December 2003 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Some M17 Questions
by Smith, Tom 17 Jan '04

17 Jan '04

Good morning fellow Montgomery owners. I recently purchased an M17 and have several questions, but none so pressing at this; when sailing the boat yesterday, I discovered that what the former owner said was true, namely that this particular M17 takes water in through the top of the CB trunk, where the CB pendent drops through. Even in what I consider pretty tame conditions (8-10 knots of wind and mild chop), a fair amount of water spouts up through the hole. When viewed from above, it certainly appeared if if the trunk was full to the top with water, which seemed odd to me, but maybe normal. I say that because the M15 cockpit actually drains through the trunk. The boat is a '75, and the cb works freely and was deployed yesterday. Simply stuffing a rag into the hole solves the problem, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this phenomenon. Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar

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Re: montgomery rendezvous
by Derfsails＠aol.com 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Hi Larry, I would like very much to participate in a Montgomery rendezvous in the San Juan's next summer. We normally go up in June and spend two or three months. When we had our 30, we would launch at Anacortes because of the lifts, groceries, West Marine, trailer storage, and the extremely helpful people. However, with the 23 we could put in just about anywhere that would be convenient for other sailors that would be interested in getting together sometime over the summer. Maybe over this winter something could be set up that would allow as many people to get together as possible. It would sure be nice to put some faces and personalities with all the M-notes I've been reading over the last year or two. Thanks for the response. Fred (derf)

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M17 line drawings
by wayne yeargain 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Jerry If you are still intrested I'd like to try to intregate your cad drawings with my system and complete any areas necessary to get a complete plan & elevation drawings. My boat is a '76 M17 and I can take measurements for items that are not on your drawings. Let me know what you think Contact me off line at saltydog(a)ev1.net Wayne

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Two questions
by Saltm17＠aol.com 14 Jan '04

14 Jan '04

I'm in the middle of writing a book about my trip last summer, and it turns out to be a daily series of decisions about what to include and what to leave out. I keep coming back to two basic questions that I could really use your help with. 1. What makes a sailing book really appeal to you? 2. What would you want to see in a book about a trailer-sailing trip? I plan to post this request on a few sites (Potters, San Juans and Montgomeries) and compile all the responses. Thanks for your help. John Edwards Miss T M17 # 372

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RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
by Smith, Tom 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

Thanks Clarence. I'll check these guys out. I can't believe I've had so hard a time finding this fastener. The tap was available locally, but when it came to the machine screw, I was SOL. Again, thank you. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: n9ca [mailto:n9ca@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 7:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? You can find the fasteners you need at: Wicks Aircraft Supply 410 Pine Street Highland, IL 62249 800-221-9425. The countersunk screw heads used in aircraft are 100 degrees, which is not the same angle as those you'd find at an ACE HARDWARE . Wicks is a first class outfit, and gives first class service. Clarence Andrews M-17 Carpe Ventum --- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? Hi guys. I'm mounting larger halyard cleats on our M15's mast and I bought a 4 inch Schaefer jam cleat that uses a #12 fastener. 12-24s are easy to find. Now, 12-28s are an entirely different story. I'd like to use the fine thread to get a better purchase for the fastener. Anybody encountered an outfit that carries this rare size? Or am I overdoing it. Will the 12-24 work okay? Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Response to John Edwards
by Seawitch 31 Dec '03

31 Dec '03

John, I second Bill Rikers response to your request about what to include in a book. I'd also like to say, that I have read everything you write for SCA, and love your style. You keep it interesting, and somehow light with your humour. In the most recent issue which I just received you wrote about a trip you took with another Monty owner to Catalina. This one was especially interesting in that on my most recent trip out, my shroud snapped and I did dismast. But, like Bill said, it is the little things which are important in your writing, like mentioning that normally, he did not tape the pin on the forestay. This is one of those tidbits which someone who is eager to glean information will latch on to. No one told me to tape the pin on the shrouds, but I did it anyway, just to feel a little more secure that the little pin would not slip out. But like your friend, I did not tape the pin on the forestay. However, I did change out the original clevis/cotter pin for a more user friendly quick release push pin. Now, I will tape it in when I raise the mast. I look forward to reading your book. And a happy New Year to all on the list. The shortest day of the year has past, and now as each day gets longer, we know Spring is coming! ===== Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

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RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
by Smith, Tom 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Hi guys. I'm mounting larger halyard cleats on our M15's mast and I bought a 4 inch Schaefer jam cleat that uses a #12 fastener. 12-24s are easy to find. Now, 12-28s are an entirely different story. I'd like to use the fine thread to get a better purchase for the fastener. Anybody encountered an outfit that carries this rare size? Or am I overdoing it. Will the 12-24 work okay? Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Tom, I'm late on feedback but...you are talking sheer strength with the cleat right? It doesn't take much thread to hold for sheer. Pull strength is where you would be concerned with the thread. I think sheer on common 1/4" dia steel is around 1500-1800lbs. Pull tests I had done by an engineering firm for an insurance company on #12 steel sheet metal SCREWS in 20 gauge (I think it was 20) metal roof decking came out between 375-450 lbs per screw. They were 20 yrs old.

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RE: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
by Smith, Tom 30 Dec '03

30 Dec '03

Well, I'm know around my house for overdoing it. I'll go for 12-24, but I'd also considered Bob's idea of overdrilling to 1/4. Thanks for all the feedback. Have a great New Years eve everyone. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Sandyal55(a)aol.com [mailto:Sandyal55@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 5:08 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners? In a message dated 12/29/2003 3:56:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Tom.Smith(a)itron.com writes: Or am I overdoing it. Yup; You're overdoing it. Be sure to use "Never Sieze" on the threads to prevent corrosion between different metals. Try an Ace hardware to find it. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: 12-28 fasteners?
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 29 Dec '03

29 Dec '03

In a message dated 12/29/2003 3:56:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Tom.Smith(a)itron.com writes: Or am I overdoing it. Yup; You're overdoing it. Be sure to use "Never Sieze" on the threads to prevent corrosion between different metals. Try an Ace hardware to find it.

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