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Very, very cool! —Dan
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Although the genus Nelumbo is very old according to the fossil record, the two extant species in the genus are estimated to be quite young, having diverged approximately 1.5 (0.3–4.2) Ma (Table 2). Thus, rather than representing relicts from different ancestors on different continents, they appear to have diverged from a common ancestor. The two species can be artificially hybridized, and a conspecific status has been suggested(Huang et al., 1992). The dispute over the specific status of the two species had been discussed previously (Tian& Zhou, 2006).
Quoted from combat files with Chas or Julian or whoever. Read at your own risk, Not Safe For Work or University: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/c/dndT6A5WUIs Happy New Year, --Brad On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:10 PM Dan Asimov <asimov@msri.org> wrote:
Very, very cool!
—Dan
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<< Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics? >> Try closing the NYT page, deleting cookies ("clear browsing data" or whatever), re-opening the page. On 12/29/20, Brad Klee <bradklee@gmail.com> wrote:
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Although the genus Nelumbo is very old according to the fossil record, the two extant species in the genus are estimated to be quite young, having diverged approximately 1.5 (0.3–4.2) Ma (Table 2). Thus, rather than representing relicts from different ancestors on different continents, they appear to have diverged from a common ancestor. The two species can be artificially hybridized, and a conspecific status has been suggested(Huang et al., 1992). The dispute over the specific status of the two species had been discussed previously (Tian& Zhou, 2006).
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Happy New Year,
--Brad
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Very, very cool!
—Dan
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but if you delete all your cookies, you will have to reenter all your thousands of passwords Best regards Neil Neil J. A. Sloane, President, OEIS Foundation. 11 South Adelaide Avenue, Highland Park, NJ 08904, USA. Also Visiting Scientist, Math. Dept., Rutgers University, Piscataway, NJ. Phone: 732 828 6098; home page: http://NeilSloane.com Email: njasloane@gmail.com On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 9:12 PM Fred Lunnon <fred.lunnon@gmail.com> wrote:
<< Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics? >>
Try closing the NYT page, deleting cookies ("clear browsing data" or whatever), re-opening the page.
On 12/29/20, Brad Klee <bradklee@gmail.com> wrote:
Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics?
Although the genus Nelumbo is very old according to the fossil record, the two extant species in the genus are estimated to be quite young, having diverged approximately 1.5 (0.3–4.2) Ma (Table 2). Thus, rather than representing relicts from different ancestors on different continents, they appear to have diverged from a common ancestor. The two species can be artificially hybridized, and a conspecific status has been suggested(Huang et al., 1992). The dispute over the specific status of the two species had been discussed previously (Tian& Zhou, 2006).
Quoted from combat files with Chas or Julian or whoever. Read at your own risk, Not Safe For Work or University:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/c/dndT6A5WUIs
Happy New Year,
--Brad
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:10 PM Dan Asimov <asimov@msri.org> wrote:
Very, very cool!
—Dan
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I only have maybe two dozen passwords at the very most, and delete all cookies at least several times a day. My browsers remember my passwords, so I don't have to re-enter any personally, just click to log in. —Dan
On Monday/28December/2020, at 6:28 PM, Neil Sloane <njasloane@gmail.com> wrote:
but if you delete all your cookies, you will have to reenter all your thousands of passwords
Okay, tried, didn't work, prob. has to do w/ IP logging, or maybe I'm too stypid to delete cookies right. --Brad On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:12 PM Fred Lunnon <fred.lunnon@gmail.com> wrote:
<< Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics? >>
Try closing the NYT page, deleting cookies ("clear browsing data" or whatever), re-opening the page.
On 12/29/20, Brad Klee <bradklee@gmail.com> wrote:
Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics?
Although the genus Nelumbo is very old according to the fossil record, the two extant species in the genus are estimated to be quite young, having diverged approximately 1.5 (0.3–4.2) Ma (Table 2). Thus, rather than representing relicts from different ancestors on different continents, they appear to have diverged from a common ancestor. The two species can be artificially hybridized, and a conspecific status has been suggested(Huang et al., 1992). The dispute over the specific status of the two species had been discussed previously (Tian& Zhou, 2006).
Quoted from combat files with Chas or Julian or whoever. Read at your own risk, Not Safe For Work or University:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/c/dndT6A5WUIs
Happy New Year,
--Brad
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:10 PM Dan Asimov <asimov@msri.org> wrote:
Very, very cool!
—Dan
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Okay thanks Edwin Clark, this part was very funny to me:
No psionic fields, no morphic resonances, no élan vital, no dualism. It’s all right there. And the fact that it can still support complex adaptively appropriate structures that do things is also important.
Curiosity about “Psionic fields” and “morphic resonances” aside, this sentiment echoes Queen’s Gambit Beth’s feeling about the chess board. But I agree with Beth, there is more to life—including the fact that lotus seeds can live dormant for 100s of years before planting. That it is more an issue what Darwin cares about! How can GOL represent a seed that lies dormant from t=0...300, then expands exponentially over the next 100 or 200 timesteps? Congratulations Thomas and Adam for the Life mention in NYT, much better PR than being suspect accused of murder/suicide puppeteering in NBT!!! Here’s to a lot better 2021, hopefully! —Brad
On Dec 28, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Brad Klee <bradklee@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, tried, didn't work, prob. has to do w/ IP logging, or maybe I'm too stypid to delete cookies right. --Brad
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:12 PM Fred Lunnon <fred.lunnon@gmail.com> wrote: << Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics? >>
Try closing the NYT page, deleting cookies ("clear browsing data" or whatever), re-opening the page.
On 12/29/20, Brad Klee <bradklee@gmail.com> wrote:
Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics?
Although the genus Nelumbo is very old according to the fossil record, the two extant species in the genus are estimated to be quite young, having diverged approximately 1.5 (0.3–4.2) Ma (Table 2). Thus, rather than representing relicts from different ancestors on different continents, they appear to have diverged from a common ancestor. The two species can be artificially hybridized, and a conspecific status has been suggested(Huang et al., 1992). The dispute over the specific status of the two species had been discussed previously (Tian& Zhou, 2006).
Quoted from combat files with Chas or Julian or whoever. Read at your own risk, Not Safe For Work or University:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/c/dndT6A5WUIs
Happy New Year,
--Brad
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:10 PM Dan Asimov <asimov@msri.org> wrote:
Very, very cool!
—Dan
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Dennett is rightly skeptical of those pseudoscientific notions. Trouble is, he takes skepticism so far that he doesn't believe in the existence of qualia (like the experience of the color red). —Dan Daniel Dennett said (in NYT article about Conway's Game of Life):
No psionic fields, no morphic resonances, no élan vital, no dualism. It’s all right there. And the fact that it can still support complex adaptively appropriate structures that do things is also important.
I have a few thoughts in response to Brad's question about a GoL pattern whose growth emulates that of a seed, with a quiescent phase and then an aggressive growth phase. First, if I were going to design such a pattern, I would try for something that would be stable until hit by a glider, at which point it would start to grow. The triggering glider could be launched from an arbitrary distance away, so the quiescent phase could be as long as you wanted. By folding the glider's path with reflectors, you could compress the "fuse" portion so that it occupied a more circumscribed space, but philosophically I'm not sure it's necessary or desired. Does a lotus seed have an internal timer that just goes off after a century? Or is it waiting on an external signal, like a water pulse? If the latter, the glider would be the analogue of the arrival of the rains. The rest of the "seed" could be almost or completely quiescent. We could do this with a glider gun pointed at an eater that consumes all the gun's output, until a glider arrives from a different direction and knocks out the eater. Now, as far as exponential growth after the seed is triggered, no can do. GoL has a ceiling of quadratic growth. Now, the real world has a similar polynomial ceiling, (probably cubic) but the typical time constants are so different that our universe can support temporary exponential growth, which goes until it hits some resource ceiling. After that there is often a polynomial growth phase (as we see with the geographic spread of an invasive species). I would imagine that GoL can also support temporary exponential growth, if the time constant were so low that the objects could get away from each other before reproducing. The objects would be very clunky and unsatisfying; nobody is claiming that GoL physics is anywhere near as agile, resilient, and pretty as real-world chemistry. On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 2:23 AM Dan Asimov <dasimov@earthlink.net> wrote:
Dennett is rightly skeptical of those pseudoscientific notions.
Trouble is, he takes skepticism so far that he doesn't believe in the existence of qualia (like the experience of the color red).
—Dan
Daniel Dennett said (in NYT article about Conway's Game of Life):
No psionic fields, no morphic resonances, no élan vital, no dualism. It’s all right there. And the fact that it can still support complex adaptively appropriate structures that do things is also important.
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On 29/12/2020 07:23, Dan Asimov wrote:
Dennett is rightly skeptical of those pseudoscientific notions.
Trouble is, he takes skepticism so far that he doesn't believe in the existence of qualia (like the experience of the color red).
That doesn't mean that he doesn't think people don't experience the colour red. It just means he doesn't think that it's fruitful to analyse how that happens in terms of _things_ that somehow embody the essence of those experiences. "Trouble is, Einstein takes skepticism so far that he doesn't believe in the force of gravity." (He believes that gravity is what you get when things follow geodesics in spacetime.[1]) "Trouble is, set theorists take skepticism so far that they don't believe in the set-theoretical universe they're working with." (They believe that there is no universal _set_.[2]) "Trouble is, geocentrists take skepticism so far that they don't believe the sun rises." (They believe that the earth rotates in a way that makes the sun's apparent position in the sky change.) [1] I am not sure whether the actual historical Einstein thought it wrong to call gravity a "force". I know that some later physicists have expressed that opinion. [2] At least, those who work in ZF-like set theories and are platonist about mathematical objects. -- g
GM: "Trouble is, geocentrists take skepticism so far that they don't believe the sun rises." (They believe that the earth rotates in a way that makes the sun's apparent position in the sky change.) I am reminded of Firesign Theatre's 1969 comedy album "How Can You Be in Two Places at Once When You're Not Anywhere at All?": BABE: No, no! That's all very interesting, but the sun is going down! BILL: Oh, no, no! You are confused! The horizon is moving up!
Sounds reasonable. Opera browser has a VPN option which will circumvent that conveniently via access from abroad. Mind you, all the ads will be in Swedish or whatnot ... On 12/29/20, Brad Klee <bradklee@gmail.com> wrote:
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<< Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics? >>
Try closing the NYT page, deleting cookies ("clear browsing data" or whatever), re-opening the page.
On 12/29/20, Brad Klee <bradklee@gmail.com> wrote:
Paywalled this, is paywalled that, can't even read this, can't even read that, What's new in the world of the Game of Life of genomics?
Although the genus Nelumbo is very old according to the fossil record, the two extant species in the genus are estimated to be quite young, having diverged approximately 1.5 (0.3–4.2) Ma (Table 2). Thus, rather than representing relicts from different ancestors on different continents, they appear to have diverged from a common ancestor. The two species can be artificially hybridized, and a conspecific status has been suggested(Huang et al., 1992). The dispute over the specific status of the two species had been discussed previously (Tian& Zhou, 2006).
Quoted from combat files with Chas or Julian or whoever. Read at your own risk, Not Safe For Work or University:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/c/dndT6A5WUIs
Happy New Year,
--Brad
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 7:10 PM Dan Asimov <asimov@msri.org> wrote:
Very, very cool!
—Dan
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