope you will join me in a collective rasberry to > those who are willing to endure feeding a boltrope to gain 1/10th knot of upwind > speed in light air. When I suggested doing it yourself, I forgot that not > everyone has the tools, time or patience to "do-it-yourself" so, I am glad Bob > advised finding a sailmaker. Having a reasonably priced sailmaker in the wings > is invaluable.> > There are many types of sailors and when I was an agile young man with teenage > daughters to crew for me, I was a "Boy Racer/ boltroper" in the Snipe class > where every 1/10th knot was important. Now that I am an old, hobbled up > singlehanded cruiser and daysailer, I will sacrifice that marginal bit of speed > for convenience and safety (I can set and strike my main and jib from the > security of the cockpit). One makes a choice of what kind of sailor one wants > to be and equips the boat to suit his/her needs. Life is full of choices.> > Happy sailing> > Ron> M17 #14, fixed keel> Griselda> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:20 -0700> From: anniesark9(a)yahoo.com> To: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > Hi all,> > I am back checking email again - I got so behind with three sets of > out-of-town guests all through July! I'm so glad you guys were checking my > website. I do have new photos to put on there - I will get them up tomorrow - > I've been avoiding the computer, knowing how much mail I'd have waiting!> > When > my Dad and his wife were visiting for a couple of weeks, we got out sailing > several times, and he was delighted with "Ceto"! Being a very seasoned sailor, > and skeptical of the worth of a small boat, he was impressed by the M17's > abilities. He sailed her into the dock a couple of times, as he detests starting > up the outboard, and he just *had* to try it. We tried it with the genoa one > evening> , then the main the second. He was so sold on a smaller sailboat, I had > to give him my book on sailing small cruisers which he couldn't put down. > > > Another thing I've done in the last month of avoiding the computer is that I > found a sailmaker here in town, as Bob on the list suggested, and the sailmaker > put slugs on my mainsail, and repaired a small burnhole in its luff for only > $43.00. I was astounded, as I would have paid twice that to have avoided doing > it myself. The sail is SO much easier to handle now!!! The difference has been > huge, and with that old soft sail and my rusty abilities, I can't tell any > difference in the performance. Just a lot fewer four letter words being tossed > into the wind, is all!> > Our weather has been HORRIBLE for the last three weeks > - pouring rain 24/7 - cold and not even decent enough wind to be worth getting > the sails drenched. I haven't sailed at all this month. The weather here is > often this way though, I just go into denial when it's nice. > > I'll stay > caught up now, and send a note when I get new photos up.> > Thanks for thinking > of me!> > Danelle Landis> "Ceto" M17 #378> Ketchikan, AK> http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 7:18:27 AM> Subject: M_Boats: Danielle?> > > Have > we heard from Danielle in Alaska lately?> > I was going to check to see if she > had updated her website, but I no > longer have it.> > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> _________________________________________________________________> Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beearn how to burn a DVD with Windows.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/> ___________> ____________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:11:59 -0700 From: Arnold Sharpe <afsharpe(a)mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Stuck CB on M17 due to stop pin tang wear To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <38C58CB6-E1A6-41D4-8573-B4260518AA10(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed One other thing to consider for CB connection is the size of the shackle. My "LITTLE BREEZE" had a stuck board a couple of years back, caused because the shackle was to wide and got turned and wedged. It was a real pain getting it unstuck. I replaced the shackle with one that was less wide and for that matter shorter too as a long shackle can get wedged between the top of the CB and the trunk. Regards..Arnold Sharpe..M-17 #265 'LITTLE BREEZE" On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:33 PM, Bill Lamica wrote: > Hi David, > I remembered seeing a suggestion made by Jerry Montgomery. The > paragraph > below is taken from the page link: > > http://www.msogphotosite.com/M17CICBord.html > > "A tip from Jerry Montgomery: The line used to raise and lower > the CB is > 5/16... The trick is to cut away about 4" of the internal core and > use that > part to tie off at the CenterBoard, making the knot small enough > to fit > properly in the CB Trunk". > > Bill > > > > > > > On 8/26/08, David C. Patterson <davidcpatterson(a)msn.com> wrote: >> >> Here is another possible centerboard problem: getting it stuck in >> the down >> position, but not due to swelling of board or case. My M17 (Cloud >> Girl, >> #393) was reported when I bought it this March to have had the >> centerboard >> refinished, and indeed has a new 3/8" yachtbraid pendant. But >> after my >> first solo sail a week ago, the board would not come up. I still >> managed >> to >> get it on the trailer, barely and very tilted, and got it back to the >> storage yard at the south Denver reservoir where I sail her. >> Yesterday I >> had the yard workers lift her, we tapped out the stop pin, and >> discovered >> the board was jammed against it because the tang was worn just >> enough. >> Amazingly, it jammed hard enough to support the weight of the >> boat! A >> little welding built up the tang sufficiently to stop against the pin >> again. >> The pendant was still attached with a somewhat fat but tight >> bowline. But >> after the boat was back on the trailer, I discovered the knot was >> so big >> that it had broken through some damaged fiberglass at the top of the >> centerboard case. I had noticed a bulge and thought it to be >> water damage >> somehow. Now I will get to repair that area, after I connect the >> pendant >> to >> the board in a better way. Why isn't it spliced on, I wonder? >> Winter work >> on the board system coming up. My appreciations to all who have >> shared >> about their board work, and left photos on the msog.org site. Just >> knowing >> how everything is situated helped me make this problem >> manageable. As to >> the solo sail, I need to arrange a jib downhaul for soloing. >> While she is >> a >> very forgiving boat, there are times when going forward to drop >> the jib >> seems foolhardy. And how is it that the M17 seem so nimble and so >> beefy at >> the same time? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:13:26 -0400 From: "chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net" <chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <48B59946.7020706(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Let's see.... With a hanked on jib, has anyone ever had it not come down when you wanted to drop it? ....add a jib downhaul and it always works. Absolutely. With fancy roller furling jibs, I've heard of lots, ... and partially seen, some of the malfunctions that modern technology bestows on us sailors. When they fail to furl when needed, as the wind is rising and it is high time to shorten sail, where is the factory rep to lend a hand or his expertise? When you finally get back to the dock or are able to anchor, do you send the malfunctioning unit back to the manufacturer for a refund....? I guess I'm just too old fashioned a sailor. I want things to work when the chips are down and my life and the safety of our ship depends on it. Sail slugs or track slides are in the same category. They work, and you don't need two hands to pull a bolt rope out of the track as the boat wildly gyrates. ....and it's driving rain, and the bolt rope is stuck in the slot.... now what? I'll take safety over a 1/100th knot advantage any day. ......as an after thought, modern fin keel monstrosities are also disasters waiting to happen, as proven by the latest accident in the Gulf of Mexico where a "modern" fin keel racing boat lost a keel and rolled over, killing one crew member. Loose a keel....? Sorry, but I never want to loose a mast, nor a keel, and I choose my ship accordingly. ....... any other calamity I can handle. Connie Ronnie Keeler wrote: > There is are severals solution for the problem of slugs coming out of the track when the sail is lowered. The method I use is a "gate" that closes off the feed slot once the slugs are in the track. It attaches to the mast with two knurled captive screws and is flush with the inside of the track. I will check with my machine shop buddy to see how much he would charge to make some of more these "gate closers". Another solution is to feed the slugs in at the dock before hoisting the sail and use use a stop above the feed slot to keep the slugs above the opening and putting ties or bungies on the furled sail until you are ready to raise it. This is great for cruising since you only have to feed the slugs once rather than every time you raise the sail. > > The "rasberries" are for folks who fail to recognize that there are different ways of doing things depending on personal preference and physical abilities. I know that Griselda's sail slugs, lazy jacks, downhauls and reefing lines make her slower to windward than without them but........ I am an old man with two artificial knees and bad hips who usually sails single handed. I would love to to have the agility I had at age 50 but, I have to live with my limitations and modify my boat to meet my needs. As she is set up with lazy jacks, single point jiffy reefing on a full batten main and downhauls, I can set, strike or reef my sails without going out of reach of my tiller extension, climbing over the travler, or scuttling along the side decks. If I were a young guy of 50 and raced her, I would probably have a suit of racing sails with boltrope and strip off every bit of windage I could from the rig. > > Danielle expressed her displeasure with feeding a boltrope and some of us suggested an alternative. She seems pleased with the results and is less prone to corrupt her family members with her explatives; so......... OK fine. I really enjoyed the debate about the relative merits of slugs vs. boltropes but, as my (then 100 year old Great Grandmother) once told me, "there are more ways to kill a cat than choking it on hot butter". > > . > . > . > Danielle, > > If you would be interested in trying one of the "gate closers" like I use, I will try to get or make one for you. I would need to know the size of the feed opening or have a tracing from your mast. If you keep your boat in the water or fully rigged on the trailer, it is very nice to have lazy jacks to contain the sail as it is lowered and jiffy reefing but they do add to set up time if you have to raise and lower the mast every time you sail. Enjoy your Monty and have fun. > > Ron > M17 #14, fixed keel > "Griselda" > > > > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:40:22 -0400> From: paint4real(a)aol.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > Save the raspberries. They don't travel far over water and usually get blown back into the slider's cockpit, because the targeted bolt-roper is to windward and in a forward position.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 8:08 am> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > > > Danielle,> > Nice to hear you are alive and well ,tough soggy. Now that you have had a > chance to have slugs put on Ceto's main as I suggested (and started a storm of > controversy on the site), I hope you will join me in a collective rasberry to > those who are willing to endure feeding a boltrope to gain 1/10th knot of upwind > speed in light air. When I suggested doing it yourself, I forgot that not > everyone has the tools, time or patience to "do-it-yourself" so, I am glad Bob > advised finding a sailmaker. Having a reasonably priced sailmaker in the wings > is invaluable.> > There are many types of sailors and when I was an agile young man with teenage > daughters to crew for me, I was a "Boy Racer/ boltroper" in the Snipe class > where every 1/10th knot was important. Now that I am an old, hobbled up > singlehanded cruiser and daysailer, I will sacrifice that marginal bit of speed > for convenience and safety (I can set and strike my main and jib from the > security of the cockpit). One makes a choice of what kind of sailor one wants > to be and equips the boat to suit his/her needs. Life is full of choices.> > Happy sailing> > Ron> M17 #14, fixed keel> Griselda> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:20 -0700> From: anniesark9(a)yahoo.com> To: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > > Hi all,> > I am back checking email again - I got so behind with three sets of > out-of-town guests all through July! > ! I'm so > glad you guys were checking my > website. I do have new photos to put on there - I will get them up tomorrow - > I've been avoiding the computer, knowing how much mail I'd have waiting!> > When > my Dad and his wife were visiting for a couple of weeks, we got out sailing > several times, and he was delighted with "Ceto"! Being a very seasoned sailor, > and skeptical of the worth of a small boat, he was impressed by the M17's > abilities. He sailed her into the dock a couple of times, as he detests starting > up the outboard, and he just *had* to try it. We tried it with the genoa one > evening> , then the main the second. He was so sold on a smaller sailboat, I had > to give him my book on sailing small cruisers which he couldn't put down. > > > Another thing I've done in the last month of avoiding the computer is that I > found a sailmaker here in town, as Bob on the list suggested, and the sailmaker > put slugs on my mainsail, and repaired a small burnhole in its luff for only > $43.00. I was astounded, as I would have paid twice that to have avoided doing > it myself. The sail is SO much easier to handle now!!! The difference has been > huge, and with that old soft sail and my rusty abilities, I can't tell any > difference in the performance. Just a lot fewer four letter words being tossed > into the wind, is all!> > Our weather has been HORRIBLE for the last three weeks > - pouring rain 24/7 - cold and not even decent enough wind to be worth getting > the sails drenched. I haven't sailed at all this month. The weather here is > often this way though, I just go into denial when it's nice. > > I'll stay > caught up now, and send a note when I get new photos up.> > Thanks for thinking > of me!> > Danelle Landis> "Ceto" M17 #378> Ketchikan, AK> http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 7:18:27 AM> ! > Subject: > M_Boats: Danielle?> > > Have > we heard from Danielle in Alaska lately?> > I was going to check to see if she > had updated her website, but I no > longer have it.> > > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> _________________________________________________________________> Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beearn how to burn a DVD with Windows.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/> ___________> ____________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _________________________________________________________________ > See what people are saying about Windows Live. 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Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan
by Danelle Landis 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Connie wrote: "I guess I'm just too old fashioned a sailor. I want things to work when the chips are down and my life and the safety of our ship depends on it...I'll take safety over a 1/100th knot advantage any day." Well said! I don't mind taking fun risks, like leaving up a little too much sail in too much wind, but I don't like my boat choosing my thrills for me by way of cranky hardware, or design ill-suited to my sailing needs. Danelle Landis "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html Danelle Landis > "Ceto" M17 #378 > Ketchikan, AK > http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html >

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Re: M_Boats: slugs and keel measurement
by Danelle Landis 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Thanks for the measurement Carlos. Joe, any photos would be great, if you have the time. We have browsed through the site's photos too, but it would be nice to get a close-up of that particular area of the trailer, for sure! Thanks, Danelle Landis "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html

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M17 Keel Width
by Carlos 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Hello Danelle- Glad to hear you enjoyed time with family. The keel width at its widest point appears to be 4 3/8" (four and three eighths inches). Depending on where you measure on keel (keel is slightly tapered from top to bottom). I measured from approximately center of keel (fore/aft) and edge to edge width. It's a little difficult to place ones head directly under keel for an exact measurement, but I am very close with my measurements. I hope this helps. Carlos M17 #304 Hemet, CA

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slugs and keel measurement
by Danelle Landis 28 Aug '08

28 Aug '08

Ha ha - raspberrying will just add to the general dampness around here anyway. I'll settle for an annoying smug grin. I really have more of a cruiser's outlook on sailing - speed doesn't really enter my mind much. My dad really cracked me up with his cruiser mentality. We'd be out for and evening sail, and he'd suggest going just to "that interesting island", and then "wow the wind is so great - how about the lighthouse island...", then "how far is Sitka from here, anyway..." ha ha. On another topic - we are trying to get a trailer we bought modified for Ceto, and we would be so grateful if someone could measure the width of the bottom of the keel for us. (The beam-to-beam width at the thickest part) Our dock is slated for demolition and rebuilding next month, so we've got to get to work! Thanks! Danelle Landis "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html ----- Original Message ---- From: "paint4real(a)aol.com" <paint4real(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:40:22 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan Save the raspberries. They don't travel far over water and usually get blown back into the slider's cockpit, because the targeted bolt-roper is to windward and in a forward position. -----Original Message----- From: Ronnie Keeler <ronkeeler(a)hotmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 8:08 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan Danielle, Nice to hear you are alive and well ,tough soggy. Now that you have had a chance to have slugs put on Ceto's main as I suggested (and started a storm of controversy on the site), I hope you will join me in a collective rasberry to those who are willing to endure feeding a boltrope to gain 1/10th knot of upwind speed in light air. When I suggested doing it yourself, I forgot that not everyone has the tools, time or patience to "do-it-yourself" so, I am glad Bob advised finding a sailmaker. Having a reasonably priced sailmaker in the wings is invaluable. There are many types of sailors and when I was an agile young man with teenage daughters to crew for me, I was a "Boy Racer/ boltroper" in the Snipe class where every 1/10th knot was important. Now that I am an old, hobbled up singlehanded cruiser and daysailer, I will sacrifice that marginal bit of speed for convenience and safety (I can set and strike my main and jib from the security of the cockpit). One makes a choice of what kind of sailor one wants to be and equips the boat to suit his/her needs. Life is full of choices. Happy sailing Ron M17 #14, fixed keel Griselda> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:20 -0700> From: anniesark9(a)yahoo.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Soggy in Ketchikan> > Hi all,> > I am back checking email again - I got so behind with three sets of out-of-town guests all through July! I'm so glad you guys were checking my website. I do have new photos to put on there - I will get them up tomorrow - I've been avoiding the computer, knowing how much mail I'd have waiting!> > When my Dad and his wife were visiting for a couple of weeks, we got out sailing several times, and he was delighted with "Ceto"! Being a very seasoned sailor, and skeptical of the worth of a small boat, he was impressed by the M17's abilities. He sailed her into the dock a couple of times, as he detests starting up the outboard, and he just *had* to try it. We tried it with the genoa one evening , then the main the second. He was so sold on a smaller sailboat, I had to give him my book on sailing small cruisers which he couldn't put down. > > Another thing I've done in the last month of avoiding the computer is that I found a sailmaker here in town, as Bob on the list suggested, and the sailmaker put slugs on my mainsail, and repaired a small burnhole in its luff for only $43.00. I was astounded, as I would have paid twice that to have avoided doing it myself. The sail is SO much easier to handle now!!! The difference has been huge, and with that old soft sail and my rusty abilities, I can't tell any difference in the performance. Just a lot fewer four letter words being tossed into the wind, is all!> > Our weather has been HORRIBLE for the last three weeks - pouring rain 24/7 - cold and not even decent enough wind to be worth getting the sails drenched. I haven't sailed at all this month. The weather here is often this way though, I just go into denial when it's nice. > > I'll stay caught up now, and send a note when I get new photos up.> > Thanks for thinking of me!> > Danelle Landis> "Ceto" M17 #378> Ketchikan, AK> http://web.mac.com/anniesark9/Site/Sailing_Ceto.html> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 7:18:27 AM> Subject: M_Boats: Danielle?> > > Have we heard from Danielle in Alaska lately?> > I was going to check to see if she had updated her website, but I no > longer have it.> > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to beearn how to burn a DVD with Windows. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ ___________ ____________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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