December 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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M17 interior space
by JENNIFER GARCIA 23 Jan '09

23 Jan '09

After a long fruitless search for a 17 in my area, I hope the membersm of the list can help answer my question regarding interior space for multi-day outings. Better would be any photos of 6'plus owners on the v-berth and sitting below. Can anyone help? Thanks, Mike

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Singing Rudder
by James Poulakis 23 Jan '09

23 Jan '09

Sailing even with a moderate breeze makes Spirit's rudder hum loud enough to drown out the Pillar Point fog horn. The rudder is new and doesn't seem to be warped. Is there a trick to stop this or is it just a Monty thing? Jim Poulakis "Spirit" (M17)

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Re: M_Boats: lost M23's
by Julie Muller 21 Jan '09

21 Jan '09

Hi Sean.In your last message you mentioned the last 5 M 23's to be found, I might know of one. There is another M 23 here in Bend, Oregon , it is named "OVERTIME" and is owned by Mark Lewis. Mark and his family have taken many a bold adventure on OVERTIME over the many years they have owned her. When I first laid eyes on their boat I put M23's on my short list of boats to own. ..John

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Pulling an M17 with a Subaru is workable if few grades
by David C. Patterson 10 Jan '09

10 Jan '09

Larry, my Outback has a 4 cylinder, not super charged, and pulls the M17 fine. IF...the grade isn't too steep and I don't have to stop quickly. A tongue weight of 200 lbs, trailer weight of 2000 lbs (if memory serves), and a hitch rating of 3000lbs are what the 2006 Outback is rated for. Again, if memory serves. Not an ideal tow vehicle. But I am trapped east of the Divide with this vehicle, though I may try for Flaming Gorge through Wyoming this summer. Or maybe up to Lake Francis Case. I am seriously landlocked here in Colorado. As usual, getting the trailer to move is far easier than getting it to stop. My Subaru already had a substantial transmission cooler, stock, but I added a bigger one. I keep the brakes maintained. Someday I'll have a trailer with brakes, and a bigger tow vehicle. For now this gets me back and forth to the water, if I am careful. I opted for the boat over a bigger vehicle for the time being. The boat is more satisfying. Message: 7 Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:36:25 -0800 From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <5EFE2F415E9DBE4FAABCC2040AC11AB704C09F43(a)smf00exch103.dgsaccounts.dgs.ca.go v> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" David, I am usually pretty much a quiet reader of the blogs on this Monty site. I have old hull number 189, Montgomery 15, now pretty much restored(1981, December, built by Jerry Montgomery). I am curious about the size of your Subaru engine?. I am pulling my m15 with a 1990 Camry Wagon, 4 cylinder. No guts but when I pull the M15 boat I am VERY smooth and slow and NEVER in overdrive! I would never chance a trip up the hill to Lake Tahoe for instance. I am amazed that you can pull an M17 with your Subaru. I did have my mechanic install a transmission cooler just for a little insurance. ----Thanks, Larry Hughston, Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David C. Patterson Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:04 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: 2008 Appreciation for the group 2008 was my novice sailing season, made very satisfying through help from this group, and from the msog.org site. Thank you all. I searched for my first boat over several years and decided on a Montgomery. In March I brought home a neglected 1985 M17 galley model from Texas to Colorado behind my Subaru wagon, right at the limit of its capacity. After a long process of getting the trailer titled and licensed (jeesh!)and repairing some necessary items (the mast compression post, for example) I got Cloud Girl, as she is now named, in the water at local Chatfield Reservoir in August. I sailed her through November. After some notable clumsiness (groundings, near knockdown in a cloudburst, etc.) I had a great first season of sailing, singlehanded, even getting the spinnaker up a few times. I had sixteen trips out, eight of which were overnight, for my goal is to learn to cruise, and mostly docked without using the outboard. I guess that I am no longer a complete novice. Maybe in 2009 I will actually go somewhere on by boat. I look forward to my 60's sailing. Again, thank you all, especially Tod Mills for his sharings as a singlehander, and Bob Eeg for his generosity with time and information. The best of the season to you all. David Patterson M17 #393 Cloud Girl _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 70, Issue 35 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Split backstay adjuster purchase block sizes
by JDavies104＠aol.com 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

I felt the same way when I found Duckworks last year. They seem to specialize in dinghy racing hardware - light and strong - just what M-boats need. Rick ************** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp& icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)

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Split backstay adjuster purchase block sizes
by Bruce Ward 31 Dec '08

31 Dec '08

Thanks for your information on the backstay adjuster Rick...Duckworks is a new source- a parting from the big box suppliers.

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Re: M_Boats: painting hull
by John R. Butler 30 Dec '08

30 Dec '08

For Chris: My '86 had badly faded gelcoat. My sailing buddy (half my age and thrice my capabilities, I'm 80 and fully disabled) wet sanded the entire hull, filled all dings, then painted it with an automotive two-part poly paint. Above the water, will last for years just like the new cars do. It is BEAUTIFUL! I can give color photos and paint specs off line if wished. John R. Butler theoldcat(a)cox.net First M15 was "Joy", '83 #264 Now sail "Rejoyce!", '86 #361

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One more request for your support before the end of the year.
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 30 Dec '08

30 Dec '08

Hello WrinkleBoaters! Happy New Year wishes from the desert! I hope you got your sailing bits you were looking for in your stockings and are reading your new copies of sailing periodicals!!!! I am sure we are all flush with money being as though it is post holidays, and a rip roaring economy seems to have just rolled over us like a big ol'wave ! Okay - so that may not be the most accurate picture of the economy, how about this - We, (Gary O. and Jerry M. aka Team Geezer Racing "Old and In the Way") are in need of your financial support for our fund raising mission for the Leukemia Cup Regatta at Lake Pleasant, AZ on January 16-18th, 2009. We truly thank ALL of those that have been SO generous in supporting the effort thus far. Now we need the others that may have forgotten of just needed to see if we could raise some money. We have an excellent start on our goal of $2500. but we need your help! This is our last request for this year - 2008, I will be asking after the first of the year for those that have met your philanthropic goals for 2008! LOL. We have been promised some additional funds for 2009, but we need every bit we can to meet our goals. The sponsoring club has asked that we choose a person affected by Leukemia to honor by 'naming' the boat after that person. I have chosen this young man - Saulo Morris, he went to my kids High School and made some decisions that would make anyone proud. (see the link to story) _http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2008/12/03/2008120… xsaulo1203.html_ (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2008/12/03/20081203…) Please help if you can - $100, $50, $25, $10, we would be honored if you could help us at the $5 level! Any amount is welcome - It is easy to do and if you want to remain anonymous you can do so. Thank You for your help and support. I know times are tough, but we need to continue to help anyway we can. Five bucks is good, ten is great and anything above that and we freak out! Please visit our donations web page if you can help - Last year we won the Leukemia Cup trophy for PHRF Non-Spinn. (Jerry M. did that bit o' sailin') We're shooting for winning the whole 'enchilada' this year and we would love to have you as a part of the Team! _http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupdms/lcrGOberbe_ (http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupdms/lcrGOberbe) (http://www.active.com/donate/leukemiacupdms/lcrGOberbe) This is the third year 'Team Geezer' will have raced the Leukemia Cup and we expect great things... I hope you can be a part of our Race to Save Lives. In memory of Saulo Morris. Thank You, Gary Oberbeck/ Jerry Montgomery M-17 # 316 "Racing for Saulo Morris" Team Geezer Racing...Old and in the Way **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000…)

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Re: M_Boats: sailing canoe rig
by John R. Butler 30 Dec '08

30 Dec '08

Andrei, In the '60s I bought a Grumman 17' canoe with the Old Town sailing rig (mast, gunter sail, two lee boards, rudder) and sailed it many years. Gave it to a daughter, canoe got folded around a big rock, later got a used 13' Grumman "light weight," got my old sail back and gear back, overpowered the 13 footer (ie. sailing was even more fun!) I do some freelance writing, if you'd like an e-mailed copy of one of my yarns about sailing the 13', contact me off line. Canoes are marvelous sailboats, one has never dumped me, have planed one downwind. Did some overnight cruising, but tough trying to sleep aboard! John R. Butler theoldcat(a)cox.net "If you don't learn something new today, you aren't paying attention"

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