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Re: M_Boats: M17 Rudder length?
by ddaystrom＠comcast.net 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Bill, My rudder on my 1980 M17 is 65 in. I didn't check the width but I'm assuming it is the same, i.e. 10.5. When the rudder is raised it is just about even with the keel. Thanks for checking. Al Williams Horizon, M17 #329 > Al, > > The rudder on my 1978 M-17 measures 72 X 10.5. Width is measured at > the lower support. > > Bill Sylvester > Endelig, M17 #279 > > On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, at 08:53 AM, ddaystrom(a)comcast.net wrote: > > > Can someone tell me the length of the standard M17 rudder? I'm trying > > to determine if my rudder was modified to accommodate sailing on the > > Chesapeake. > > > > thanks > > > > al williams > > > > > >> You could order a rudder from Bob, and I seem to recall someone down > >> in > >> Louisiana had found a guy who could make one out of plywood. > >> > >> I made a new one myself for the self steering windvane, and it's not > >> that > >> hard to do, but you do need the original to copy as a pattern. > >> > >> Howard > >> > >> On 6/19/04 6:24 PM, "Wudnboatlovr(a)aol.com" <Wudnboatlovr(a)aol.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All: > >>> > >>> My name is Leif Eriksson and my boat partner's name is Henry Sapp. > >>> Together, > >>> we are owned by an almost derelict M17. When we acquired it a few > >>> weeks ago it > >>> had no sails, no cushions, no battery, no radio, no rudder, no > >>> masthead > >>> light, no wiring of any kind, no safety gear and no boom. Over the > >>> past few > >>> weeks > >>> we've managed to acquire a set of sails which need to be cut down to > >>> fit, > >>> cushions, battery, boom, retractable motor mount, anchor and life > >>> jackets. So > >>> we > >>> are making progress and are determined to sail this summer. Our most > >>> immediate > >>> need is for either a damaged rudder or a diagram from which to build > >>> a new > >>> rudder. We have a kick up blade, so with that we are half way there. > >>> We will > >>> be > >>> sailing on the lower Neuse River below New Bern, NC which has a lot > >>> of good > >>> water but a lot of thin spots also. We'll keep the group posted on > >>> our > >>> progress > >>> and welcome any comments, advice, warning or whatever information > >>> anyone would > >>> care to send. > >>> > >>> We look forward to being active owners and expect to enjoy being > >>> part of this > >>> group. > >>> > >>> Have the best of summers. > >>> > >>> Leif Eriksson > >>> M17 "GRAYSWANDUR" > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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CBC-2004 report - long version
by Doug Kelch 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

CBC-2004 summary As Bill Riker already summarized - a great sailing cruise - all of the M15s used less than 1 gal of gas for the entire week.(the M17 had a 5 hp so obviously used at least a gal.) The Chester river is about 3 mi wide where we launched and the surrounding land is only about 5 - 10 feet above sea level. Because the land is so low you still get the good undisturbed breeze for some fine sailing. On Saturday we had a pleasant broad reach in 8 - 10kts of wind to a quite anchorage and sailed within 100 yards of the desired spot. Pleasant temperatures and pleasant surroundings. On Sunday had a pleasant broad reach in 8 - 10 kts of wind up the west side of the Chester river exploring gunkholes. The It was low tide an we couldn't get into the places we wanted to see but a nice sail. Nick Honodel joined us around 1 PM in his Rosbourgh 24 powerboat. We arranged to meet him in Reed creek for a raft up. We started the Raft up with Nick in the late afternoon and Abby Gura cooked two pounds of Pasta with shrimp in a tomato sauce. He also supplied a 5 liter box of merlot to supplement the beer. Tall tales abounded and a good time was had by all on the spacious after deck of the Rosbourgh 24. It was a memorable evening in good company in a quiet anchorage. As it was Sunday night all of the weekend boaters were gone and we virtually had the rivers to ourselves the rest of the week. On Monday the winds had piped up to about 18 kts before we left the anchorage but we were so protected we didn't realize it till we got out on the river. The gusts may have been up to 25 kts and we had to cross a part of the river which is exposed to a 5 - 7 mile fetch. The waves got pretty rough running against the outgoing tide. The current in the Chester only gets up to about 1 - 1 1/2 kts but makes a big difference in the wave length. I was towing a 15 ft Bolger light Dory behind my M15. I had mounted a funnel on the tow line to act as drogue when the dory was running faster than the M15. The narrow part of the funnel points in the direction being towed when the line us under tension and "flips" the other way when it drags in the water and the Dory passes it. This worked really well until the waves got so big that the Dory would stern would try to pass the Dory bow and it would get sideways to the 3 and 4 ft waves. I shortened the tow line to shorten time the Dory had to get sideways. This allowed the Dory to ram the stern of the M15 a few times. I will have to work out a different arrangement. Needless to say we all got some practice reefing in some rough waves and the reefing practice in nicer conditions sure pays off! We then had a grand down wind run with jibes on all of the turns on the river the rest of the day. After the first turn of the river the waves were no longer supported by a long fetch and were non-existent. They were replaced by the stronger gusts associated with narrower river and consequent building and tree turbulence. These gusts certainly provided some entertainment for the trip to Chestertown. We all enjoyed more fine food and drinks at Chestertown and a good shower after two nights on the hook. On Tuesday we beat back down the river with a favorable tide in 8 -10 kts of wind. The weather was getting real steamy by this time. When the afternoon sun would pop out the air temp would jump into the 90s with high humidity. We rafted up with a friend of Al Williams in an Erickson 35? for the afternoon and evening in Corsica Creek. The air temp seemed like 95, the water temp was 80 and the beer temp was 45 (traded a bottle of hot wine for some cold beers). The beer and swim were well received. More tall tales were enjoyed. On Wednesday we enjoyed a down wind run up the East Branch of Langford Creek, with winds in the 5 - 7 kts range, to the very end of the navigable portion of the river. A very pretty section of the river with few houses on most of the shoreline. We anchored in about 3 1/2 feet of water and hoped in the water for a cooling swim. UGHHHHH- the bottom was the usual muck of the Chesapeake and it was hard to swim without stirring it up. Lesson learned - anchor in deeper water if you intend to swim. On Thursday we had winds of 0 - 6 kts high heat and humidity so Bill Riker sailed and the rest of us motored to the beautiful Langford Bay Marina. The sun came out and the heat got to be too much to sail up the West branch of Langford Creek so we lounged around the pool for the afternoon. Went to Rock Hall for our second restaurant meal of the trip and it was very good. Heavy rain occurred while we were waiting for the ride to town but no thunderstorms have yet to catch us. They have been around us the last two evenings. On Friday we started out back to Kent Narrow beating into a slowly dying wind of 8 kts with high heat and humidity. The wind finally gave out about two miles from Kent narrows. We motored through the Narrows and just missed the bridge opening and had to mill around in a strong 2 kt current for 1/2 hr waiting for the bridge to open. We rafted up in a nicely protected area in Goodhands creek in 8 ft of water and had another cooling swim. We motored to Harris's crab house back through Kent Narrows. We had 4 people on the M15 racing to make the bridge opening against the current. We just made it and the current between the concrete pillars was boiling away at 3 + kts and we were only making forward progress at about 1 kt under full power. We had a great meal and toured the bars and powere boats for sale. A storm came through but the worst of it just brushed the area but smacked the Bay Bridge area ( 4 miles west of us) pretty good. Saturday - 4 AM - the quiet was shattered by a continuous stream of weekend crab boats launched at the ramp a mile up stream. By 6 AM at leat 40 boats went by. When I talked to a few of the crabbers later in the morning they had 1 to 2 bushels of crabs per boat - they were selling in the market for about $120 a bushel. Bill Riker raised his sails to a nice breeze only to have it die so he motored off to find breakfast. I left 2hrs later under a reefed main and freshening breeze to check out a few creeks before ending the cruise. All in all a great cruise but I will move it to the fall next year in the hope of a more stable weather pattern. I hope to see many of you at the Lyle Hess weekend in Solomons Is, MD this fall. Doug Kelch __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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New Owners of M17
by Wudnboatlovr＠aol.com 22 Jun '04

22 Jun '04

Hi All: My name is Leif Eriksson and my boat partner's name is Henry Sapp. Together, we are owned by an almost derelict M17. When we acquired it a few weeks ago it had no sails, no cushions, no battery, no radio, no rudder, no masthead light, no wiring of any kind, no safety gear and no boom. Over the past few weeks we've managed to acquire a set of sails which need to be cut down to fit, cushions, battery, boom, retractable motor mount, anchor and life jackets. So we are making progress and are determined to sail this summer. Our most immediate need is for either a damaged rudder or a diagram from which to build a new rudder. We have a kick up blade, so with that we are half way there. We will be sailing on the lower Neuse River below New Bern, NC which has a lot of good water but a lot of thin spots also. We'll keep the group posted on our progress and welcome any comments, advice, warning or whatever information anyone would care to send. We look forward to being active owners and expect to enjoy being part of this group. Have the best of summers. Leif Eriksson M17 "GRAYSWANDUR"

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sample pic: Busca in Sturgeon Cove
by htmills＠bright.net 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Here is Busca at anchor in Sturgeon Cove, on the north side of Great La Cloche Island. The entrance to the cove is a Z-shaped course: first you line up two range markers (one on a pine tree on the far side of the cove, one on a rock at the entrance) and follow them in until another set of range markers to port are aligned whereupon you make a sharp 90 deg turn to port. After a few yards you look for a third set of range markers to port and when THEY are in line you then turn sharply to STBD about 90 degrees for the last leg into the cove. Once in, the bottom is 10'-14' mud with gradually shoaling edges. http://www.bright.net/~htmills/SturgeonCove.jpg I ran out of time to make a special mount for my camera so unfortunately there are no really unique perspectives of Busca sailing, but it is on my list to "hope to try to get done" for this season yet. Actually, most of my photos this time are the scenery and my crew Bilbo and Busca at anchor. I did have an exceedingly calm afternoon one day so I did a bit of motoring and noted rpms vs. boat speeds which I'll plot. I need to repeat the session with the prop that was originally supplied with the Honda for comparison. Tod

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RE: M_Boats: boom tent
by Smith, Tom 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Tod, you may have answered this and I missed it, but what material did you use? It looks industrial strength. Did you consider any of the available tent fabrics? Regardless, looks very good. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: htmills(a)bright.net [mailto:htmills@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 2:41 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: boom tent Well, I lucked out. The boom tent fits pretty good, considering that the canvas guy never got to see the boat and adjust/tweak the fit: It's pretty easy to rig, easy to get up on the foredeck, easy to get out the stern. Ends zip off for ventilation. Might get some rain into the companionway without the fwd panel zipped though. Aft panel for privacy when showering or warmth in cool climate. First impression: it'll work. Will post test results after trip (assuming I ever get away!) http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT01.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT02.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT03.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT04.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT05.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT06.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT07.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/PGlowShine.jpg Tod _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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RE: M_Boats: boom tent
by Hughston, Larry 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Nice job, good idea. Tod, I am looking for the best storage cover for an M-15 I will soon have, I hope. This would be for storage outside in all weather as I can not keep it at home. Do you know of websites where I might start looking for such an item? Damn the cost.......Thanks, Larry in Sacramento. -----Original Message----- From: htmills(a)bright.net [mailto:htmills@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 2:41 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: boom tent Well, I lucked out. The boom tent fits pretty good, considering that the canvas guy never got to see the boat and adjust/tweak the fit: It's pretty easy to rig, easy to get up on the foredeck, easy to get out the stern. Ends zip off for ventilation. Might get some rain into the companionway without the fwd panel zipped though. Aft panel for privacy when showering or warmth in cool climate. First impression: it'll work. Will post test results after trip (assuming I ever get away!) http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT01.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT02.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT03.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT04.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT05.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT06.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT07.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/PGlowShine.jpg Tod _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: New Owners of old M17
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Welcome aboard: The OEM sail shop is Elloitt & Pattison. I would order a new set of sails from them. At least the main. The M-17 doesn't has a kick-up rudder but several owners have modified the original to a kick-up configuration. Guys, if it were me, I would order the rudder from Montgomery Boats. Lyle Hess designed the rudder as a lifting blade and the rudder is very important to how the boat sails. Maybe Jerry will comment but on something that important, I wouldn't compromise. Just my opinion Don M-15 Sweet Dream

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Re: M_Boats: BEER Cruise web site
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

The web site is www.knology.net/~ballen1/beer2004.htm A good site with great pictures ad discriptions of the curise destinations. Don

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RE: M_Boats: San Juan Island trip report
by Hughston, Larry 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Will tell more when I pick this M-15 up. It will need work! But the price was right. Hull # MMP151891281 ---Larry H. -----Original Message----- From: Stanley Winarski [mailto:winarski@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: San Juan Island trip report So now we know where #189 got to! But I still wonder how Bill Riker's got out of sequence - probably built in 1981 but not sold until 1982 and sold as an '82. Suggest you register on the Montgomery site once you become the proud owner. http://www.msog.org Stan _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: BEER Cruise
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 18 Jun '04

18 Jun '04

Sorry can't forward a specific link. They don't archive them. Go to the trailer sailor bulletin board, go to the bottom of the page and click on the last few days, then scan for BEER CRuise topics. Photos attached. I do have a web site address for the BEER committee but its at work. I'll try to post the web address later. John was there last year with Miss T and wrote about it in the SCA. Don

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