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RE: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor
by Morris, Giles 03 May '04

03 May '04

>Giles and Connie could probably weigh in I used a 5HP Honda on an M-15, and would have preferred the 2HP if the version with a clutch had been available at the time. On the other hand, it was manageable and the main issue was lifting it on and off the mount during launch/recovery. [BTW: Umiaq's new owner wanted a smaller motor, so I still have it -- must get around to e-Baying it] The 2HP is a very different motor. Smaller, lighter and simpler. It's also noisier and vibrates more. I have one as a dinghy motor, and don't like it nearly as much as the 5HP -- but am not sure that I'd expect to actually _like_ a dinghy motor. I would not use it on an M-17 because it just doesn't seem powerful enough. These opinions are based on first hand knowledge of the M-15 (not the 17) and are worth almost as much as they cost! Giles

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RE: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor
by Shawn Boles 03 May '04

03 May '04

Larry: I use a 2hp long shaft Honda 4 cycle on my 1978 M-17. It is fine for day sailing in protected waters, but I would not want to buck a current in the San Juans with it. Shawn Boles grey mist -----Original Message----- From: larry parks [mailto:pla352@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:18 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor Howdy, Would a Honda 2 HP 4 cycle be enough motor for an aux. on the M-17, I like the size 28 lbs or the next size 5 HP at 61 lbs , but would that be to heavy and effect the sailing performance. Thanks, Larry _________________________________________________________________ Mother's Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Mother's Day Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04mothersday.armx _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor--rant
by chbenneck＠juno.com 03 May '04

03 May '04

Hi Jane & Tom Less is more! Amen! Are you sailors or powerboat jockeys? Connie

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RE: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor
by Smith, Tom 03 May '04

03 May '04

Larry, I use the 2hp 4 stroke on both my M15 and M17. For my purposes, this combination works very well. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: larry parks [mailto:pla352@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 7:18 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor Howdy, Would a Honda 2 HP 4 cycle be enough motor for an aux. on the M-17, I like the size 28 lbs or the next size 5 HP at 61 lbs , but would that be to heavy and effect the sailing performance. Thanks, Larry _________________________________________________________________ Mother's Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Mother's Day Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04mothersday.armx _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: more on john in SCA, mast-rake
by Saltm17＠aol.com 02 May '04

02 May '04

I have a very simple and strong backstay adjuster, but the amount of rake is controlled by the forestay. Putting tension on the back stay will pull the top of the mast only as far as the forestay allows. Addition tension on the back stay will help prevent the luff of the jib from sagging to leeward. To adjust the amount or rake, adjust the forestay. BTW there is another advantage of a fair amount of rake. I've noticed that when I slack off the tension on the backstay (dowind), the top of the mast moves foreward making the head sail a little fuller and generating a slight increase in downwind speed. I haven;t seen the latest issue of Good Old Boat. I'll check to see if Miss T is in there. John Edwards Miss T M17 # 372

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Re: M_Boats: Chocks.
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 02 May '04

02 May '04

I use the same chock for lots of reasons. I think it would be great to add them as a part of the trailer package. I use them when I drop the boat & trailer, I've used them to help extend the trailer tongue, before a launch, Security on a hill. Standard equipment on the job. Hardly optional in towing. Be nice to have a holder for chocks on the trailer... I prefer the pair style. two chocks separated with a chain or rope. If that doesn't ring a bell it would look like Nunchucks but the sticks would be triangular so you could toss one in front as well as behind a tire in one motion. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Chocks.
by chbenneck＠juno.com 02 May '04

02 May '04

Hi Craig, Correction on my chock size. I used a 4" x 4" to build the chocks. 6" x 6" would be a bit of overkill! Connie

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Trailering with a clutch
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 02 May '04

02 May '04

Craig, You've already considered the Ebrake... How about this... I saw you mentioned roadster. If that's the hotrod type, you may be familiar with an item called a "line Lock". What it does is allows you to lock the front brake on and then release them with a button or switch on the dash or shifter (used in drag raceing). May be more trouble than it's worth. Just a thought. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: trailering with a clutch
by chbenneck＠juno.com 02 May '04

02 May '04

Hi Craig, ALWAYS USE CHOCKS ....................!!!!!!! I became a firm believer in using chocks when I saw a pickup and trailer in the salt water in Clearwater Florida. He didn't use chocks. Ramp was wet. He was a cowboy. Backed the trailer into the water - con brio - stood on the brakes, and .......................with truck wheels firmly locked, trailer and truck continued sliding gently into the water, and finally came to rest with water over the hood of the truck. Oooops! I also recall seeing a picture of a Rolls-Royce (with trailer) in a similar predicament - water over the hood. Chocks behind the wheels limit your rearwards movement. They are an indispensable mechanical safety device. Even if parking brake is weak, the chocks will keep you firmly in place. I made mine out of 6" x 6" about 18" long by cutting off (at 45 degree angle) enough from each side so that a 1/2" to 3/4" flat ridge was still left between the slanting surfaces. They are painted red, for visibility, and a piece of rope is glued into a hole bored into the end of the chock. They are in constant use, and the Admirable is "Imperial Keeper and Positioner of Chocks". I also needed chocks for the car and the trailer before I got a trailer tongue extension for the M15. Back in my learning days with the MICRO, we would back down the ramp and stop. Then the Admirable would put chocks behind the trailer wheels (at the water's edge). I would disconnect the trailer from the car, pull forward 6 to 8 feet and stop. Put chocks under rear wheels of car. Then I would use an old piece of anchor rode and tie it to the trailer and the car. Next pull forward slightly to put tension in the anchor rode and release the trailer chocks. Reposition the car's chocks about 15 feet down the ramp (firm stop no matter what happened) Now, with Admirable pushing or pulling trailer tongue to guide boat into the water, I would back down to preset chock stop. With boat floating in the water, the operation was reversed. I drove up the ramp with trailer on end of anchor rode: Admirable got the car chocks out of the way, and I parked the car and trailer, removing the anchor rode and hooking up trailer to car hitch. Now we were ready to head home with car and trailer (a B&B) that evening, after sailing to the marina. With chocks it's a "no sweat" operation, and there is no danger of your car getting an urge to go swimming! Connie

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by shaas4＠bellsouth.net 02 May '04

02 May '04

Hello, A friend of mine is seriously considering getting a M17. Would love to look at one but does not have the time to visit the factory. He is located in South East Fla now, and will be taking a boat to R.I. for the summer mid May. Any chance one of you will be in either area and let him take a look? Thanks, Stephanie

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