February 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: M-15 & comparable boats
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

Hi Cherri, You might also want to take a look at the Precision 165. I haven't seen or sailed one, but it looks good on paper and is built in FL. The Precision seems to be built for speed, with lots of sail area and light displacement for her length. She has a bulb "wing" keel. One caveate is that the lightness (750#) comes at a price. I'm sure they aren't as strongly built as Montgomeries. Come to think of it, are there ANY trailer boats as strong as the Monty's? Steve Tyree, P-15

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Re: M_Boats: Oar Leathers
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

Oar leathers go between the oar and the oarlock. If you row a boat much, the oars will get chewed up without them. I took a suggestion from Dynamite Payson in one of his instant boat books and used braided nylon line in place of leathers. Basically, you wrap the line (I used 1/8") around the oar and hold it in place with brass brads. It's worked fairly well, although I should have wrapped the line tighter. The price was certainly right! Steve Tyree, P-15

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Re: M_Boats: M-15
by Mark Pavuk 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

Thanks for you help, Connie. I used to live in Ashford, CT, and my son was born at Hartford Hospital. If we get up that way, I'll let you know. I am in touch with an M-15 owner in Morgantown, W. VA, and if my husband says we can afford it, I will probably buy his this spring. Mark doesn't really care about sailing too much and money isn't plentiful since Sept. 11, but we live in an ideal area for sailing ( Barnegat Bay) and it is a passion for me. It's a nice escape from 5 kids, also :) Cherri ---------- >From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck(a)juno.com> >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 >Date: Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 3:20 PM > >Hi Cherri, > >You've hit the right spot now! > >As far as I'm concerned you can't beat a Montgomery 15 for what you want >to do. > >I've owned a Goldplater 29footer for 26 years - same boat - loved it: >then wanted to move up to it's big brother a 38 footer; quickly saw that >that was a mistake and sold it again. > >Finally sold the 29 footer because we have been up and down the New >England coast for years and years: harbors are now wall to wall boats; no >more peace and quiet; not to mention the marina and storage costs. > >Then bought a Bolger designed MICRO - cat yawl - and had a ball with it, >but ..... stepping the 26 foot long free-standing mast became more than >I could handle. > >At that point I found a rather derelict ComPac 16 in Florida; bought it; >rebuilt it and sailed it for a few years. >but, .......it had no proper storage that every sailboat needs; and >didn't point very well. It was a nice little boat, but..... > >Then I heard about the Montgomery 15. Got on this website and asked for >information. It came from all corners of the USA. and Alaska. All my >questions were answered; brochures were sent.... > >By now, I had to have an M15, so finally got one in Panama City Florida; >bought it sight unseen, drove down and picked it up. > >I have now owned it for four years. It is an excellent design; good >storage in cockpit sail lockers as well as in the cabin; has a big >double berth forward (with no mast support); has a porta-potti. > >It sails very nicely indeed; is fast, and weatherly. I am totally happy >with my choice and can only say it is the best of anything in this size >range. > >I haul my M15 with a VW 1.8T GTI. We've sailed in Moosehead Lake, ME, >and several times in Lake Champlain. Launching and retrieving is easy, >and I do it mostly by myself, though it is kinda-handy to have some else >drive the car back up the ramp while you are afloat... A minor >problem! > >I'm sure you'll hear from others on the web as well, and I've never heard >a word of complaint. They are the ultimate 15 footer! > >If you happen to be anywhere near the Hartford, CT area, I'd be glad to >show you mine. Just give a holler! > >Connie >M15 #400 LEPPO >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: M-15
by AirEvacLen＠aol.com 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

In a message dated 2/15/02 1:12:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time, stevemc35(a)attbi.com writes: > You came to the right place for information about > Montgomerys, Cherri; however, I'm not sure if the > opinions you get here will be entirely objective. > > Oh, come now Steve..............Surely you can't mean it. < vbg> Lenny M-23 #003 Sea Horse

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Re: M_Boats: M-15
by Weesail＠aol.com 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

In a message dated 2/15/02 11:45:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, mcpavuk(a)worldnet.att.net writes: > nor can I find any independent evaluations on > the internet. <A HREF="http://sailnet.com/collections/buyingaboat/boatcheck/boatcheck.cfm?page=dir…">SailNet BoatCheck</A> >

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M-15
by Mark Pavuk 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

I am looking to buy a used boat with the requirements of being easy to solo sail, shallow draft, and flexible usage as either a daysailor or overnighter. I keep coming back to the M-15 as the perfect fit on paper but have never seen one, nor can I find any independent evaluations on the internet. Most people I talk with have not even heard of Montgomery sailboats, which may be related to the fact that I live in NJ and the company is on the West Coast. Can anyone give me some assurance that the boat is as good as it sounds and also anything negative about it so that I can make a reasonably intelligent choice this time and have a boat that I can stay with for a long time? My first boat was a Bristol 24 which was a wonderful boat but sat in the marina for lack of crew most of the time, plus the marina fees were killers. Thanks. Cherri Pavuk mcpavuk(a)worldnet.att.net

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Re: M_Boats: M-15
by Conbert H Benneck 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

Hi Cherri, You've hit the right spot now! As far as I'm concerned you can't beat a Montgomery 15 for what you want to do. I've owned a Goldplater 29footer for 26 years - same boat - loved it: then wanted to move up to it's big brother a 38 footer; quickly saw that that was a mistake and sold it again. Finally sold the 29 footer because we have been up and down the New England coast for years and years: harbors are now wall to wall boats; no more peace and quiet; not to mention the marina and storage costs. Then bought a Bolger designed MICRO - cat yawl - and had a ball with it, but ..... stepping the 26 foot long free-standing mast became more than I could handle. At that point I found a rather derelict ComPac 16 in Florida; bought it; rebuilt it and sailed it for a few years. but, .......it had no proper storage that every sailboat needs; and didn't point very well. It was a nice little boat, but..... Then I heard about the Montgomery 15. Got on this website and asked for information. It came from all corners of the USA. and Alaska. All my questions were answered; brochures were sent.... By now, I had to have an M15, so finally got one in Panama City Florida; bought it sight unseen, drove down and picked it up. I have now owned it for four years. It is an excellent design; good storage in cockpit sail lockers as well as in the cabin; has a big double berth forward (with no mast support); has a porta-potti. It sails very nicely indeed; is fast, and weatherly. I am totally happy with my choice and can only say it is the best of anything in this size range. I haul my M15 with a VW 1.8T GTI. We've sailed in Moosehead Lake, ME, and several times in Lake Champlain. Launching and retrieving is easy, and I do it mostly by myself, though it is kinda-handy to have some else drive the car back up the ramp while you are afloat... A minor problem! I'm sure you'll hear from others on the web as well, and I've never heard a word of complaint. They are the ultimate 15 footer! If you happen to be anywhere near the Hartford, CT area, I'd be glad to show you mine. Just give a holler! Connie M15 #400 LEPPO ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: M-15
by stevemc35＠attbi.com 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

You came to the right place for information about Montgomerys, Cherri; however, I'm not sure if the opinions you get here will be entirely objective. You see, all Montgomery owners tend to love their boats with a passion strong enough almost to cloud reason. (I said 'almost'). My own opinion given your description is that a Montgomery is precisely what you need. It is a very sturdy, reliable, great-sailing, salty-looking boat that will tow behind almost anything, and fit easily in your garage. For a great comparison of the Montgomery 15 with another popular pocket cruiser, go to the Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group website, click on "See the M-Boats" then choose "M-15" and finally "Montgomery 15 and Compac 16". Good luck in your quest, and let us know how it goes! -- Steve McClellan 1981 M15 #152 stevemc35(a)attbi.com > I am looking to buy a used boat with the requirements of being easy to > solo sail, shallow draft, and flexible usage as either a daysailor or > overnighter. I keep coming back to the M-15 as the perfect fit on paper > but have never seen one, nor can I find any independent evaluations on > the internet. Most people I talk with have not even heard of Montgomery > sailboats, which may be related to the fact that I live in NJ and the > company is on the West Coast. Can anyone give me some assurance that the > boat is as good as it sounds and also anything negative about it so that > I can make a reasonably intelligent choice this time and have a boat > that I can stay with for a long time? My first boat was a Bristol 24 > which was a wonderful boat but sat in the marina for lack of crew most > of the time, plus the marina fees were killers. Thanks. > > Cherri Pavuk > mcpavuk(a)worldnet.att.net > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Hatchboards
by Conbert H Benneck 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

John, Sorry, I do not have any pictures of my lower hatchboard. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: Fw: M_Boats: Sheet-to-Tiller Steering
by stevemc35＠attbi.com 15 Feb '02

15 Feb '02

Thanks Tod for the links -- this is exactly what I was looking for! However, one BIG thing is troubling me. Am I completely nuts?? Is it not true that, as your vessel turns more off the wind, assuming no easing of the sheets, that tension on the sheets would INCREASE? and vice versa, that as your vessel points more to weather, assuming no trimming of the sheets, that the tension on the sheets would decrease? Obviously I must be wrong about that or else, if I am interpreting all the pictures (both yours and others') correctly they rely on the opposite assumption, that tension on the main sheet will decrease as you start to point more off the wind. So all I want to know is, is my assumption incorrect, or am I mis-interpreting the pictures? It looks to me that in your picture, for instance, if the tension on the sheet INCREASED it would point you MORE AWAY from the wind. is that right? -- Steve McClellan 1981 M15 #152 stevemc35(a)attbi.com > Thanks to Judy B. for forwarding the address (below) of OarClubJay's > alternative arrangement.... > > ---------- > > Date: Wed, Feb 13, 02 20:28:15 > > From: Judith Franklin Blumhorst, DC > > To: Mills, Tod > > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Sheet-to-Tiller Steering > > > > Tod, > > > > Here's the post on the Potter TSBB > > http://trailersailor.com/forums/potter/index.cgi?read=9933 > > > > Best, Judy B > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of > > htmills(a)bright.net > > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2893 3:44 PM > > To: >Mboats< > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sheet-to-Tiller Steering > > > > > > Steve, > > > > There is a real good explanation of it at this web page: > > > > http://www.oarclub.org/page12.html > > > > A couple pictures of the arrangement I've been using for > > wind abeam or higher are here: > > > > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/selfsteer01.jpg > > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/ssinside.jpg > > > > Oar Club Jay had an arrangement I want to try this summer; there > > is a sketch of it on the trailersailor Potter forum from about a > > month or so ago. I don't have the address handy for that. > > > > Tod > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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