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Re: M_Boats: Great News and a Question
by Jerry Lehner 24 Aug '02

24 Aug '02

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by Jeff Flancer 24 Aug '02

24 Aug '02

Hello Everybody, My name is Jeff. I live in sail in Phoenix AZ. I'm 2 days away from picking up my M-15 and I am excited. 1982 Hull #203. Mainly I have small boat experience and daysail w/ a Barnett 1400(which is for sale by the way, excellent shape, asking $1300). I had a 1996 West Wight Potter that I sailed w/ for 2 yrs. A great little boat, I enjoyed it very much. I picked a M-boat because I knew it was for sale at the Sailboat shop at the lake. I also hope I can sail slightly faster w/ the M-15 than w/ the Potter. I always came in last during races(my fault, probably not the boats). I just took my bareboat chartering course in Ca., so I hope to charter in the future but for now want a day sailer that can be handled easily on & off the water. I want to get my wife & 2 little boys out there sailing after I "break in" the boat for myself (debug). Does anyone have any thoughts on the following for the M-15. Bimini top? Which outboard, size & type shaft? Anchoring equipment & storage? Whats the Mast rake? Oars? Thoughts on putting reef points on the jib? Looking forward to hearing back from anyone. Thanks-JF

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RE: M_Boats: tilting up the Honda on the stock mount
by Steve R 24 Aug '02

24 Aug '02

Hi Tom, I do not recall trying it with the motor in the fully reversed position. I know I have not tried unclamping the motor and shifting it side to side. Between those two techniques I may be able to get it out of the water. I will give it another try tomorrow and let everyone know. Thanks, Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> wrote: >Steve, have you tried rotating the Honda backwards as you tilt it up?=20=20 > >I have to do that to lock my long shaft motor in the up position. I descri= >bed this process a year or two back. You can't tilt the motor up from the = >reverse position, so you have to start it up then rotate it as it comes up.= > Rotate it all the way around backwards and bring it to the full tilted po= >sition. The latch will either snap in, or you might have to nudge it a lit= >tle. When it catches, rotate the motor sideways (it likes to sit on one pa= >rticular side) and off you go. Reverse procedure to put it back down. You= > might have to adjust the motor right or left on the mount to achieve maxim= >um clearance.=20=20 > >I think there are mounts out there of varying thicknesses, in which case th= >is little maneuver might not work.=20=20 > >The business end of my Honda trails in the water a bit on a starboard tack,= > but is clear on a port tack. I've successfully avoided messing around wit= >h an adjustable mount using this tactic.=20=20 > >Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle >Sandpoint, Idaho >M15-345, Chukar > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Steve R [mailto:stever@mail.saabnet.com] >Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:39 PM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: Welcome Jeff > > >Hi Jeff, > > "Jeff Flancer" <jefftuni(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Does anyone have any thoughts on the following for the M-15. > >> Bimini top? > >We want one, maybe next year. > >> Which outboard, size & type shaft? > >Most M-15 people buying a new motor seem to use a Honda 2 hp. From the WWP= > message boards, that seems to be the choice of the 14/15 models as well. = >I have the long shaft. There are quite a few short shafts as well. I need= > to get an adjustable motor mount, but that is another next year project to= >o. My 2001 model will not tilt out of the water without hitting the top on= > the transom. Some earlier models could be turned sideways and tilted up. = > Some people have ground down the "tilting latch" so the motor does not til= >t to the extreme almost horizontal position, which gets the prop out of the= > water and gives clearance for the top. > >> Anchoring equipment & storage? > >So far, I have bought three anchors on e-Bay: a 4 pound and 7 pound Fortres= >s, and an 11 pound Bruce clone. I hope to persuade the admirable to make c= >anvas roll-up pouches for the take-apart Fortresses. I may hang something = >like a rod holder on the back to hold the Bruce clone. > >> Whats the Mast rake? > >At the MSOG site: > >http://msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm > >> Oars? > >I am interested in oars, but can not figure out where to put the oar locks.= > All the catalogs seem to carry only brass. Anyone seen a stainless set? > >>Thoughts on putting reef points on the jib? > >I wish I had enough wind to reef the jib! > >Good luck and best wishes with your new M-15. > >Steve R. >M-15 #119 >Lexington, KY > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: sails
by Steve R 24 Aug '02

24 Aug '02

Ken, Could you give an estimate as to how long the hand sewing would take? I keep offering to buy the admirable a new machine... Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "Ken Abrahams" <abrahams(a)structurex.net> wrote: >I have made several kits from Sailrite. They are excellent!!! >A heavy duty home sewing machine is all that is required. >Tough stuff can be stitched by hand. >Ken Abrahams, M15, Petite Fleur, Lake Charles, La.

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Great News and a Question
by Irv Kooris 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Just want to let everyone know I am now the proud owner of "Whoa Nellie". I bought her on Wednesday and now have her on Cape Cod. I want to get a motor and have a line on Tohatsu 4 hp four stroke, will this be strong enough to fight current and wind? Should I go for a 5? Is a Honda or Yamaha worth the extra bucks. I have the permanent bracket. I will have her in the water this weekend if I can get a motor and get her registered. I want to thank everyone for all their help and input. Irv

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RE: M_Boats: tilting up the Honda on the stock mount
by Smith, Tom 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Steve, have you tried rotating the Honda backwards as you tilt it up? I have to do that to lock my long shaft motor in the up position. I described this process a year or two back. You can't tilt the motor up from the reverse position, so you have to start it up then rotate it as it comes up. Rotate it all the way around backwards and bring it to the full tilted position. The latch will either snap in, or you might have to nudge it a little. When it catches, rotate the motor sideways (it likes to sit on one particular side) and off you go. Reverse procedure to put it back down. You might have to adjust the motor right or left on the mount to achieve maximum clearance. I think there are mounts out there of varying thicknesses, in which case this little maneuver might not work. The business end of my Honda trails in the water a bit on a starboard tack, but is clear on a port tack. I've successfully avoided messing around with an adjustable mount using this tactic. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Steve R [mailto:stever@mail.saabnet.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 3:39 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Welcome Jeff Hi Jeff, "Jeff Flancer" <jefftuni(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts on the following for the M-15. > Bimini top? We want one, maybe next year. > Which outboard, size & type shaft? Most M-15 people buying a new motor seem to use a Honda 2 hp. From the WWP message boards, that seems to be the choice of the 14/15 models as well. I have the long shaft. There are quite a few short shafts as well. I need to get an adjustable motor mount, but that is another next year project too. My 2001 model will not tilt out of the water without hitting the top on the transom. Some earlier models could be turned sideways and tilted up. Some people have ground down the "tilting latch" so the motor does not tilt to the extreme almost horizontal position, which gets the prop out of the water and gives clearance for the top. > Anchoring equipment & storage? So far, I have bought three anchors on e-Bay: a 4 pound and 7 pound Fortress, and an 11 pound Bruce clone. I hope to persuade the admirable to make canvas roll-up pouches for the take-apart Fortresses. I may hang something like a rod holder on the back to hold the Bruce clone. > Whats the Mast rake? At the MSOG site: http://msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm > Oars? I am interested in oars, but can not figure out where to put the oar locks. All the catalogs seem to carry only brass. Anyone seen a stainless set? >Thoughts on putting reef points on the jib? I wish I had enough wind to reef the jib! Good luck and best wishes with your new M-15. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Welcome Jeff
by Steve R 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Hi Jeff, "Jeff Flancer" <jefftuni(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts on the following for the M-15. > Bimini top? We want one, maybe next year. > Which outboard, size & type shaft? Most M-15 people buying a new motor seem to use a Honda 2 hp. From the WWP message boards, that seems to be the choice of the 14/15 models as well. I have the long shaft. There are quite a few short shafts as well. I need to get an adjustable motor mount, but that is another next year project too. My 2001 model will not tilt out of the water without hitting the top on the transom. Some earlier models could be turned sideways and tilted up. Some people have ground down the "tilting latch" so the motor does not tilt to the extreme almost horizontal position, which gets the prop out of the water and gives clearance for the top. > Anchoring equipment & storage? So far, I have bought three anchors on e-Bay: a 4 pound and 7 pound Fortress, and an 11 pound Bruce clone. I hope to persuade the admirable to make canvas roll-up pouches for the take-apart Fortresses. I may hang something like a rod holder on the back to hold the Bruce clone. > Whats the Mast rake? At the MSOG site: http://msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm > Oars? I am interested in oars, but can not figure out where to put the oar locks. All the catalogs seem to carry only brass. Anyone seen a stainless set? >Thoughts on putting reef points on the jib? I wish I had enough wind to reef the jib! Good luck and best wishes with your new M-15. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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Re: M_Boats: tiller for the 15
by Conbert H Benneck 23 Aug '02

23 Aug '02

Hi Rich, Good points! 1. My crew has long flown the coop, and sailing is done 90 by myself and 10 with my wife when we go off to Lake Champlain or other destination, so tiller length is to suit ME, the Captain, and not the crew. 2. Stowing it below is a very valid point, and I'm playing with the idea of a two length tiller. Think Reese hitch box as one approach. Insert the short tiller when you have more people aboard, and the longer tiller when sailing alone. I haven't worked out the details, but at the moment I am tending towards a "tiller extension" that mounts on the regular tiller, (which is the mock-up I've just tried) and which can be removed very rapidly if you want to go back to the "regular length" tiller. That should solve the stowage below problem since rudder / tiller length hasn't changed. 3. Installation of rudder on boat shouldn't be a bigger problem with the longer tiller. 4. When trying out my long tiller mock-up, I experienced a few very good heavy gusts that layed the M15 over. I found that rudder control with the longer tiller was excellent - particularly with the tiller grip area being about 3 to 4 inches higher than on the original tiller. It's a more natural holding position, and I found, give you better control. 5. Now you are revealing my secret weapon in sailing races. That will keep those that want to crowd you a safe distance away once you have used the perfectly legal tiller weapon on them......! Connie

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sails
by dik lang 22 Aug '02

22 Aug '02

Does any one have any familiarity with the company Sailrite? They produce sail kits precut for you to sew. I found myself in 25 to 30 mph winds with 4 foot breaking waves the other day and was a bit uncomfortable!! I was using a single reefed main and std jib. I think I would like a storm jib!! Sailrite has a kit for around 200. Has anyone attempted this? Dik Lang m-17 #375 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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tiller for the 15
by rc2222＠postoffice.pacbell.net 22 Aug '02

22 Aug '02

The longer tiller raises some questions. How can crew remain on board with a four to a four and a half foot tiller? How will the tiller/rudder store below? How much more difficult will it be to install rudder and tiller on boat? Will the longer tiller get in the way when making quick adjustments in high winds and waves? When turning the tiller all the way to the extreme how safe will other boats be from being rammed by the tiller handle? Rich Cottrell "Really"

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