Re: [math-fun] muffin problem
Scott Huddleston writes:
The muffin problem should really be considered in projective space r = m/p, and I'll henceforth usually write S(r) instead of S(m,p).
I don't understand; if we haven't proved that S(km,kp) = S(m,p) for all k, then how can this be right? Jim
Jim Propp writes:
Scott Huddleston writes:
The muffin problem should really be considered in projective space r = m/p, and I'll henceforth usually write S(r) instead of S(m,p).
I don't understand; if we haven't proved that S(km,kp) = S(m,p) for all k, then how can this be right?
Even if there were cases with S(km,kp) < S(m,p), the non-projective view doesn't encourage and might even preclude asking about and exploring the (many) cases where the projective view S(r) has continuous intervals. For the original 2 partition problem, no one has seen a case where S(km,kp) < S(m,p), or suggested a plausible way one could arise. My ongoing 2 partition structure explorations might actually be approaching a complete solution. At this point I consider it extremely remote that S(km,kp) ever improves S(m,p). On the other hand, we've already seen examples S(ka,kb,kc) < S(a,b,c) in the 3 partition case. I expect the projective view will be the more insightful view even here. It's useful and helpful to normalize a < b < c in S(a,b,c), and we could consider projective S_0(r_1,r_2) = non-projective S(m, m*r_1, m*r_2), where the non-projective arguments are integers in lowest terms. But I expect the more interesting and "universal" projective quantity is S^*(r_1,r_2) = infimum_{k>0} S(k*m, k*m*r_1, k*m*r_2). It's surely the case, for given a<b<c, that S^*(b/a,c/a) = S(ka,kb,kc) for some finite k. I conjecture there's a single finite K_3 which achieves the S^* bound for all 3 partition instances, S*(b/a,c/a) = S(K_3*a, K_3*b, K_3*c), and similarly, for all j partition instances, a single finite K_j that achieves S^*(a_2/a_1, a_3/a_1, ..., a_j/a_1) = S(K_j*a_1, K_j*a_2, ..., K_j*a_j). I predict for the 3 partition case that we'll eventually find interesting regions and/or linear submanifolds where S^*(r_1,r_2) is continuous. Even stating this in a non-projective notation is clumsy at best. - Scott
Even if there were cases with S(km,kp) < S(m,p), the non-projective view doesn't encourage and might even preclude asking about and exploring the (many) cases where the projective view S(r) has continuous intervals.
We don't know there are any such intervals, do we? There is no open interval on which we know all the values of S, so we can't know that it is continuous anywhere. -- Andy.Latto@pobox.com
Continuous intervals for S(r) on both sides of integers and half-integers have been "known" since January, but not proved yet. I'm wrapping up a proof and can probably post it later this week. Examples: S(r) = r/5 on (2,15/7] S(r) = 1-3/r on [9/5,2) S(r) = r/4 on (3/2,8/5 S(r) = 1/3 on [4/3,3/2) (a special case) A new example from my recent posts is S(r) = (2r-1)/6 on (12/7,59/34] S is not continuous in a neighborhood of 1, however. - Scott
-----Original Message----- From: math-fun-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:math-fun- bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andy Latto Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 8:43 PM To: math-fun Subject: Re: [math-fun] muffin problem
Even if there were cases with S(km,kp) < S(m,p), the non-projective view doesn't encourage and might even preclude asking about and exploring the (many) cases where the projective view S(r) has continuous intervals.
We don't know there are any such intervals, do we? There is no open interval on which we know all the values of S, so we can't know that it is continuous anywhere.
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