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M17 line drawings
by wayne yeargain 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Jerry If you are still intrested I'd like to try to intregate your cad drawings with my system and complete any areas necessary to get a complete plan & elevation drawings. My boat is a '76 M17 and I can take measurements for items that are not on your drawings. Let me know what you think Contact me off line at saltydog(a)ev1.net Wayne

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M17 line drawings
by wayne yeargain 13 Dec '03

13 Dec '03

Hi Jerry: Sorry your e-mail bounced, don't know why it did that - I am at the same address, must have been a gremlin in the wire. Any way thanks for the M17 line drawings, I got them today, & am going to start some drawings right away. I'll send you and any one who is intrested, some copies when I'm done. Had my M17 out Sat. about 10knt wind and it just romped along like the throughbred it is......... life is sweet. Happy sails Wayne

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Varnish
by Thomas Wilkinson 14 Jul '03

14 Jul '03

I finally tired of oiling my external teak. It had to be done frequently and I really didn't think it was protecting the wood. I cleaned all the oil and crud off the teak and decided to varnish it. I decided to use Le Tonkinois varnish because of the claimed ease of use. It was easy to apply and looks good. It does not change the color of the wood. I guess now the test is its durability. Does anyone else have experience with Le Tonkinois? Tom M17 Obsessus

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Boat show cruise
by Doug Kelch 03 Jul '03

03 Jul '03

During the spring CBC we got to talking about a fall cruise and a suggestion was made to combine a cruise with the Annapolis boat show. I really liked idea of combining a cruise with the Annapolis boat show. Sailing around the the Annapolis area during the boat show is an annual favorite of mine. The true lifestyle cruising boats make this a staging area that week. They are doing their fall migration to the south and stop here to get good boat show prices on all of their necessities - (electric wine coolers? :) Almost 100 long term cruising "snow birds" anchor in Spa Creek and Weems creek but few of the them are anywhere else. I love cruising around the anchorages checking out the boats. 2003 Show Dates: Thursday, October 09, 2003 through Monday, October 13, 2003 We already have 3 boats interested so I thought I would float the idea to the entire list to see what the response is. If anyone is interested please let me know. The cruising grounds around Annapolis are plentiful and there are slips available a short distance from Annapolis. There is a free, good, public launching ramp in SPA Creek at Long 76'30 lat 38'58.2. It has free parking but may be in a low rent area. I have parked there overnight on several occaisions with no difficulty. For two shows I have anchored right near there where the water gets too shallow for the big "snow birds". This is a well protecteded area with little to no boat traffic since it is the end of the creek. There is also a very good launching ramp with excellent parking at Sandy Point State Park but if it's blowing out there is no place go. The launching area is well protected but when you leave the launching area you are directly below the Bay bridge in very exposed water. There are a couple of small marina's up the Severn river north of Annapolis which are too far from the action for the "snow birds" as well. Just to the East of the Severn is Mill Creek with a couple of nice secluded branchs and a little farther east is Whitehall creek with a couple of branchs. Both offer very nice anchorages with little to no traffic. Again they are toooo far from the action during the boat show to draw a crowd. If it is cold and blustery all of the above offer short distances and very good protection with enough interesting cruising for three days. One possible itinerary is below. Day 1, launch, raft up and ferry or water taxi to the show, back to the raft up and anchor for the night. Day 2 AM day sail with any boatless Montgomery sailors in the area, checking out all of the cruisers and explore the Whitehall creek for an evening anchorage. If no boatless Montgomery sailors are around we would skip the return drop off at Annapolis and head for the Magothy River and anchor in back of Gibson Island - a beautiful secluded view of the manicured golf course. Day 3 back to SPA Creek in that clear sparkling fall air with the leaves just turning, mmmmmmmm goood. Contingency plan if the weather is bad - Party at Al's house for 3 days! - Just kidding of course. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

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reefing and headsails
by dik lang 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

With all this talk of reefing, heaving to, I often find myself in the thick of things wishing I could use a smaller head sail. I have a 150 genoa and a std jib. Does any one have a recomendation for the size of the headsail to use when reefed? I thought a storm headsail was the right way to go but have been told that is terribley small. Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks, Dik Lang M-17 #375 Vashon Is. Wa. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: M_Boats: reefing and headsails
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 30 Jun '03

30 Jun '03

I have a tiny, homemade jib for my P-15 that I use in high winds. It's under 11 SF! (working jib 23 sf, lapper 30 sf) As small as it is, when the wind is 20+ knots my little jib is just the ticket, with big improvements in pointing ability and speed. I think this is because the wind's pressure per square foot goes up with the square of the speed, thus if your current jib works well in 10 knots, a jib one fourth its size would work well in 20 knots. Additionally, the center of effort is lowered in height (usually). Anyhow, it works for me! Fair winds, Steve Tyree P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 6/29/2003 4:22:46 PM Central Standard Time, diklang32(a)hotmail.com writes: > With all this talk of reefing, heaving to, I often find myself in the > thick of things wishing I could use a smaller head sail. I have a 150 genoa > and a std jib. Does any one have a recomendation for the size of the > headsail to use when reefed? I thought a storm headsail was the right way to > > go but have been told that is terribley small. > Any thoughts would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > Dik Lang > M-17 #375 > Vashon Is. Wa. >

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Re: M_Boats: reefing and headsails
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 29 Jun '03

29 Jun '03

Dik, Start with a single main reef and standard working jib. Reef the main first and keep the working jib up. If the wind pipes up go to a double main reef. If that is still too much canvas go to the smaller and heavier weight storm jib. There is a point where the main comes down and you run or heave to. Bill

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RE: M_Boats: Telltales on Mainsail?
by Randy Graves 29 Jun '03

29 Jun '03

Thanks everyone for the great information! I did search the achieves at www.msog.org and found some great threads. A couple of threads pointed to an article on reefing from Pineapple Sales http://www.sailmaker.com/articles/reefing.htm . The article was good reading, as was the achieves, and your replies. Thank You! There seems to be 2 schools of thought regarding on what point of sail to reef a small boat. Some prefer to reef on a close reach, other prefer to reef while hove-to. In our M-15 (#407) all our lines are lead aft but, as I sail alone, I still must let go of the tiller in order to reef. I am concerned about letting go of the tiller on a close reach in high winds. Certainly she would fall off-wind or round up? Any thoughts or comments? The heave-to method would allow me to secure the tiller in a hard-over position and then have both hands free to work the lines. I want to give this method a try next time but will first practice and attempt to perfect heaving-to! It looks like I made 2 mistakes yesterday while heaving-to. 1- The back winded Jib was not fully flat, I should have sheeted it in tighter. And 2- it sounds like I should have sheeted in the main just a bit. I will give these a try on Monday. From the pictures in the books <grin> I was expecting the bow to be apx. into the wind, with a side-to-side wiggle. Yesterday I hove-to on a port tack and the bow settled apx. 30 degrees off-wind to port and no-wiggle. I also seemed to be making more forward headway than I expected, apx. 1.7 - 1.9 knots of forward movement in apx. 15 - 20 knots of wind. Any other thoughts or ideas? Thanks again, Randy Graves M-15 #407

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RE: M_Boats: Telltales on Mainsail?
by Randy Graves 29 Jun '03

29 Jun '03

Jesse, Thanks for the info.! I applied the telltales accordingly. Another 2 questions for the group: What is the best point of sail to put the boat into to reef the main? I sail by myself and was caught in a blow yesterday such that I needed to reef the main. As the wind built in speed I kept pointing higher and higher trying to manage the heel. It became apparent that the wind was not going to let up and I needed to reef. My handheld wind meter said a steady 20 knots with gust beyond. If you turn and run with the wind things quiet down on deck but I am not sure I could reach all the reefing lines or if the sail would come down easily. If I point into the wind and stall then it became a race against the clock to get the main reefed before the wind and waves push the boat back into the full force of the wind. In either situation I must let go of the tiller. All my lines, except for reefing, lead back to the cockpit. How do others approach this? 2nd question. While the wind was strong yesterday I also tried to heave-too. I back-winded the working jib, forced the tiller hard over, and let the reefed main align itself with the wind. Our M-15 held her own during the blow but I was surprised to see I was making almost 2 knots of forward speed, I was also surprised that she did not put her bow into the wind but rather off wind by about 30 degrees. Any suggestions on heaving too? Thanks for all the great advise! Randy Graves M-15 # 407 -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Tate [mailto:gunsblazing@charter.net] Sent: Wed 6/25/2003 6:36 PM To: Randy Graves; For and about MontgomerySailboats Cc: Subject: Re: M_Boats: Telltales on Mainsail? Randy, Place telltales at the battens off the leech of the sail. Usually good sail trim has the lower tales strait back and the top tale fluttering upward. Jesse M 15 #343 ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Graves <mailto:RandyG@cite.nic.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: M_Boats: Telltales on Mainsail? Friends, Is there value in adding telltales to your mainsail? If so, where on the mainsail do you place them? Would you "read" them as you would read the telltales on the Jib? Thank you, Randy Graves M-15 #407 _____ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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SCA
by htmills＠bright.net 28 Jun '03

28 Jun '03

Steve, I think John has the mid-size class covered. ;-) Think you'll have your jibs squared away for the small class? Now all we need is a 23 in the large class! *S* Tod

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