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Teak hatchboards and toe rail
by Jesse Tate 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Has anyone replaced their hatchboards and toerails for an M15? Where did you find the replacements? Thanks, Jesse

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RE: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail
by Steve R. 20 Aug '03

20 Aug '03

Tod & Bill, I think the plywood can be cut so it would be workable. The first cut would give a 36" wide x 48" high piece and a 60" wide x 48" high piece. The second cut would then give two 30" wide x 48" high pieces. Everything is then cut to be 12" high. We have four pieces 36" x 12". Tod needs three. We have eight pieces 30" x 12". Bill and I need six. We still have enough left to make another M-15 hatch. Sounds promising. Check those dimensions. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- <htmills(a)bright.net> wrote: >I think I'd be interested as well, except (to throw a wrench into the works) >that I need a slightly larger finished size of approximately 36" x 36". > >I liked my Ash plywood hatchboards until they got black streaks in them >despite my best efforts to seal them. I guess I'll consider them >"practice". ;-) > >Tod > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill >Riker >Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:54 PM >To: stever(a)mail.saabnet.com; montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail > > >Steve, > >I'm interested. > >Bill Riker >M-15 #184 >Storm Petrel >wriker(a)mindspring.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com >[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Steve R. >Sent: August 19, 2003 8:36 AM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Teak hatchboards and toe rail > > >Hi Jesse, > >I have no need to replace the toe rails but my hatch boards are in sad >shape. Mine are plain plywood which have faded and warped. > >The newer M-15s use a 1/2 inch hatch board. My older M-15 has a 3/8 inch >hatch board. > >Steve E. found a source of teak faced plywood in Maryland called Harbor >Sales. They have a two sided sliced teak 9.5 mm plywood that should work, >item 489MSTAA.5 > >Link: > >http://www.harborsales.net/ > >Look under Nautical & Marine for sliced teak. > >The problem is, they sell plywood in 4 foot x 8 foot sheets. A sheet costs >$168. They are located 500 miles from me. > >The overall size of the hatch is about 28 inches wide by 28 inches high. >They will cut the plywood into twelve pieces of approximately 12 inches high >by 32 inches wide. The cutting charge is $8. This would yield enough >material to make four sets of hatch boards, with the total dimension of each >set being about 32 inches wide by 36 inches high. The cost per set would be >$44. > >Would you or anyone else like to jointly purchase a sheet of plywood? > >Steve R. >M-15 #119 >Lexington, KY > > >--- message from "Jesse Tate" <gunsblazing(a)charter.net> attached: > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: Teak hatch boards and toe rails Finish
by Peter Deffenbacher 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Hello Tom & Jane I'm a long time viewer, first time poster! I have a new M15 that I have been detailing the Teak for much too long now but I have found that I very much like the Cetol Marine Lite. It has a shiney, milky coat that is not too dark. I use 4 to 5 coats on each piece depending on the area. It seals the wood but breathes too. You must use a mask because the fumes are nasty. To start, clean the teak wood with Acetone to remove the previous stuff. Sand it smooth. I used Synthethic Steel Wool by 3M 000 eqivent that I found a local hardware store. Apply the Cetol Marine Lite then wait 24 hours at least before rubbing down with paper towels. Then sand lightly with the Synthethic Steel Wool 3M 000. Its also best to tape off the wood with the 3M blue stuff unless you have lots of time to clean up the mess on the gell coat! Peter Deffenbacher M15-618 Peanut Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:15:05 -0700 From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Teak hatch boards and toe rail To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE023C71(a)spokane-mx3.itron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jesse, I bought unfinished 3-piece hatch boards from Bob Eeg. If I remember right, they were in the $120 range. I didn't do this, but I'd highly recommend coating them well with epoxy prior to finishing them--even though they are billed as marine grade, mine delaminated a bit at one corner (Bob warned me to water proof them thoroughly, but I apparently didn't do a good enough job.). Maybe someone on the list can remind me of the name of the fellow back east who owns or works at the sea kayak outfit. He's contributed a good bit of information regarding refinishing things... t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar > >

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RE: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions
by Smith, Tom 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Oh, the old nylon bushing routine. Sounds like a quick fix for an unplanned feature to me. But I like the beer can idea. In keeping with the jmbn tradition, I'll use my forehead to mash the can down to a more manageable size. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Montgomery [mailto:jmbn@innercite.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions Tom- we used to put a little nylon bushing, made by Shaffer, in the top of the trunk tang, and the line was a snug fit. This eliminated anmy water coming up. The hole is well above the WL, but when going thru a chop the water pressure builds up and spurts. The 15's did the same thing; that's why we put the little teak baffle over the opening. If your boat is a 75, the bushing probably half-lifed to oblivion. 23 years sounds like a good half-life to me. In your case, the easiest fix would be to wad up a beer can around the pennant and hammer it down in the hole, then put some duct tape over it. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions > > Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole. > > When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. > > The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t > > > > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > Sandpoint, Idaho > M15-345, Chukar > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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Re: M_Boats: North Channel, Lake Huron
by Saltm17＠aol.com 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Stan, Goood to hear from you, hope you have been able to get a lot of sailing in this summer. It looks like I'll be in Canada that week and headed for Maine for a week with Toby, so it looks like we will miss each other for the first week in September. I will be in Maine for the first two weeks of Sept and then down to the Mystic Seaport Museum in CN. for a week and then down to the Chesapeake. Any chance of getting together in any of those places? John

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Re: RE: M_Boats: Teak hatch boards and toe rail
by tynerjohn＠erols.com 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

--------------------------------------------------------- Forget long distance calls to your ISP back at home, with Net2Roam's local rates. See http://web2mail.com/n2r.php?3 --------------------------------------------------------- That would be John Harris at Chesapeake Light Craft ( http://www.clcboats.com )in Annapolis; e-mail address will come back to me in a moment; JazzYachts(a)aol.com. I bought his M-15 this spring; you can see photos of his replacement hatch boards on the MSOG web site, www.msog.org for any who don't already know, under "How To and Specs", then "Hatchboards". I can't say whether or not he programmed (and retained the program) the company's CNC cutters to make the basic hatchboards, but anyone interested can ask. John Tyner M-15 # 412 "Chimpanzee" > Jesse, I bought unfinished 3-piece hatch boards from Bob Eeg. If I remember right, they were in the $120 range. I didn't do this, but I'd highly recommend coating them well with epoxy prior to finishing them--even though they are billed as marine grade, mine delaminated a bit at one corner (Bob warned me to water proof them thoroughly, but I apparently didn't do a good enough job.). > > Maybe someone on the list can remind me of the name of the fellow back east who owns or works at the sea kayak outfit. He's contributed a good bit of information regarding refinishing things... t > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > Sandpoint, Idaho > M15-345, Chukar > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: chbenneck(a)juno.com [mailto:chbenneck@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:44 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Teak hatch boards and toe rail > > > Hi Jesse, > > When I got my M15 home from Panama City, FL I found that the bottoms of > the companionway hatch boards were totally delaminated, and badly needed > replacement. > > I got some teak plywood and built new ones; adding a teak louver (from > WEST Catalog) to the uppermost board for better ventilation. > > Bob Eeg can probably supply you with the milled toe rail pieces if you > don't want to make them yourself. > > Connie > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > This message was scanned for viruses. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >

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Re: M_Boats: Teak hatch boards and toe rail
by chbenneck＠juno.com 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Hi Jesse, When I got my M15 home from Panama City, FL I found that the bottoms of the companionway hatch boards were totally delaminated, and badly needed replacement. I got some teak plywood and built new ones; adding a teak louver (from WEST Catalog) to the uppermost board for better ventilation. Bob Eeg can probably supply you with the milled toe rail pieces if you don't want to make them yourself. Connie

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New Owners - Steve and Carla
by Ludlow, Don 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

Hi Steve ans Carla Welcome. I'm a new M-15 Owner too (#620 "Sweet Dream"). I hope you enjoy your new boat like I am enjoying mine. Did you get the new Bimini top and boarding ladder? The M-15 is very easy to rig, tow,launch, and single-hand which makes it easy to get into the water. There's a whole "trailersailor" mindset around sailing and experiencing many new areas so Sweet Dream will live on her trailer. (She does go 70 MPH close-hauled!) Here's what I've done to date to get the "Sweet Dream" ready to sail. A 2 HP Honda 4-stroke with a mount lock to keep it from walking off at the ramp. A spare tire on the trailer and a trailer strap. A Thetford 135 portapotti. I put indoor-outdoor carpet in the storage lockers to keep stuff from rattling around. I added an extra cleat to secure the centerboard lanyard (I don't trust camcleats) I added a 24" long tiller extension and a homemasde tiller tamer. I added reefing lines to the main. I ran a bungie along the boom through several eyes with hooks on the opposite side to help furl the mainsail and added another slot stop. I leave the main stowed on the boom which helps setting up. I added telltails to the shrouds. I use a short line at the bow cleat to attach the jib halyard to when raising the mast. I cleat off the jib halyard and go forward to attach the forestay. I leave the side stays attached. This make raising the mast quick and simple. I've still got a lot to do: bow chocks, running lights, VHF, Compass, bilge Pump, extra floatation, a storm jib and a drifter and I'm working on storage. I've learned with the new Pacific trailer that if you back down til the fenders are about 1" below the water that the boat just floats on and off easy as pie. Let us know how you're doing and send some pictures. Fair winds Don and Nancy Ludlow -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 5:09 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Anchor Storage (Ludlow, Don) 2. Re: RE: Photos of the Key West Trip (Doug Kelch) 3. RE: Anchor Storage (Bill Riker) 4. New M15 "Cadenza" (Stephen Martin) 5. Re: New M15 "Cadenza" (chbenneck(a)juno.com) 6. Re: New M15 "Cadenza" (Maria Jorge) 7. Re: North Channel, Lake Huron (Stanley Winarski) 8. Some M17 Questions (Smith, Tom) 9. Re: Some M17 Questions (n9ca) 10. Re: Some M17 Questions (Richard Cottrell) Hi Folks: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:56:00 -0500 From: "Ludlow, Don" <LudlowD(a)BEK.com> Subject: M_Boats: Anchor Storage To: "'montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <6BA6B6935520D31195940000C91B62C5020DE678(a)mobnt1.bek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Folks I'm stll rigging my M-15 "Sweet Dream" and have loads of questions. some of this has probably been covered before but here goes: 1. Anchor storage: I've got a 9# Danforth forward under the v bunk and a 4.4 Claw in the port locker. Problem is, easing into an anchorage, there isn't a lot of time to get the anchors out and having them in the cockpit, they are unfoot. I've thought of hanging the Danforth from the bow pulpit and tiing a knapsack to the boarding ladder with the lunch hook. Is there a better way. 2. Battery location: where is the best place: 3. Mast head light. Is one of the three way tri-colors the best. 4. Rod holder. I've worked up a bracket that clamps to the motor mount bu there must be a better way Thats all for now. Thanks in advance. Don Ludlow ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:40:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Photos of the Key West Trip To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20030815214056.25072.qmail(a)web13508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glad you like the photos. It site I used is public and free so ifyou would like to post some photos of Your boat I would like to see them. Unfortunately I did not make it to the Dry Tortugas. Maybe next time but I really enjoyed the mangrove islands and snorkeling reefs west of Key West. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" --- "Ludlow, Don" <LudlowD(a)BEK.com> wrote: > Doug: > Very cool photos. One shot was printed in the last > issue of SCA. Did you > make it all the way to the Dry Tortugas? > Don Ludlow > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 09:43:38 -0400 From: "Bill Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Anchor Storage To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <001b01c363fc$6766bac0$0480bc3f@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don, I keep my 4.4 claw in a shallow cockpit locker with a few feet of chain and 150' of 1/4" rode. And there is room for a 1-gal fuel container. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ludlow, Don Sent: August 15, 2003 3:56 PM To: 'montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com' Subject: M_Boats: Anchor Storage Hi Folks I'm stll rigging my M-15 "Sweet Dream" and have loads of questions. some of this has probably been covered before but here goes: 1. Anchor storage: I've got a 9# Danforth forward under the v bunk and a 4.4 Claw in the port locker. Problem is, easing into an anchorage, there isn't a lot of time to get the anchors out and having them in the cockpit, they are unfoot. I've thought of hanging the Danforth from the bow pulpit and tiing a knapsack to the boarding ladder with the lunch hook. Is there a better way. 2. Battery location: where is the best place: 3. Mast head light. Is one of the three way tri-colors the best. 4. Rod holder. I've worked up a bracket that clamps to the motor mount bu there must be a better way Thats all for now. Thanks in advance. Don Ludlow _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:58:00 +0000 From: "Stephen Martin" <cadenzaboat(a)hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: New M15 "Cadenza" To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <Law9-F69kpTSFEY7iBP0005fd13(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats/attachm ents/20030816/0fdbd730/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:31:20 -0400 From: chbenneck(a)juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: New M15 "Cadenza" To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20030817.123121.1968.2.chbenneck(a)juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Carla and Steve, Welcome to the Montgomery clan. May you have many joyous sails with your M15. The M15 will open a whole new world for you. Mine goes 70 MPH to windward up the Interstate: operating costs go to 0 when you aren't using it; all the ship ornamentation that owners apply, suddenly are small dollar items, and not megabuck expenditures; and you can be sailing 300 miles away in a matter of a few driving hours, not a week of slogging to windward to get there. Enjoy! Connie M15 #400 LEPPO ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:40:44 -0400 From: "Maria Jorge" <mcjorge(a)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New M15 "Cadenza" To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <005101c364ef$118b2980$fafb3fd0@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Steve and Carla: Congratulations on your new boat. I also downsized from a bigger boat. I've been working on my M-17 and hope to get her in the water by Columbus Day. I am in Miami so perhaps we can get together some time. Let me know if I can help in any way. Maria Jorge ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Martin To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: M_Boats: New M15 "Cadenza" Just wanted to say hi and introduce ourselves to the members of the list. We're Steve and Carla Martin and our new M15 "Cadenza", hull number 619, has just arrived here in Vero Beach, FL. It has been great reading the list while waiting for our boat to arrive. I've learned a lot from the list and the website but will probably have a few more questions now that the boat is actually here. We've lived and cruised aboard larger boats for the last four years, but are now looking forward to the fun and mobility of a small trailerable sailboat. Steve and Carla Martin M15 "Cadenza" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions
by SurveyPete＠aol.com 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

Tom, My '74 M-17 #53 spurts out the cb pennant exit from the trunk too. It came with a "duct tape stand pipe" that mitigates the problem and remains in service. A new bushing is the right way to do it. I also often accumulate water in the cockpit sole. Clarence Andrews' suggestion to recore it from the top and raise the sole 3" is a good one, particularly for my boat with a delaminated sole that creeks and crackles. Pete Brown, Pegasus

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Re: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions
by Richard Conn 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

Ditto to Clarence's letter. Water comes in from the centerboard and also from the scuppers. My water is salty. No fix in mind - except for my dinghy boots. Richard Conn Beatrice (M17 #613 - 2001) >From: "n9ca" <n9ca(a)comcast.net> >Reply-To: For and about Montgomery >Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >To: "For and about Montgomery >Sailboats"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:18:42 >-0400 > >Tom, > >My M-17 (#604 mfg 2000) does the same thing. When in fresh water, and with >the boat loaded, some water also comes in through the scuppers. I am >considering raising the floor of my cockpit about 2 1/2 to 3 inches so I >can have dry feet. I considered a grating, but it's a pain when something >drops through. What I'm considering is laying in a foam sheet about three >inches thick, with gutters around the sides, and a cut-out for the traveler >and the Whalegushe bilge pump, covering and bonding it in with a several >coats of 10 oz. cloth, then a gel coat. The foam can be obtained through >Wick's Aircraft Supply (http://www.wicksaircraft.com) , and is NOT >styrofoam, which would be melted by the resin. This is one of those 'might >do' projects, second in line behind making a kick-up rudder. > >Clarence Andrews >M-17 Carpe Ventum > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> >To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" ><montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 4:53 PM >Subject: M_Boats: Some M17 Questions > > > >Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and >have >several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat >yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely >that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, >where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame >conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water >spouts >up through the hole. > >When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to >the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that >because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. > >The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. >Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if >anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t > > > > >Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle >Sandpoint, Idaho >M15-345, Chukar > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ <b>MSN 8:</b> Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

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