November 2007 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Hull Repair
by Bonnie Kostka 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

Any suggestion about repairing small but deep gashes in the hull. Also what to do about chipping on the edge or lip of the deck just above the hull . Just took my boat out of the water for the winter. Doing some of the repairs I've read about here. Monty 15 - Hull 396 - 1987 Moonbeam Bonnie Montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Blowholes and backflow (david_hill(a)idg.com) 2. temporarily unsubscribe (Martin.Zebzda(a)kp.org) 3. RE: temporarily unsubscribe (Mike Frederick) 4. boarding ladder (steve pearse) 5. Re: boarding ladder (Larry E Yake) 6. Re: boarding ladder (EinkaufR43(a)aol.com) 7. Re: boarding ladder (steve pearse) 8. Re: boarding ladder (steve pearse) 9. RE: name change Buttercup (Roberta Dvorscak) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:13:49 -0400 From: david_hill(a)idg.com Subject: M_Boats: Blowholes and backflow To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I found pretty simple and satisfactory solutions to both these problems. I take a small strip of rag about an inch wide and four inches long, wrap it a couple of times around the centerboard rope and push it tight against the blowhole. I get a bit of hissing but no water. Of course by the end of the season the piece of rag could be mistaken for a biology experiment, but rags are cheap. For the stern drains I simply bought a couple of 85-cent corks at the hardware store and stick them in before I leave the mooring. In the event I take on serious water (has happened a couple of times) I can just kick them out with my toe and things drain. David Hill M17 619 Grouper ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:40:39 -0800 From: " Richard Everett " Subject: M_Boats: M17 leak To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20071029154039.24878.qmail(a)coolhost77.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" We came up with a pretty simple plug for the "blowhole" effect in the M17 by slicing a piece of 2 inch long rubber tubing (something like the black rubber automotive fuel line tubing) which had an ID that was a tight fit around the line used to draw up the keel and had an OD that was a snug fit into the "blowhole". Actually, I trimmed a section of a piece of tubing that was too large to fit in the hole down a bit so that it would not get permanently stuck down in the hole. So all in all, it makes for a nice gasket to keep the water out of the cockpit. Having said all that, we still get water in the cockpit because even in a mild chop water seems to flow in through the stern cockpit drain holes. They have backflow prevention devices inline, but for some reason a trickle will still flow through and after awhile there is around a half inch of water sloshing around in the aft section of the cockpit. It does get above this amount because then it starts draining back out. I was considering installing some sort of ball valve shutoff for the two drain lines, but it would be bad to forget to open them up and then get a serious amount of water suddenly in the cockpit. :-( Maybe the solution is to always wear heavy rubber boots... ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:08:55 -0700 From: Martin.Zebzda(a)kp.org Subject: M_Boats: temporarily unsubscribe To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Please take me off the e-mail list at this time. Sorry for the inconvenience NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:17:51 -0500 From: "Mike Frederick" Subject: RE: M_Boats: temporarily unsubscribe To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <000901c81bea$59adf8d0$1401a8c0@yourf78bf48ce2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Martin, If you click on the "mailman....." link at the bottom of the mail list and go to the bottom of that page there is a place to unsubscribe. Mike -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Martin.Zebzda(a)kp.org Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:09 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: temporarily unsubscribe Please take me off the e-mail list at this time. Sorry for the inconvenience NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharing, copying, or otherwise using or disclosing its contents. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete this e-mail and any attachments without reading, forwarding or saving them. Thank you. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:09:40 -0700 From: steve pearse Subject: M_Boats: boarding ladder To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <3EFFF921-40B9-412E-AFBC-5A787929EA97(a)whidbey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed As a M-15 (1981 vintage) owner who plans to place a mooring buoy this spring, I've decided to mount a permanent boarding step/ladder. Any recommendations, re product line(s), best model(s)? Thanks in advance for whatever guidance folks might provide! ÂSteve on Whidbey Island, WA Steve Pearse sspearse(a)whidbey.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:18:04 -0700 From: Larry E Yake Subject: Re: M_Boats: boarding ladder To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20071031.191804.3924.7.leyake(a)juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Steve, Randy Graves has a nice ladder on his M17 that would be good on your 15, too. Here's a copy of his message to someone else that was looking for a ladder. >Windline makes a 4-step folding ladder that was my choice for our M17. See http://tinyurl.com/fvow7 for pictures. This ladder is used on the Potter 19, and last I checked was only available for purchase through International Marine. Here is the ladder listed for $160 on their web site http://www.westwightpotter.com/content/MiniShopProduct.phtml?0/0/177 . I have a similar Windline model from West Marine, but it only has 3 steps. Larry On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:09:40 -0700 steve pearse writes: > As a M-15 (1981 vintage) owner who plans to place a mooring buoy this > > spring, I've decided to mount a permanent boarding step/ladder. Any > > recommendations, re product line(s), best model(s)? Thanks in > advance for whatever guidance folks might provide! > > ÂSteve on Whidbey Island, WA > > Steve Pearse > sspearse(a)whidbey.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 05:33:39 EDT From: EinkaufR43(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: boarding ladder To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" My ladder choice just arrived yesterday. Ebay has Windline TT-3X 3 step ladders for $89.00 plus UPS of $16.00 CA to MI. This is a "Buy it Now, multiple auction directly through the manufacturer. They had six to sell of this model when I ordered mine last week, but I bet they know how to get more. Ron Stanton M-15 #249 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:22:45 -0700 From: steve pearse Subject: Re: M_Boats: boarding ladder To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <8ECC1EFF-AA0B-453D-9CE2-A592E0BFB7F2(a)whidbey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Ron, thanks very much for taking the time to send this info my way. I appreciate it! ÂSteve on Whidbey On Nov 1, 2007, at 2:33 AM, EinkaufR43(a)aol.com wrote: > My ladder choice just arrived yesterday. Ebay has Windline TT-3X 3 > step > ladders for $89.00 plus UPS of $16.00 CA to MI. > This is a "Buy it Now, multiple auction directly through the > manufacturer. > They had six to sell of this model when I ordered mine last week, > but I bet > they know how to get more. > Ron Stanton > M-15 #249 > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// > www.aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Steve Pearse sspearse(a)whidbey.com ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:27:37 -0700 From: steve pearse Subject: Re: M_Boats: boarding ladder To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <10C6D468-5CF0-4A71-A8B9-5BDF8BEB573A(a)whidbey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks much for the information, Larry. I appreciate your taking the time to do so! ÂSteve on Whidbey On Oct 31, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > Steve, > > Randy Graves has a nice ladder on his M17 that would be good on > your 15, > too. Here's a copy of his message to someone else that was looking > for a > ladder. > >> Windline makes a 4-step folding ladder that was my choice for our >> M17. > See http://tinyurl.com/fvow7 for pictures. This ladder is used on the > Potter 19, and last I checked was only available for purchase through > International Marine. Here is the ladder listed for $160 on their web > site http://www.westwightpotter.com/content/MiniShopProduct.phtml? > 0/0/177 > . > > I have a similar Windline model from West Marine, but it only has 3 > steps. > > Larry > > > On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:09:40 -0700 steve pearse > writes: >> As a M-15 (1981 vintage) owner who plans to place a mooring buoy this >> >> spring, I've decided to mount a permanent boarding step/ladder. Any >> >> recommendations, re product line(s), best model(s)? Thanks in >> advance for whatever guidance folks might provide! >> >> ÂSteve on Whidbey Island, WA >> >> Steve Pearse >> sspearse(a)whidbey.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Steve Pearse sspearse(a)whidbey.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:25:48 -0700 From: "Roberta Dvorscak" Subject: RE: M_Boats: name change Buttercup To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <000d01c81d00$119b3910$7e00f204@edarts> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is already a yellow hulled Montgomery 15 in Port Townsend Wa. sporting the name of Buttercup. I know there are lots of boats with the same name but just thought I'd chime in on the chance that you might want to know. Mark Dvorscak -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of chbenneck(a)juno.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:53 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: name change Hi Bobby, ..... or "Buttercup"? Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1 ***********************************************

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Don't forget about the corks!
by brian gilbert 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

Hi David (and everybody else on the list) Everyone probably already knows this, and would NEVER do it themselves, but... If you cork the stern drains, don't forget to remove the corks when you leave the boat. I have a seacock at the stern drain, and closed it off one sail when I had a few guests aboard to prevent water flowing in from the slightly overweight contents of the cockpit. I forgot to open it up when I packed up for the day. When I came back to the boat the next weekend, I noticed she was sitting kinda funny in the water. We'd had a heavy rain during the week, and the cockpit was filled with water. Opening the main hatch, I discovered that the water had flown over the sill and partially covered the cabin sole to about three inches. I pumped like crazy. Luckily it didn't reach anything electrical and there was no real damage, but there was condensation and plenty of mildew everywhere. I took the opportunity to give the boat a good wash and complete wipedown of the interior. No damage, but it was embarrasing and potentially disasterous. I like the idea of using a cork, 'cause there's an obvious visual cue. A scheduled improvement to my boat will be a laminated fiberglass sill that will go under the traveller and bolted to the boat (so another owner can undo it if he/she wants) as well as a straight thru-hull between the transom and the cockpit, above the level of the cockpit sole but below the top of the sill. Best to all BG -- Brian Gilbert Author, Fix It And Sail, The Complete Trailer-Sailor Marine Media 3404 Hartford Dr Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:25:49 -0600 To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1 For the stern drains I simply bought a couple of 85-cent corks at the hardware store and stick them in before I leave the mooring. In the event I take on serious water (has happened a couple of times) I can just kick them out with my toe and things drain. David Hill M17 619 Grouper

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Re: M_Boats: Hull Repair
by chbenneck＠juno.com 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

Hi Bonnie, The first thing you need is the WEST System "Product Guide & Technical Manual" (WESYS #1999)book. It's free, and you can probably pick up a copy at WEST Marine. WEST System also have a "Fiberglass Boat Repair and Maintenance" book (WESYS #002-550 that costs all of $3.00 which covers 20 different types of boat repair projects: bottom blisters; delaminations; punctures and holes; reinforcement and mounting hardware on deck are just some of the many topics covered. The book covers all sorts of repairs including the types of cosmetic problems you have. WEST's Five Minute Epoxy - two small containers (resin and hardener; 50/50 mix) should take care of your repairs. You will also need some filler; there are various types; but I still have enough of all types to send you for your repairs. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: name change Buttercup
by chbenneck＠juno.com 02 Nov '07

02 Nov '07

Hi Mark, Thanks for the information. I guess I'm not the only one that thinks a yellow hull's name should be Buttercup. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: name change
by chbenneck＠juno.com 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

Hi Bobby, ..... or "Buttercup"? Connie

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Re: M_Boats: boarding ladder
by Larry E Yake 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

Steve, Randy Graves has a nice ladder on his M17 that would be good on your 15, too. Here's a copy of his message to someone else that was looking for a ladder. >Windline makes a 4-step folding ladder that was my choice for our M17. See http://tinyurl.com/fvow7 for pictures. This ladder is used on the Potter 19, and last I checked was only available for purchase through International Marine. Here is the ladder listed for $160 on their web site http://www.westwightpotter.com/content/MiniShopProduct.phtml?0/0/177 . I have a similar Windline model from West Marine, but it only has 3 steps. Larry On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:09:40 -0700 steve pearse <sspearse(a)whidbey.com> writes: > As a M-15 (1981 vintage) owner who plans to place a mooring buoy this > > spring, I've decided to mount a permanent boarding step/ladder. Any > > recommendations, re product line(s), best model(s)? Thanks in > advance for whatever guidance folks might provide! > > ÂSteve on Whidbey Island, WA > > Steve Pearse > sspearse(a)whidbey.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: boarding ladder
by EinkaufR43＠aol.com 01 Nov '07

01 Nov '07

My ladder choice just arrived yesterday. Ebay has Windline TT-3X 3 step ladders for $89.00 plus UPS of $16.00 CA to MI. This is a "Buy it Now, multiple auction directly through the manufacturer. They had six to sell of this model when I ordered mine last week, but I bet they know how to get more. Ron Stanton M-15 #249 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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boarding ladder
by steve pearse 31 Oct '07

31 Oct '07

As a M-15 (1981 vintage) owner who plans to place a mooring buoy this spring, I've decided to mount a permanent boarding step/ladder. Any recommendations, re product line(s), best model(s)? Thanks in advance for whatever guidance folks might provide! —Steve on Whidbey Island, WA Steve Pearse sspearse(a)whidbey.com

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