[math-fun] binary operation seeks symbol, name
Has anyone encountered the operation { min(x,y) if x neq y, f(x,y) = { { x+1 if x = y before, or the three related operations in which min is replaced by max and/or +1 is replaced by -1? These operations have come up in my work, and I need symbols (and possibly names) for a couple of them; I'm guessing I'm not the first person to stumble upon them. E.g., note that if x, y, and z are the highest powers of 2 dividing integers a, b, and c that sum to zero, then z = f(x,y). But the two I need names and symbols for are actually { min(x,y) if x neq y, x-1 if x = y } and { max(x,y) if x neq y, x+1 if x = y }. (In my writeup-in-progress I've been calling them "smin" and "smax", but I no longer recall why I chose "s"; for "special", maybe?) Jim Propp
I don't have any suggestions, but the operation vaguely reminds me of the logic of electron orbitals, where a new electron drops into the lowest orbital that doesn't already have two electrons. On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:07 PM, James Propp <jpropp@cs.uml.edu> wrote:
Has anyone encountered the operation
{ min(x,y) if x neq y, f(x,y) = { { x+1 if x = y
before, or the three related operations in which min is replaced by max and/or +1 is replaced by -1?
These operations have come up in my work, and I need symbols (and possibly names) for a couple of them; I'm guessing I'm not the first person to stumble upon them. E.g., note that if x, y, and z are the highest powers of 2 dividing integers a, b, and c that sum to zero, then z = f(x,y). But the two I need names and symbols for are actually { min(x,y) if x neq y, x-1 if x = y } and { max(x,y) if x neq y, x+1 if x = y }. (In my writeup-in-progress I've been calling them "smin" and "smax", but I no longer recall why I chose "s"; for "special", maybe?)
Jim Propp
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I need names and symbols for { min(x,y) if x neq y, x-1 if x = y } and { max(x,y) if x neq y, x+1 if x = y }. In my writeup-in-progress I've been calling them "smin" and "smax"
i rather like smin and smax. if nothing else, they are fun to say..... erich
* James Propp <jpropp@cs.uml.edu> [Jul 24. 2009 12:55]:
[...] But the two I need names and symbols for are actually { min(x,y) if x neq y, x-1 if x = y } and { max(x,y) if x neq y, x+1 if x = y }. (In my writeup-in-progress I've been calling them "smin" and "smax", but I no longer recall why I chose "s"; for "special", maybe?)
minp (MIN or Previous) maxn (MAX or Next) Not so fun to say but sufficiently suggestive. Symmetry suggests to call them omin and omax (where the 'o' is for 'outer', the direction of 'outer' is fixed by min and max already). Hmm...., mino and maxo ? These would look nicer: max_{+} and min_{-} ... and allow for max_{-} and min_{+} if ever needed. Symbols \vee and \wedge with subscripts + and - as needed?
Jim Propp
Tell us more about the interesting properties of these operators. At 08:24 PM 7/23/2009, Joerg Arndt wrote:
* James Propp <jpropp@cs.uml.edu> [Jul 24. 2009 12:55]:
[...] But the two I need names and symbols for are actually { min(x,y) if x neq y, x-1 if x = y } and { max(x,y) if x neq y, x+1 if x = y }. (In my writeup-in-progress I've been calling them "smin" and "smax", but I no longer recall why I chose "s"; for "special", maybe?)
minp (MIN or Previous) maxn (MAX or Next) Not so fun to say but sufficiently suggestive.
Symmetry suggests to call them omin and omax (where the 'o' is for 'outer', the direction of 'outer' is fixed by min and max already). Hmm...., mino and maxo ?
These would look nicer: max_{+} and min_{-} ... and allow for max_{-} and min_{+} if ever needed.
Symbols \vee and \wedge with subscripts + and - as needed?
Jim Propp
=Erich Friedman i rather like smin and smax. if nothing else, they are fun to say.....
=Joerg Arndt minp (MIN or Previous) maxn (MAX or Next) Not so fun to say but sufficiently suggestive.
So, maybe a hybrid? pmin (Predecessor or MINimum) smax (Successor or MAXimum) with natural duals smin and pmax
=James Propp I need symbols
Why? Are you expecting to write a lot of "algebra" with these as binary infix operators? If not, four letters seems reasonably terse and perhaps more scrutable. Curious: they easily generalize to more than two arguments, but not fewer. They almost seem like parts for a Turing machine...
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