I read mail over a link to unix, and have *never* had a virus. I de- installed Norton for its uncontrollable popups, surfing naked for a few days due to 15hr dialup download for F-Secure. Finally got it, thanks to Ed Hudson. First scan reported three unspecified viruses, then died in an infinite loop while reading mfarch/math-fun-archive-950622-960702 ! Really died. Not even killing the window killed the looping process. So I rebooted and just scanned mfarch. Two viruses reported, then the same death. I buzzed through the whole file with emacs. Nothing amiss. So I punted F-Secure and downloaded Panda, which ran ten times faster, deleted a bunch of cookies, and also excised the raw text of some classic viri from some ancient inboxes that I knew were "infected" and only open with emacs. (Norton, Trend, and F-Secure missed these, perhaps deliberately.) Panda did not attack the virus definitions presumably in the F-Secure download (which survived the deinstall) nor anything in mfarch. Does anyone else have F-Secure and mfarch? Do I have an incredibly subtle virus whose purpose is to embarrass F-Secure? --rwg DELUSIONAL OULED-NAIL'S ANDOUILLES