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Mainsail pre-feeder
by Larry E Yake 29 May '08

29 May '08

>My solution was a terrific little ball-bearing guide that fit into the slot just below the opening into which you feed the bolt rope. The item you describe is still available. Here's the West Marine link. I've considered getting one, but they're rather expensive, and I really don't have much trouble with my boltrope. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SiteSearchView?catalo gId=10001&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&keyword=mainsail+feeder&Ntt=mainsail+f eeder&N=377+710&y=8&x=32&storeId=10001&Ntk=Primary+Search&ddkey=SiteSearc h ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3ni3cvXCKIcaZVXB9Rr7Ouvay…

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Sail Feeders re: Steve Sweeney's mail.
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 May '08

29 May '08

Hope this helps - - _http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270807.asp_ (http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d273000/e270807.asp) NFIW I have gotten good service. Balls, roolers and slots WHEEEEE! Gotta be something to get your sail up. GO GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: First sail finally!
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 29 May '08

29 May '08

That bolt-rope jam surely is a nuisance if you're single-handing and there's a brisk breeze and a chop while you're trying to get some sail up. In fact, when I first set up my M15, 24 years ago now, I had all lines leading aft into the cockpit, including a jib downhaul, and I figured I'd be running the show from the helm at all times, but the first few attempts to raise the main required that I keep reaching forward to clear a bolt-rope jam -- and having to release my hold on the tiller if the jam was a 2-handed rescue -- and I realized it wasn't really a single-handed rig, quite. My solution was a terrific little ball-bearing guide that fit into the slot just below the opening into which you feed the bolt rope. The head of the sail was fed through the guide FIRST, and then into the wide opening of the slot and then on up the mast. The guide was essentially a pincer shape, the way your thumb and middle finger would look if ringed around a PVC tube, say, with steel ball-bearings attached to "the tips of your thumb and finger." The bearings were adjustable, so that the clearance between them permitted the sail to pass through, but the rope was captured behind them (inside the ring of the fingers, so to speak) and, so, fed cleanly into the opening and up the mast. Rigging at the ramp was a bit of a checklist, as the boom's gooseneck had to go in first and drop down out of the way, then the guide screwed into the slot above it (but still below the wider opening.) Unfortunately, there was one design flaw -- if the adjustment was too loose, the bearings would fall off, as the "designer" hadn't worked out how to include a retainer of some kind (or if there was one, was perhaps a plastic or rubber O-ring and disintegrated over time). When a bearing about 7/8 of an inch falls onto the cabin top on a boat being tossed about by the chop, while you're trying to get some sail area exposed, it can get lost. I had it for 23 years, carefully monitoring the adjustment, and then my son began to take his highschool football playing buddies out on the boat, and "suddenly" the bearings inexplicably disappeared. I have searched in vain for the device, though I have to believe it or something like it is still on the market. I have the design well remembered, and could fairly easily replicate it with some metal stock from the local hardware and a drill bit and die to cut some screw threads. (The steel bearings might be hard to come by. Wooden substitutes would work fine, I think.) I now always trailer, after years in a slip and the attendant weather wear on the boat, but the idea of switching over to slides is certainly intriguing. One thing it would permit is getting the main hanked on in the slip or before ramp launching, yet being able to keep it flaked low on the boom to minimize windage, which can be an issue in a marina if the breeze is up and you don't have a lot of room. With the bolt-rope arrangement, you're left to raise the main about halfway, just to get the job well underway, but there's that other half that's going to jam. I wish I could post photos here, at least of sketches, to make more clear the workings of the guide that feeds the bolt rope up into the mast opening. After I design and build a replacement for the now-lost version, I'll report back on it . . . unless I go with slides, in the interim. I'm not getting any younger, and I sometimes take the easy way out, especially if it frees up time for sailing. Steven Sweeney M15 #324 "Shenanigans" (1985) Stillwater, Minnesota ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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First sail finally!
by Danelle Landis 29 May '08

29 May '08

Hello all, We finally got Ceto out of the boatyard and into her slip at a different harbor. The sail itself took about five hours, and we had all five of us (me, husband and kids - 13, 11 and 3 years old) with us. Kids had never sailed before, husband had once twenty-five years ago or something, (but has tons of powerboat/professional fish guiding experience), and I hadn't sailed in twenty years... We came out of the boatyard's dock in gorgeous sunshine, about a 15 knot breeze, cruising under power through the scattering of rocky islands, planning to raise the sails when out in the channel, where we would have some room to fuss with the unfamiliar systems. We were all chatting when the engine unceremoniously died. As we drifted between three islands, my husband called out, "Get the sails up, Danelle...and I hope you know what you're doing!" Well, that jump-started my heart. I struggled with the makeshift sail tie (yes, one long tie - I hadn't made up real sail ties yet), got the halyards mixed up, frantically jammed the bolt rope into the track, and started hauling. That was when I realized that this bolt rope thing is a whole different game than the track system our boats had used that my family had sailed. Here we were, floating helplessly into these rocks, and the stupid thing kept jamming. I got it up halfway, just enough for the wind to drift us into a dock that was, incredibly luckily for us, right downwind. A private house sits up on the island, and we floated in, tied up, got the engine going again and started back into the channel. We got our courage up again (my non-sailing family was a bit rattled, of course), enjoying our rare sunny, warm, breezy day, and raised both the main and jib. The wind was swirling a bit, so we were on a beam reach, broad reach, then wing-and-wing, then becalmed right as we passed my inlaw's beach house, where I of course, wanted to be sailing gloriously past. ha. We got sort of relaxed in the becalming, but should have been more alert, as it was only a switch in wind direction! I was messing with the centerboard trunk, where we hadn't fixed the large ragged hole where the line comes up yet, and it was blurping (is that a word?) about a quarter cup of saltwater into the cabin every few minutes. It was disturbing, along with the sloshing of the water in the cockpit from the drains with definitely need one-way sea cocks installed! Anyway, distracted by light, swirling winds, sloshing water, a sleepy and cranky 3-year-old, I took the helm from my husband, all of us just sort of spacing out...then of course a 20 knot gust swung around and knocked us down hard. My poor husband was sitting on the lee side, stern, and the water came sluicing over the toe rail about six inches from his rear, and then I pinned him there by my sudden, instinctual shove of the tiller leeward in a desperate attempt to round up. It had been so long since I'd sailed, and never had sailed such a small boat, I'd forgotten to pop the mainsheet in a knockdown...even though I'd just lectured the family about it an hour earlier. My poor family was so freaked out, and I was even a bit shaken, because this was an old boat we'd never had out before - not enough time to establish trust in a boat, for sure. All that went through my mind was "I KNOW I read that no M17 has capsized before." The rest of the sail was *awesome*! We stuffed a shirt sleeve into the CB trunk, the three-year-old fell asleep, we sailed long gorgeous tacks into our harbor, we saw humpback whales, got sun soaked (a wonderful thing in a place that gets thirteen FEET of rain annually!), and fell totally in love with our M 17! On our second sail, my husband was having so much fun I couldn't wrest the tiller from him! (His excuse was, that I am "so much better at the sails, so I could do that..." ha) I've been practicing docking, and have been so amazed at the responsive, quick handling compared to the large sailboats I grew up on, and the smaller power boats I've run, that float around like corks. The outboard has run perfectly since - it had been sitting in the former owner's garage for awhile, and our initial test run must not have worked the clogs through the system well enough. So, how can I raise that mainsail without it jamming so badly, from the cockpit? I've been raising it from the deck, one-handedly while un-jamming with the other hand. Danelle Landis "Ceto" M-17 #378 Ketchikan, AK

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Introduction - New Members - M12
by Dinkum1＠aol.com 29 May '08

29 May '08

Good evening to everyone: I just wanted to introduce myself. Hubby and I bought an (1973 - Hull 103) M12 yesterday and we are so excited. We live in Northeast Florida (south of Palatka) and will be sailing her in the St. Johns River and several of the lakes available to us in the area. She is in fair condition and will need a little work before we can splash her, but hope to do so really soon. We have previously owned a 27' Bristol and a 20' Montego. I haven't been able to find a lot of information on the M12 and would appreciate it if anyone can direct me to additional information available on the net. Michelle **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: Don't forget to sign up in the Owners Regisrty
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 29 May '08

29 May '08

In a message dated 5/29/2008 9:46:37 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montyowners/ Sean, Thank you for editing my listing, Don't forget the Ran-Tan devous! GO **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Re: M_Boats: 4th of July sailing
by Richard Everett 29 May '08

29 May '08

Well, I think Tom may have not realized we live only 25 miles or so from Lake Washington. Idaho would be a 6+ hour drive. We are not really expecting to get great sailing in, we are going for the fun and celebration of 4th of July. I agree that better sailing is to be found on Elliott Bay, but we have done that a number of times in our M17 and various larger sailboats. Besides, I think the trip from Lake Washington to Lake Union is going to much shorter than waiting in line at the locks and the rather long journey down the ship canal. We have rafted up in Lake Union in past years (not in this sailboat) for the fireworks show, and it was a load of fun. Also, we have a few friends who will be bringing a ski boat and a jet ski to Lake Washington so it is more a party event than a sailing event. And who knows, sometimes the wind kicks up a bit in the lake too. Rick > -------Original Message------- > From: W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 4th of July sailing > Sent: 28 May '08 18:03 > > rick: > > i'm with tom on this ... why go on lake WA? > > here are my opinions - > > * lake washington doesn't have much 'sailable' wind in the summer > * lake washington is CROWDED on holidays and weekends > * lake washington is filled with alcohol fueled PWCs, ski-boats and > speed-boats that have no idea the rules of the road when on-the water (or > off becaue the booze) > * did i mention the lake is crowed with powerboats ... well because of all > these boats putting out BIG WAKES that bounce off of all the shore lake WA > becomes this giant confused sea of waves -- think of your worse tide-rip > situation and it is the entire lake! > * the launch ramps are CRAZY with folks ... do you wish to be in the > middle of this having to rig the boat? > > i've sailed lake WA many times in craft smaller and larger than > M15/17/23s. only once was it enjoyable - mid-week off season where there > was wind and NO ONE ELSE on the water (was in a neptune 24 in the late > 70s). > > in general no location around puget sound where one can view fire works > that is enjoyable, again in my opinion, on a boat. > > being in a 'small boat' with all the big, fast and drunk-filled boats > zipping around means one would spend the time avoiding 'CRUNCH' to their > lapstrake hull. > > my 2-cents. > > > dave scobie > M15 #288 - SCRED > visit Scred's www-site: [LINK: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred] > www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > > > _RICHARD EVERETT <RICK(a)SKYKO.COM>_ wrote: > My wife and I are going to put in on Lake Washington the morning of the > 4th. We plan to spend the day sailing around the lake and then motor up to > Lake Union, raft up to the other boats and watch the fireworks. > > We have never put in on Lake Washington with a sailboat, and I was > wondering which boat launch you guys prefer? I was considering Magnuson > Park, since it has 4 ramps and 120 spaces, but maybe there is a better > place on the north side of the lake? (we are coming from the east) Best bet > is to get there early, since it would really bite to set up your sailboat, > launch it, then find out someone took your parking space. :-) > > Any chance we will see another Monty on the lake on the 4th? > > Rick > M17-635 Eidolon > > >

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4th of July sailing
by Richard Everett 28 May '08

28 May '08

My wife and I are going to put in on Lake Washington the morning of the 4th. We plan to spend the day sailing around the lake and then motor up to Lake Union, raft up to the other boats and watch the fireworks. We have never put in on Lake Washington with a sailboat, and I was wondering which boat launch you guys prefer? I was considering Magnuson Park, since it has 4 ramps and 120 spaces, but maybe there is a better place on the north side of the lake? (we are coming from the east) Best bet is to get there early, since it would really bite to set up your sailboat, launch it, then find out someone took your parking space. :-) Any chance we will see another Monty on the lake on the 4th? Rick M17-635 Eidolon

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Genoa rigging
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 May '08

28 May '08

Strange offset u-bolts in order? I think a set of those wildly expensive snatch blocks would be easier and multi-purpose. Still use BH when necessary. GO PS How is Team Geezer North Chapter doin'? Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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M-15 Genoa rigging
by jim sadler 28 May '08

28 May '08

S kippers I am getting a 125 genoa for the Pelican. I need advice on how to run the sheets. Do you skippers run a Genoa track with snatch block? Do you install an additional cleat? Pelican will be launched on 4 th of July at Dana Point** I am excited!!! Will no longer be a virtual sailor Thank to everyone on this list who helped me restore the Pelican. Captain James A Sadler skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15

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