[math-fun] Better late than never? Turing has been pardoned.
On 12/24/2013 11:39 AM, Mike Speciner wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/24/world/europe/alan-turing-royal-pardon/inde...
Of course it's the government that is in need of pardon for the cruelty and stupidity of its action. God save the queens. Brent
Also it hasn't been applied to all the others..... On 24 Dec 2013, at 23:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/24/2013 11:39 AM, Mike Speciner wrote:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/24/world/europe/alan-turing-royal-pardon/inde...
Of course it's the government that is in need of pardon for the cruelty and stupidity of its action.
God save the queens.
Brent
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On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 6:35 AM, David Makin <makinmagic@tiscali.co.uk>wrote:
Also it hasn't been applied to all the others.....
Yes, that was my thought. Shouldn't they be offering a blanket pardon and apology to *everyone* convicted under those laws? Otherwise, aren't they sending a message of "well, I guess we can put up with homosexuality if you're brilliant and famous and a war hero,. Otherwise..."
Andy
Total agreement with both of you. --Dan On 2013-12-25, at 10:41 AM, Andy Latto wrote:
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 6:35 AM, David Makin <makinmagic@tiscali.co.uk>wrote:
Also it hasn't been applied to all the others.....
Yes, that was my thought. Shouldn't they be offering a blanket pardon and apology to *everyone* convicted under those laws? Otherwise, aren't they sending a message of "well, I guess we can put up with homosexuality if you're brilliant and famous and a war hero,. Otherwise..."
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The reason that Turing received a pardon, as opposed to a blanket pardon for all homosexuals, is that the pardon is the end result of a grass roots campaign to pardon Turing as opposed to all homosexuals convicted in that era. Yes, we could hope for a broader apology, and if there is a significant public outcry, perhaps one will materialize. Still, an official pardon for Turing, who was convicted under duly passed and publicly supported laws, is tantamount to a repudiation of those laws (officially struck down in 1967 in England), and certainly speaks volumes for the change in public sentiment toward homosexuality since the time of Turing's conviction. In the end, apologies and pardons are symbolic acts that admit wrongs but do not undo or redress them. Rather than demanding apologies for defunct laws, perhaps we should demand current laws that won't require future apologies.
-----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun- bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andy Latto Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 1:42 PM To: math-fun Subject: Re: [math-fun] Better late than never? Turing has been pardoned.
On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 6:35 AM, David Makin <makinmagic@tiscali.co.uk>wrote:
Also it hasn't been applied to all the others.....
Yes, that was my thought. Shouldn't they be offering a blanket pardon and apology to *everyone* convicted under those laws? Otherwise, aren't they sending a message of "well, I guess we can put up with homosexuality if you're brilliant and famous and a war hero,. Otherwise..."
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