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Re: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17
by chbenneck＠juno.com 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

Bill, Captain Eugene, who had an M17, but no engine, asked me if I could help him get his boat from the Coast Guard mooring at New London, on the Thames River, to the launch ramp. We mounted my short shaft HONDA 2 HP on Eugene's M17, and with four adults on board, went up the Thames, against an outgoing tide, very nicely. We might not have reached hull speed for the M17, but there was no problem moving the M17 and it's load. My HONDA is the earlier model - without the clutch. I have no problems with it getting in or out of my slip. I fire up the engine, turn it 180 degrees so it gives me reverse; release my last spring line; jump aboard, and ...........away we go! The first time you do it, it might be a bit scary, but by the third time, it's old hat! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17
by chbenneck＠juno.com 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

Hi Bill, It's the same old problem: What are your requirements for the engine? .........move the boat in a flat calm = minimum power requirement ........move the fully loaded boat against strong currents and lots of wind = more power required. When the wind blows, I sail. When there is no wind I use the motor; ergo, my power requirements are on the minimum side. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

I use a 5hp 4-stroke 20-inch Nissan on my 1975 M-17 on the transom cutout. It works fine except when using the motor to turn. It does not interfere with the rudder. In one instance in shallow water (sails down) I had to remove the rudder and use the motor to maneuver. All that was necessary was to raise the throttle lever to a vertical position which permitted good clearance and turn the motor using the carry handle. The only problem was that with the motor alone, turning the M-17 in a little wind became really sloppy but I was able to make it to the slip. There's still nothing like the rudder. Bill K M-17 (055)

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Trailer
by stephen gray 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

Anyone in the south with a 17 looking to replace their trailer? This one showed up on E-bay and looks like it would do the job. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38633&item =2440439231 Steve

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Re: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard
by chbenneck＠juno.com 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

Hi Rusty, Stop worrying. The cast iron centerboard rusting and sticking in the CB trunk is an M17 problem. The M15 has a fiberglass board with some lead weight in the bottom to keep it down. If you don't put in the stopper knot to limit the CB travel, the CB will hit the front edge of the CB truck. The CB pivots on a pin. This pin hole in the CB is located at the upper forward edge of the CB. If the CB is allowed to fall without any restraint, then the small area of the CB between pin and leading edge of the CB might break out...................... Not to be recommended. Therefore a stopper knot (I just use a figure eight knot) that then stops the CB from going all the way down and causing damage. Rule No. 1 for a new M15 owner! Now go have fun! Oh, and have you rigged a jib down haul? Makes taking the jib down so much easier: and it stays down! If you haven't, the drill is: About a 3/16" diameter Dacron line that gets fastened to the jib halyard. The line leads down to a small swivel block at the stem fitting, and from there through one or two fair leads back to the cockpit. My M15 has two jam cleats located on the forward face of the cockpit coaming on the port side. When I drop the jib (I single hand most of the time), I release the jib halyard (cleated on the port side of the of the cabin roof), and then haul away on the jib down haul. Jib is on deck and can't go anywhere. Connie

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no water tanks required
by MC Carpenter 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

check out the Waterlog Water Maker as a supply of fresh water with out the use of electricity

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peddel power
by MC Carpenter 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

could the Hobie Cat pedal pusher prop be used it really moves the Hobie along nicely. but it is pretty big across

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RE: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand poweredoutboard
by Morris, Giles 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

>There was a little pedal boat designed by Gary Hoyt called the "Water Bug" So that's what it was! I saw one years ago in Maine, and it was a beautiful little boat -- it looked like the front of a sailplane, and under the canopy there was a set of pedals that looked designed for long-distance pedalling. It looked like a "serious" boat rather than a toy, if you see what I mean. Giles Morris

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outboard issues
by Larry Yake 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Hi Bill, I just thought I'd put in my 2-bits worth here. My '76 M17 has the cut-out in the transom. My 4HP Suzuki works very well mounted there. The rudder does not hit the prop at any angle. I leave the motor centered and steer with the rudder. Like Toms says, it handles better that way. Tipped up, the motor clears fine, and doesn't drag in the water no matter how far you heel. A year ago, I had the great idea to put on an adjustable motor mount on the starboard side and mount a swim ladder under the cut-out. The swim ladder part was great. The cut-out made a nice step-through when climbing aboard. However, I found I did not like the adjustable motor mount at all! Very awkward to use, I couldn't leave the motor on when trailering, and the boat balance was different. I ended up taking it off and putting the motor back in the cut-out. Another consideration in motor issues, is future trips you might go on. Sailing the San Juans for instance generally involves a lot of time in the "San Juan set", (mainsail up, motor running) due to erratic winds, tidal currents, schedules, etc., so a good dependable outboard with sufficient power to make a long crossing and get you to port if the weather or tides turn bad is a very good idea. Larry Yake M17 #200 Tullamore "In a power boat you get there faster. In a sailboat you're already there." On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:57:55 -0800 Bill Sylvester <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> writes: > Tom, > > I am glad to get your reply. If you were to use the transom > cutout > for the Honda, would there be enough clearance for the rudder and > tiller? I am hoping to be able to avoid using(buying and > installing) > an adjustable bracket unless I have to. > > Thanks, > > Bill > Endelig > M-17 #279 > > On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 10:18 AM, Smith, Tom wrote: > > > I use a long shaft Honda 2 on an M17. I believe it's all the ob > power > > that's required, and up to the job in conditions beyond calm > water. > > You just learn the limitations of a smaller motor and abide by the > > > rules. Our M17 is a '75 with the transom cutout, but the motor is > > > mounted on an adjustable bracket and very easy to raise and lower. > > > There doesn't seem to be any clearance problems motor to rudder. > t > > > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > > Sandpoint, Idaho > > M15-345, Chukar > > M17-064, Unnamed > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Sylvester [mailto:wmcsyl1@cox.net] > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 9:36 AM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Subject: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17 > > > > > > > > Connie, > > > > If I understand correctly, you have a Honda BF2. How > would it work on > > our M-17 as a calm water kicker? I am concerned about a bigger > motor > > interfering with the action of the rudder. > > When we brought the boat from the slip to the trailer, we > used a 50lb > > thrust Minn Kota that is presently with the boat. We never used > more > > than half of the power and everything was OK. > > I know this question has been kicked around by this group > for a long > > time. I feel that I can actually use the outboard cutout on the > > transom if the motor is small enough. > > What do you think, will the BF2 cut it? > > Have you heard of the new Honda BF 2.3? > > > > Bill > > Endelig > > M-17 #279 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > This message was scanned for viruses!! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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RE: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17
by Shawn Boles 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Connie - I do the same thing w/ my 2hp to get out of the slip. Works like a charm. The trick is to do everything slooowly.... cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com [mailto:chbenneck@juno.com] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:07 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: New old M-17 Bill, Captain Eugene, who had an M17, but no engine, asked me if I could help him get his boat from the Coast Guard mooring at New London, on the Thames River, to the launch ramp. We mounted my short shaft HONDA 2 HP on Eugene's M17, and with four adults on board, went up the Thames, against an outgoing tide, very nicely. We might not have reached hull speed for the M17, but there was no problem moving the M17 and it's load. My HONDA is the earlier model - without the clutch. I have no problems with it getting in or out of my slip. I fire up the engine, turn it 180 degrees so it gives me reverse; release my last spring line; jump aboard, and ...........away we go! The first time you do it, it might be a bit scary, but by the third time, it's old hat! Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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