Re: [math-fun] correct name for 4-D donut?
The simplest example of this induction step is showing that T^2 embeds in R^3, assuming that T^1 embeds in R^2. Let T := T^1 be embedded in R^2 as the circle of radius 2 about (0,0). At time s, for -1 <= s <= 1, let P_s := { p in R^2 | dist(p, T) = sqrt(1-s^2) } P_s is one circle for s = +-1. Otherwise P_s is the union of two circles, of radii 2 +- sqrt(1-s^2). Now consider the subset X of R^2 x R^1 = R^3 defined by X := {(p,s) in R^2 x R^1 | -1 <= s <= 1 and p in P_s}. It's easy to visualize exactly what X looks like since it's in R^3. Clearly, X is a 2-torus embedded in R^3. That's because what we have here is a T^2 x C, where C is the circle obtained by identifying two intervals by glueing their left endpoints together, and also glueing their right endpoints together. (As a movie, C is just a single point that immediately separates into two points that reach their maximum separation, then retrace their steps by approaching each other until they coincide.) Noting that a T^1 is just (S^1)^1 = S^1: But one may also imagine the new dimension as time, in which case X is a movie of a varying point-set in R^2. This set at time s is just X_s := P_s x {s}. For s = -1 this is one T^1, which immediately separates into two T^1's that move away from each other, reach a maximum separation at s = 0, and then the two T^1's approach each other until coinciding at s = 1. The last paragraph generalizes to showing that if T^n embeds in R^(n+1), then T^(n+1) embeds in T^(n+2). --Dan Robert Munafo wrote: << I'm not sure I get it. I tried to use that description to show that the familiar torus T^2 can exist in R^3, but the resulting surface intersects itself. Placing the initial T^1 (which is a circle) on the X-Y plane, and treating the Z axis as the "time" dimension, and using the X axis as the direction in which the two copies get pushed while time is moving forward, I end up with the surface intersecting itself at various points in the Y-Z plane. I could use a 4th dimension to prevent this self-intersection, but then it's a bit hard to explain how you can twist half of the result around to embed the surface into R^3 in a non-self-intersecting way, or even to explain whether or not it is a Klein bottle. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 18:40, Dan Asimov <dasimov@earthlink.net> wrote: << This is a less elegant but maybe more transparent way to see that T^n embeds in R^(n+1): ---------- The induction step is typified by showing T^3 embeds in R^4, assuming T^2 embeds in R^3. Start from a T^2 = T_0 embedded in R^3. Letting the next dimension be "time", we make a short movie that starts with the T^2 embedded in R^3, which immediately separates into two T^2's that move apart to a maximum separation. (Just push T_0 off itself in R^3 in both directions.) This is the first half of the film; the rest of it is just the first half in reverse time order. ---------- The result can be thought of as two copies of T^2 x [0,1], with both copies of T^2 x {0} identified with each other, and also both copies of T^2 x {1} identified with each other. This is easily seen to be T^2 x S^1 topologically.
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Thank you Dan -- I get it now! The two copies of T change size, and are "pushed" apart from each other radially. I was imagining the two copies of T (or T_0 in your earlier description) remaining the same size and being pushed apart from each other purely by translation, with no rotation, shear, resizing, or anything else. Which makes it hard to avoid having them intersect each other (-: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 03:29, Dan Asimov <dasimov@earthlink.net> wrote:
The simplest example of this induction step is showing that T^2 embeds in R^3, assuming that T^1 embeds in R^2.
Let T := T^1 be embedded in R^2 as the circle of radius 2 about (0,0).
At time s, for -1 <= s <= 1, let
P_s := { p in R^2 | distance(p, T) = sqrt(1-s^2) }
P_s is one circle for s = +-1. Otherwise P_s is the union of two circles, of radii 2 +- sqrt(1-s^2). [...]
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