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RE: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by Morris, Giles 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

>I have found that I can make every mistake imaginable Here's another one to imagine... I'm not actually certain that it happened this way, but this is my best guess about my Honda 2HP problem: Anchored in a beautiful creek -- actually, it was St. Leonard's Creek just by Vera's White Sands -- and went ashore in Moby Dink using the motor. All was well, but halfway back I ran out of fuel and had to row the last few hundred yards in the deepening twilight. All was still well. It was a lovely still evening, but just after I got back to Dolphin I heard a sound like 50 cement trucks racing up the creek and was hit by an _extremely_ strong little storm with driving rain and gusts so strong that I was convinced the anchor would drag. All seemed well and that was the last time the dinghy motor was used for several months. When I came to use it again, it wouldn't start. It turned out that the carburetor looked fine on the outside, but was a nasty mass of corroded metal. My explanation for this is that the driving rain had found its way in through the gas cap vent (which was open because there was no fuel in the tank) and then run down into the carb (the fuel was still on because I'd forgotten to turn it off because there was no fuel). I replaced the carb and it runs, but not well, and it might be time to seek professional help. (Note: This is the 2HP dinghy motor, _not_ the 5HP that I'm selling.) Giles Morris

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M 15 for sail
by Maria Jorge 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

In case anyone is interested, there is a 2003 Montgomery 15 for sale in the Boattrader. I believe it is located in California.

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Re: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by chbenneck＠juno.com 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Hi Jane & Tom Thanks for the information on the HONDA fuel cap vent. I've stored the information in my memory bits, and hope when I need it, that I can recall your good advice. It's the sort of thing one never thinks about, but when it happens, you can spend hours trying to find the problem.................! Thanks Connie

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RE: M_Boats: Topping lift
by Hughston, Larry 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Epxoy Do you also know and have experience with fiberglass repairs and gel coating for color matching? I need to hear from someone with experience with these materials. Thanks.....Fair winds all. ---LH hull# 189 -----Original Message----- From: David Thomason [mailto:thomasond2@michigan.gov] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:48 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: Topping lift Hey, Giles: Wood is fun, and I'm going to end up with two boats, because I'll never sell this one. I go out to the boat shed (used to be a garage), and just look at her sometimes. But I bet you do that to your glass boat as well. I really want one of each, and I don't quite understand the animosity some guys have towards glass. Well, if you look at the prices of used wood boats, I guess there is a reason. You can buy a wooden yacht for $5-6,000, and once you learn to use epoxy, just about every repair is doable. Take care, Dave _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by Smith, Tom 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Another idiosyncrasy the Honda exhibits related to the air vent is it'll clog up on it's own over a season with misc. gunk, spider webs, etc. etc. I've had mine choke to a stop motoring and had to loosen the cap to get where I'm going. The vent is easily dismantled and cleaned. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by Harvey Wilson 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

Hi Connie.. >>If you shut off both the air vent on the gas cap (and be sure to open it when you want to run the engine or it will never start......or run..........) and the gas shutoff to the carburetor your problems should be solved.<< Hmmmm...if the gas cap air vent is closed, my Seagulls (small & large) will start, but will stop running after a few minutes...seems the larger one quits a lot sooner then the smaller one<GG> Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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RE: M_Boats: Happy Birthday Jerry
by Smith, Tom 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

...just had to do it bud... Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina
by Fuh-Shing Pan 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

Hi, Bill, I choose Stearns inflatable for her portability, speed, and stability (wife can't swim). To inflate, I use double action hand pump that cut down pumping time by half. It takes about three to five minutes to pump. It is considered done when the kayak become firm to the touch. Stearns kayak needs some forcible air pressure to achieve the required firmness so that she can track almost like a hard-shell. Battery operated pump (too weak) or air compressor (to strong) are both not recommended. The finished size is: One-person kayak measures: 37" x 116". Two-person kayak measures: 43-1/2" x 140". Like you said, this kayak is also good for marsh, creek, or cave exploration, wild life/bird watching, and things of that sort. I think my wife enjoys the kayak as much as, if not more, our M-15 boat. Fair wind, Fuh-Shing Pan, M-15 #120, at Glendora/ Los Angeles >From: "William B. Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> >Reply-To: For and about Montgomery >Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >To: "'For and about Montgomery >Sailboats'"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:04:34 -0400 > >Hi Fu-Shing, > >The Stearns inflatable in an intriguing alternative. A couple of >questions. >How do you inflate it? Battery powered pump? How large and heavy is the >deflated package? > >I can't say I've ever really needed a dingy to get ashore, but know it will >happen some day. It would be great for exploring marshy areas, creeks, >etc. >I have been interested in having a hard kayak, but don't want to tow one >and >sure can't store one on deck. > >Most of my cruising is done with other M-boaters on the Chesapeake. We >usually raft together and pile onto someone's M15 for the ride to dinner. > >Thanks, >Bill Riker >M15 - #184 > >-----Original Message----- >From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com >[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] >On Behalf Of Fuh-Shing Pan >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:53 PM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > >Hi, Randy, >Glad that you enjoyed my humble writing on the three-day trip to Catalina. >We had a total of four(4) inflatables put in but only two remained in >service. The other two were pulled out by their owner due to their >deficiency. Captain Howie's Sea Hawk III and my Stearns Inflatable Kayak >remained in service for the entire stay in Catalina. The Stearns kayak >tracks pretty good with decent speed, enev under windy condition, and is >very hard to tip over. It stores in a carry bag which, while under way, was >kept in the cabin near the bow to counter balance the outboard. I was able >to inflate it in the cockpit by placing it abeam with two paddles >underneath > >for initial support. The one I have is a two-seater kayak so that my wife >can also enjoy it. When paddle solo, the front seat service as additional >storage. It might be a little pricy, but it is worth every penny. I found >the best price on internet: >http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/horizontal-item.jhtml?id >=0013156013584a&navAction=jump&navCount=0&indexId=&podId=0013156&catalogCode >=OE&parentId=&parentType=&rid=&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fcatalog%2Fi >tem-link.jhtml.1_A&_DAV=search& > > > >From: RandyG <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> > >Reply-To: For and about Montgomery > >Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > ><montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > >Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:39:31 -0700 > > > >Fuh-Shing Pan, > > > >Enjoyed reading about your Catalina sail. What inflatable did you and >your > >group find worked best? It sounds like you all carried your inflatable > >deflated and then inflated them when you arrived. I am curious to know >what > > >inflatable worked well. I have a great inflatable dinghy but it is too >big > >to reasonably stow inside my M-15. And creates too much of a drag to tow >it > > >behind. > > > >Randy > >M-15 # 407 > > > > > > > >From: Fuh-Shing Pan > >Sent: Fri 7/9/2004 2:04 PM > >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > > > > > >Sorry, Steve, > >I did not get your message until this morning. I was out of town for > >several days. > >Yes, I am on the list and lurking around for a year or so trying to soak >up > > >as much information as I can from all good salty sailors of Montgomery > >boat. > >I searched but failed to find any active Montgomery group in so. Ca. I > >joined S. California Potter's Group in May so that I can learn from its > >old-salt sailors and beef up my confidence. This Potter group has an >active > > >yearly schedule that includes day-sailing and couple of coastal >adventures > >to outlying islands. I tagged along Potter's June adventure to Catalina > >Island to self-test my sailing skill outside the protective Long Beach > >Harbor for the 1st time and to check if I would get sea sick on a long > >trip. Both tests, to my surprise, went along quick smoothly. Following is > >some recap of the Catalina trip. > > > >Trip day one: Launched and departed at the Alamitos Bay/ Long Beach at > >6:00am. Except the father/son team from Utah, we were all >single-handling. > >We motored half way to Catalina and motor-sailed the rest of the trip. >Due > >to balky motor that plagued some of the skippers (total nine boats > >participated) for the whole trip and steady head wind during the second > >half of the trip, this trip not only took 2 hours longer than the >expected > >6 hours passage but also forced a change of destination. Instead of the > >targeted Catalina Harbor on the south side of the island, all but two of >us > > >headed for the Two Harbor/ Isthmus Cove on the north side. Other than the > >mishap of the motors, the outward trip was uneventful until we came >across > >a huge tanker in the shipping lane unmercifully claiming her right of >way. > >The wake waves generated by the long-gone tanker were quite a shocker to >a > >novice sailor like me. The approaching wake wave looked more like a small > >tsunami with sporadic breaking white cap on top. Every Potter skippers > >changed their course and headed into the wave at a slight angle. I >followed > > >suit and, while crossing the wave crest, felt my M-15 airborne for more > >than a split second and landed with a big solid splash behind the wave. > >What a thrill! After mooring at Two Harbor, everyone brought out their > >inflatable dingy/kayak and went on shore for a hearty sunset barbecue. > >Speaking about inflatable, do not waste your money on those cheap toys. > >Some of us learned a good lesson from using them. > > > >Trip day two: we had a lunch gathering and exchanged ideas/experiences >and > >other heated issues on our living planet. After the lunch, I walked >across > >the narrow flat land connecting Catalina Harbor/Two Harbor to see the >other > > >side that I had never seen. The scenery are quite nice especially when I > >reached the higher land overlooking the entire harbor and the Pacific > >ocean. I finished the rest of the day enjoying kayaking, swimming, >on-shore > > >shower, and on-boat cooked noodle. I slept the second night with >continuous > > >dreaming of a gentle rock-n-roll. > > > >Trip day three: After breakfast, I paddle ashore to deflate my kayak and > >summoned a water taxi to take me back to M-15. We departed around 9:30am. > >One of our potter-15 failed to get motor running and was towed by a >fellow > >potter-19. Again, we motored-sailed halfway and then quit motor and > >wind-wind all the way back to Alamitos by 4:00pm. On the way, I try to >rig > >main/jib sheet for autopilot without success. During some point, I even > >experienced an accidental jibe that surely shook me up. > > > >To summarize: the trip was successful and very much enjoyable. Distance > >traveled was 36 miles to and 31 miles from, according to GPS. Peak wind > >speed was estimated between 10-15 knots. No worry necessary for the ebb > >and flow of tide. For anyone interested in our Catalina trip, a slide >show > > >was made available by our beloved Captain Howie at > >http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/ and click on the "past event/ >Catalina > >June 2004" > > > >Fair wind > >Fuh-Shing Pan M-15 #120 > > > > > > > >>From: Steve R. <stever(a)mail.saabnet.com> > >>Reply-To: stever(a)mail.saabnet.com, For and about Montgomery > >>Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >>To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >>Subject: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > >>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT) > >> > >>There are some nice photos of Fuh-Shing on the Catalina Island cruise >with > > >>the SoCal P-boats: > >> > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/03.htm > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/10.htm > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/17.htm > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/19.htm > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/32.htm > >> > >>Is Fuh-Shing on the list? If so, could you give us a trip recap? > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>steve > >> > >>Steve R. > >>M-15 #119 > >>Lexington, KY > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >_______________________________________________ > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >_________________________________________________________________ >Is your PC infected? 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RE: M_Boats: Topping lift
by David Thomason 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

Hey, Giles: Wood is fun, and I'm going to end up with two boats, because I'll never sell this one. I go out to the boat shed (used to be a garage), and just look at her sometimes. But I bet you do that to your glass boat as well. I really want one of each, and I don't quite understand the animosity some guys have towards glass. Well, if you look at the prices of used wood boats, I guess there is a reason. You can buy a wooden yacht for $5-6,000, and once you learn to use epoxy, just about every repair is doable. Take care, Dave

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RE: M_Boats: Topping lift
by Morris, Giles 13 Jul '04

13 Jul '04

>I belong to the wooden boat forum Wooden boats are beautiful. Everybody else should own one, but I'll have to stick with fiberglass. Giles

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