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monty 15 questions
by Chris Smith 30 Dec '08

30 Dec '08

I've got a M15 that I found in gov't salvage in Bismarck ND. Originally it was from TX (according the the registration on the hull) and came with little to no documentation. I had the title and put it somewhere very safe, as it was the only bit of real history the boat had. And it remains very safe in it's spot... whereever that may be. I've read that there is an ID plate on the upper left corner of the stern, but I couldn't find it on this boat. Is it on the inside? (man that would be a tight squeeze to get back in there!) I seem to remember that it was manufactured in '81 or possibly '82... Any advice on getting a bit more history on it? I see some of you posting with numbers next to your make... I can only imagine that it is the manufacture number. Also, I'd like to repaint or gelcoat the hull. Anyone have good ideas on how to do this? I saw this<http://creativeadviceinc.com/support/modifications.html> website in which they suspend a Mac26 to paint. I dunno if my garage will support my boat. My boat sat at the bottom of a harbor in TX for an indeterminable amount of time and the toerail is a bit rough as well. Any advice on restoring the teak? Thanks in advance for all the help, I realize I'm shoving a bunch of things into this one message that may have been addressed many times in the past. Thanks! -- Chris M15

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Fatty Knees?
by Andrei Caldararu 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

Dear all, I would need a quick opinion on what to get as my third boat (I know, two is not enough...). I have an M17 which I enjoy a lot, but it takes a while to rig and get going; sometimes I have only two hours or so, and would like to be able to go on the water quickly. My second vessel is a 16 foot Sawyer fiberglass canoe. This one I can keep near the water, and go with it any time. However, I really enjoy the feeling of being pushed by the wind, so I see three options: a) Add a sailing rig to my canoe; b) Epoxy and bottom paint the M17, and keep it on a mooring all the time; or b) Get a third boat. In case I go with c), small and easy to rig would be must haves. I've been scouring the internet a lot for ideas, but have not yet found the perfect boat. Here are some alternatives I see: 1) Get an M15 (and maybe, in time, if I see I only use the M15, sell the M17); hard to find in the Midwest, and 2) Get something like a Fatty Knees. How well does it behave as a standalone sailboat? 3) Get a small catamaran; I have my eyes on a McGregor Venture Cat 15. However, I have never sailed a cat, so I have no idea what it's like. Would you be willing to chime in on these options? Anyone tried a sailing canoe rig? A cat? A Fatty Knees? Is it a pity and a shame to bottom paint the beautiful lines of the M17? Thanks, Andrei.

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Transducer
by david_hill＠idg.com 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

Hi Joe -- Yes, I have the Navman 3100. The transducer is the In Hull 2" Puck Depth Transducer, Navman Part: AA002161R. Good luck, David M17 Grouper -------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:44:47 -0500 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Depth sounders To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <F1653BB33A40418F984D8F794CC0596D@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi David, Thanks for the input. Can you tell me which NavMan model do you have? The 3100? Which model transducer did you select? Thanks, Joe M17 Seafrog

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Re: M_Boats: Split backstay adjuster purchase block sizes
by JDavies104＠aol.com 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

In a message dated 12/29/08 10:34:39 AM, seagray(a)embarqmail.com writes: > SD-002530 > Joe, Go to www. duckworksbbs.com, and look under Hardware/Blocks and Sheaves/Stainless Steel Fiddle and Becket blocks. It's the last item, SD-002530. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaol…)

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Re: M_Boats: Pulling an M17 with a Subaru is workable if few grades
by Hughston, Larry 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

Thanks and drive safely, would not want that M17 damaged ; ) -Larry -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David C. Patterson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:22 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Pulling an M17 with a Subaru is workable if few grades Larry, my Outback has a 4 cylinder, not super charged, and pulls the M17 fine. IF...the grade isn't too steep and I don't have to stop quickly. A tongue weight of 200 lbs, trailer weight of 2000 lbs (if memory serves), and a hitch rating of 3000lbs are what the 2006 Outback is rated for. Again, if memory serves. Not an ideal tow vehicle. But I am trapped east of the Divide with this vehicle, though I may try for Flaming Gorge through Wyoming this summer. Or maybe up to Lake Francis Case. I am seriously landlocked here in Colorado. As usual, getting the trailer to move is far easier than getting it to stop. My Subaru already had a substantial transmission cooler, stock, but I added a bigger one. I keep the brakes maintained. Someday I'll have a trailer with brakes, and a bigger tow vehicle. For now this gets me back and forth to the water, if I am careful. I opted for the boat over a bigger vehicle for the time being. The boat is more satisfying. Message: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:36:25 -0800 From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <5EFE2F415E9DBE4FAABCC2040AC11AB704C09F43(a)smf00exch103.dgsaccounts.dgs.c a.go v> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David, I am usually pretty much a quiet reader of the blogs on this Monty site. I have old hull number 189, Montgomery 15, now pretty much restored(1981, December, built by Jerry Montgomery). I am curious about the size of your Subaru engine?. I am pulling my m15 with a 1990 Camry Wagon, 4 cylinder. No guts but when I pull the M15 boat I am VERY smooth and slow and NEVER in overdrive! I would never chance a trip up the hill to Lake Tahoe for instance. I am amazed that you can pull an M17 with your Subaru. I did have my mechanic install a transmission cooler just for a little insurance. ----Thanks, Larry Hughston, Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David C. Patterson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group 2008 was my novice sailing season, made very satisfying through help from this group, and from the msog.org site. Thank you all. I searched for my first boat over several years and decided on a Montgomery. In March I brought home a neglected 1985 M17 galley model from Texas to Colorado behind my Subaru wagon, right at the limit of its capacity. After a long process of getting the trailer titled and licensed (jeesh!)and repairing some necessary items (the mast compression post, for example) I got Cloud Girl, as she is now named, in the water at local Chatfield Reservoir in August. I sailed her through November. After some notable clumsiness (groundings, near knockdown in a cloudburst, etc.) I had a great first season of sailing, singlehanded, even getting the spinnaker up a few times. I had sixteen trips out, eight of which were overnight, for my goal is to learn to cruise, and mostly docked without using the outboard. I guess that I am no longer a complete novice. Maybe in 2009 I will actually go somewhere on by boat. I look forward to my 60's sailing. Again, thank you all, especially Tod Mills for his sharings as a singlehander, and Bob Eeg for his generosity with time and information. The best of the season to you all. David Patterson M17 #393 Cloud Girl _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 70, Issue 35 ************************************************ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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2008 Appreciation for the group
by David C. Patterson 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

2008 was my novice sailing season, made very satisfying through help from this group, and from the msog.org site. Thank you all. I searched for my first boat over several years and decided on a Montgomery. In March I brought home a neglected 1985 M17 galley model from Texas to Colorado behind my Subaru wagon, right at the limit of its capacity. After a long process of getting the trailer titled and licensed (jeesh!)and repairing some necessary items (the mast compression post, for example) I got Cloud Girl, as she is now named, in the water at local Chatfield Reservoir in August. I sailed her through November. After some notable clumsiness (groundings, near knockdown in a cloudburst, etc.) I had a great first season of sailing, singlehanded, even getting the spinnaker up a few times. I had sixteen trips out, eight of which were overnight, for my goal is to learn to cruise, and mostly docked without using the outboard. I guess that I am no longer a complete novice. Maybe in 2009 I will actually go somewhere on by boat. I look forward to my 60's sailing. Again, thank you all, especially Tod Mills for his sharings as a singlehander, and Bob Eeg for his generosity with time and information. The best of the season to you all. David Patterson M17 #393 Cloud Girl

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Too many boats?
by Stan Winarski 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

Years ago I saw a pretty boat named, "My Last Sailboat III" Stan Carol II M-15, 1981 #177

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Re: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group
by Hughston, Larry 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

David, I am usually pretty much a quiet reader of the blogs on this Monty site. I have old hull number 189, Montgomery 15, now pretty much restored(1981, December, built by Jerry Montgomery). I am curious about the size of your Subaru engine?. I am pulling my m15 with a 1990 Camry Wagon, 4 cylinder. No guts but when I pull the M15 boat I am VERY smooth and slow and NEVER in overdrive! I would never chance a trip up the hill to Lake Tahoe for instance. I am amazed that you can pull an M17 with your Subaru. I did have my mechanic install a transmission cooler just for a little insurance. ----Thanks, Larry Hughston, Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David C. Patterson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group 2008 was my novice sailing season, made very satisfying through help from this group, and from the msog.org site. Thank you all. I searched for my first boat over several years and decided on a Montgomery. In March I brought home a neglected 1985 M17 galley model from Texas to Colorado behind my Subaru wagon, right at the limit of its capacity. After a long process of getting the trailer titled and licensed (jeesh!)and repairing some necessary items (the mast compression post, for example) I got Cloud Girl, as she is now named, in the water at local Chatfield Reservoir in August. I sailed her through November. After some notable clumsiness (groundings, near knockdown in a cloudburst, etc.) I had a great first season of sailing, singlehanded, even getting the spinnaker up a few times. I had sixteen trips out, eight of which were overnight, for my goal is to learn to cruise, and mostly docked without using the outboard. I guess that I am no longer a complete novice. Maybe in 2009 I will actually go somewhere on by boat. I look forward to my 60's sailing. Again, thank you all, especially Tod Mills for his sharings as a singlehander, and Bob Eeg for his generosity with time and information. The best of the season to you all. David Patterson M17 #393 Cloud Girl _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Depth sounders
by david_hill＠idg.com 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

Message: 6 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:44:59 -0500 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Super deal on Raymarine stuff To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <2B86175BF601481EAEE7DA52897B87E7@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Are there any M-17's with depth sounders? Advice?? Happy New Year, Joe ------------------------------- Hi Joe -- I have a Navman depth sounder in my M17 that has worked flawlessly. I want no holes below the waterline, so the transducer is mounted inside the hull under the v-berth with silicon caulk. Works great. David M17 Grouper

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Re: M_Boats: Split backstay adjuster purchase block sizes
by JDavies104＠aol.com 29 Dec '08

29 Dec '08

Bruce, I did the same thing last winter with my M-17, and came up with the following setup: Johnson Marine backstay car, Mauripro Sailing part JOH38203 (I take it you already have this). Small fiddle block, Duckworks Part No. RL-378-A, shackled to an eye on the transom, Trapeze & vang cleat, Duckworks Part No. SD-002530, shackled to the backstay car. The trapeze and vang cleat has a single block and a built-in clam cleat. This was the hardest part to find, since all fiddle arrangements with attached cleat I could find were too big. Combined with the sheave on the car, this gives the effect of a fiddle block at the upper end. The control line starts at the becket on the bottom of the vang cleat, down to the lower sheave on the transom fiddle, up and around the sheave on the car, back down to the upper sheave on the transom fiddle, and back through the block in the vang cleat, where it's fastened by the clam cleat. (I think that's how it goes, but I'm not on the boat now - it's kind of obvious how to do it when you're looking at it). Very easy to get at and adjust. It turns out that the control line tension is quite modest, even when the stay is tightened down hard. I've found this arrangement works very well under tough conditions, and all the parts are small, light, and strong. Good Luck, Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaol…)

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