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Re: Re: Re: [Men Without Hats] PSB&MWH
by symmetry＠optusnet.com.au 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

...saw DEVO at the Livid Festival in Brisbane a few years back, and they were amazing. I was a bit tentative, because it had been such a long time since they had played live (and twenty years since touring Australia), but they really pulled it off - particularly satisfying for me because they were playing to a predominantly younger audience, most of whom had never heard of them! > Daniele Rossi <daniele(a)superspud.com> wrote: > > >Funny really - Chris had brought his entire system along for the > > ride - so the music was live, which was great. Except that it > sounded just > as > > produced as the CDs - so I didn't see the point (typical PSB > extravagance > > probably). > > I feel the same way about Depeche Mode. "101" was a disappointment > and > their concert sounded just like it (years later of course!) :) > > > _______________________________________________ > Men-Without-Hats mailing list > Men-Without-Hats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/men-without-hats

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Re: Re: [Men Without Hats] PSB&MWH
by symmetry＠optusnet.com.au 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

"basslines aren't copyrightable" - Mmmm... not sure about this. I remember years ago that it was 'eight bars'; you could sample (or otherwise rip) eight bars before infringing copyright. Of course, with a great majority of modern pop music, eight bars constitutes the entirety of the song so this doesnt really hold up anymore. I used to listen to lots of PSB too, when I was dating a girl who loved them. I must admit I prefer my electronica to be a bit more gritty; more raw less produced. I saw them live when they came to Australia some years back, and was a bit disappointed. Funny really Chris had brought his entire system along for the ride so the music was live, which was great. Except that it sounded just as produced as the CDs so I didnt see the point (typical PSB extravagance probably). Cheers > Daniele Rossi <daniele(a)superspud.com> wrote: > > > > > Did they say anything about the melody (bass-line) from 'Rent', > which is > exactly > > like 'Behind the Mask' by Yellow Magic Orchestra? > > No but they (Chris) did say that . I > wasn't > sure if he meant it as a joke or not. I love Rent but I always > thought how > original the song sounded! Well, I guess I was wrong! > > > _______________________________________________ > Men-Without-Hats mailing list > Men-Without-Hats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/men-without-hats

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Re: [Men Without Hats] PSB&MWH
by symmetry＠optusnet.com.au 23 Apr '02

23 Apr '02

Did they say anything about the melody (bass-line) from 'Rent', which is exactly like 'Behind the Mask' by Yellow Magic Orchestra? Sterling > Daniele Rossi <daniele(a)superspud.com> wrote: > > I just got the remastered first album of Pet Shop Boys and noticed > that " A > man could get arrested" has a melody just like 'the Safety Dance' > melody > used in 'Pop Goes The World'. I think it's coincidence because, > according to > the accompanying book included with the CD, it seems they wrote most > of > their songs in the early 80s and they listed all the songs they > ripped off > melodies from. At least they were honest :) Safety Dance wasn't one > of > them. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Men-Without-Hats mailing list > Men-Without-Hats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/men-without-hats

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PSB&MWH
by Daniele Rossi 21 Apr '02

21 Apr '02

I just got the remastered first album of Pet Shop Boys and noticed that " A man could get arrested" has a melody just like 'the Safety Dance' melody used in 'Pop Goes The World'. I think it's coincidence because, according to the accompanying book included with the CD, it seems they wrote most of their songs in the early 80s and they listed all the songs they ripped off melodies from. At least they were honest :) Safety Dance wasn't one of them.

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hats off
by Katteal2002＠aol.com 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

Sterling , I think you said it quite beautifully. So my hats off to you! GOOD JOB! I don't have any idea about the music industry or what goes on behind it, but I do know that Stefan was doing what he thought was right. And, I respect him for that.

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Re: [Men Without Hats] whaza
by symmetry＠optusnet.com.au 15 Apr '02

15 Apr '02

I can appreciate both sides of the argument, having been in the industry for many years myself. I am under the impression that MWH were pretty badly burnt by some industry dudes, and by some people that they had trusted... as this has happened to myself, and nearly destroyed me, I have to respect Stephan's stand (although I don't like it). The other side of it is this: if my fans were dedicated enough to share my music (and their own covers) amongst themselves, then great! It may not be great for my bank balance, but terrific for my ego. Hey, how are a dozen or so devotees going to have much impact on my income anyhow? They can't make me any poorer than I already am (LOL). Moral of the story: There's music. And then there's the 'music industry', and they seldom meet. Cheers all, Sterling > The One <theone(a)purpleforest.net> wrote: > > just wonderin Myke- > what on earth do any actions taken or words spoken by anyone involved > in MWH have to do with the quality of the music or your listening > pleasure thereof? > > i really do not understand. > > anyhow, i'll bet that if you researched it, you would probably find > things that several other artists you enjoy did that you frown upon > or find distasteful as well, and your listening selection would > really diminish..... > > i for one do not like what Metallica did to Napster, but i will still > listen to their tunes (but i will not buy any of their cds! <grin>) > > just curious :) >

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whaza
by The One 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

just wonderin Myke- what on earth do any actions taken or words spoken by anyone involved in MWH have to do with the quality of the music or your listening pleasure thereof? i really do not understand. anyhow, i'll bet that if you researched it, you would probably find things that several other artists you enjoy did that you frown upon or find distasteful as well, and your listening selection would really diminish..... i for one do not like what Metallica did to Napster, but i will still listen to their tunes (but i will not buy any of their cds! <grin>) just curious :)

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Re: [Men Without Hats] Life After Diamond Head / Dalliance MP3 Single
by Lord Hasenpfeffer 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 22:48:30 -0400 (EDT) > From: Senz <senz317(a)yahoo.ca> > > Interesting version you got there Myke... Why, thank you, I think! :-D > there seems to be a certain... energy... > about it. It's very loud, yes... almost rude at times. :) > Very... Art of Noise. Whoa! Thanks, dood! I've been a major AoN fan since I first purchased, "Who's Afraid Of? The Art Of Noise!" on vinyl way back in 1984. I was greatly saddened by Trevor Horn's departure from the AoN in 1985/6 but managed to maintain an interest in their music without him nevertheless. I'm now the proud owner of every CD in the official AoN catalog. The long out-of-print "Invisible Silence" CD was the toughest one to acquire but, thanks to eBay, not entirely impossible. > I have to admit, though, I had to actually replay the original MWH > cut just to refresh my memory! Yep. I did too the other day! I've hardly listened to anything by MWH ever since Stefan did what he did to Richard Holdman. Ever met a drop-dead gorgeous girl with a personality so rotten that she ends up looking ugly to you? That's kinda the same thing that's happened to me with MWH's music after Stefan revealed to me his true inner self. > (I think I've played that particular song maybe twice > or something similar :-) What??? I *used* to play it all the time (back when I used to believe that Stefan and Ivan were equally cool). > I took the liberty of adding your melody to Richard's > site. > http://www.holdman.com/mwhcovers/archive/ Thank you very much! The instructions at the site, though, really need to be changed if we're no longer allowed to directly upload files on our own. > btw, can you really be sure Stefan doesn't have a > bigger dog than your own? Extra! Extra! Bull Mastiff Destroys Chihuahua! Read all about it! :) > From: symmetry(a)optusnet.com.au > Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:51:08 +1000 > Subject: Re: Re: [Men Without Hats] Life After Diamond Head / Dalliance MP3 Single > > Is the Dog's name Barney? > > Sterling > (sorry guys, but someone had to ask...) Sorry, dood. You lost me there! Last I knew, Barney was a dinosaur. ???????????????? Myke

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Re: [Men Without Hats] Life After Diamond Head / Dalliance MP3 Single
by Lord Hasenpfeffer 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:36:19 -0500 > From: "Matt McCarthy" <mmccarthy(a)greenbaynet.com> > > I like it. It will be great in the car. Thanks Myke. Thank you very much and you're very welcome! The thought of anybody actually listening to that in their car totally cracks me up! I, however, do enjoy playing it loudly on my computer at the office after most everybody's gone home for the day! A certain level of volume is required before it's full effect really kicks in, I think. I'm most curiuos about whether or not anybody can tell where some of the samples I used originated. I have a lot of fun making my own original "instruments" with completely original sound samples (The 'B-side' of my MP3 single, "Dalliance", is comprised of 100% original stuff.) but occasionally I can find good uses for samples lifted from other sources as well. Whenever I do that, however, I like to process them in ways that obscure their origin - as opposed to cRappers who do nothing to conceal their sources and enjoy destroying the works of others in pursuit of personal gain. > I recognized it somewhat but, I too, had to pull out the CD for a refresher. That's good! Very good! "Sideways" is by no means my favourite MWH album either but it's certainly not worthless. I can at least play it all the way through from time to time and enjoy it to an extent whereas I've always found "In The 21st Century" to be so boring it's almost entirely unbearable. > Sideways is not my favorite release, but I haven't listened much because the > CD I have has problems. It skips and fades in and out. Any way to fix this? Not to my knowledge. My copy (purchased in '97 from HMV Canada) sounds just fine. > <Barney hahahaha g1> What am I'm missing about that? I don't get it at all. Myke

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Jenny had a Vision
by Divisio＠aol.com 14 Apr '02

14 Apr '02

I have been listening to the Pop Cd for probably close to 9 years now and after all that time, I have just heard something I never heard before... When Ivan says the line "Jenny had a vision" at the beginning of "In the Name of Angels," there's a brief quiet applause in the background...is the song supposed to be imagined as if the band is singing to an audience? This may be something everybody else has noticed..but not me. Collin from Savannah.

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