Re: [math-fun] Messages in pi (was Re: math novels?)
And, moderator, please tweak the list software to allow ISO-8859-1 accented letters through. It's okay to nuke Microsoft droppings and UTF-8 mojibake. Thanks. You get extra credit for turning Microsoft droppings back into what they were supposed to have been, e.g. the above-mentioned character back into three dots.
No!
It's ASCII or UTF-8. The codepage nonsense is so dead it ceased smelling ten years ago.
Strongly agree.
Seconded. If you want accented characters and math formulae, then use LaTeX. That's better than unreadable nonsense or those silly multi-line ASCII-art formulae. Just out of interest, what's the policy on UTF-8 (extended ASCII)? In particular, can everyone read the following sentence? `Professor Béla Bollobás has an Erdös number of (¾ + ½²).' There should be two acute accents, one umlaut (since Hungarian double acute accents are absent from UTF-8), two rationals and a square. Everything else is ASCII. Sincerely, Adam P. Goucher
The Hungarian ő is certainly in UTF-8, even in the BMP. Your message came through just fine for me. Charles Greathouse Analyst/Programmer Case Western Reserve University On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Adam P. Goucher <apgoucher@gmx.com> wrote:
And, moderator, please tweak the list software to allow ISO-8859-1 accented letters through. It's okay to nuke Microsoft droppings and UTF-8 mojibake. Thanks. You get extra credit for turning Microsoft droppings back into what they were supposed to have been, e.g. the above-mentioned character back into three dots.
No!
It's ASCII or UTF-8. The codepage nonsense is so dead it ceased smelling ten years ago.
Strongly agree.
Seconded. If you want accented characters and math formulae, then use LaTeX. That's better than unreadable nonsense or those silly multi-line ASCII-art formulae.
Just out of interest, what's the policy on UTF-8 (extended ASCII)? In particular, can everyone read the following sentence?
`Professor Béla Bollobás has an Erdös number of (¾ + ½²).'
There should be two acute accents, one umlaut (since Hungarian double acute accents are absent from UTF-8), two rationals and a square. Everything else is ASCII.
Sincerely,
Adam P. Goucher
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On 15/10/2013 04:03, Adam P. Goucher wrote:
Just out of interest, what's the policy on UTF-8 (extended ASCII)? In particular, can everyone read the following sentence?
`Professor Béla Bollobás has an Erdös number of (¾ + ½²).'
There should be two acute accents, one umlaut (since Hungarian double acute accents are absent from UTF-8), two rationals and a square. Everything else is ASCII.
The fourth letter of Erdős's name is in the Unicode character set. It is represented by a single code point, at position 337 (decimal), which in the UTF-8 encoding becomes two octets, 0xC5 0x91. -- g
My mail reader (Eudora) barfs on anything non-ASCII, including UTF8. I'd be interested in any suggestions for simple email readers that do UTF-8, but nothing more complicated. Things like Thunderbird are to bloated. Perhaps I should go back to Emacs for email reading? At 02:04 AM 10/15/2013, Gareth McCaughan wrote:
On 15/10/2013 04:03, Adam P. Goucher wrote:
Just out of interest, what's the policy on UTF-8 (extended ASCII)? In particular, can everyone read the following sentence?
`Professor Béla Bollobás has an Erdös number of (¾ + ½²).'
There should be two acute accents, one umlaut (since Hungarian double acute accents are absent from UTF-8), two rationals and a square. Everything else is ASCII.
The fourth letter of ErdÅs's name is in the Unicode character set.
It is represented by a single code point, at position 337 (decimal), which in the UTF-8 encoding becomes two octets, 0xC5 0x91.
-- g
Upgrade to Eudora 8, the 2008 version, where utf-8 support was added? On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com> wrote:
My mail reader (Eudora) barfs on anything non-ASCII, including UTF8.
I'd be interested in any suggestions for simple email readers that do UTF-8, but nothing more complicated. Things like Thunderbird are to bloated.
Perhaps I should go back to Emacs for email reading?
-- Forewarned is worth an octopus in the bush.
Or here's the older-Eudora plug-in to hack utf-8 best-effort support onto it: http://windharp.de/software/utf8iso.htm --Michael On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Michael Kleber <michael.kleber@gmail.com>wrote:
Upgrade to Eudora 8, the 2008 version, where utf-8 support was added?
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Henry Baker <hbaker1@pipeline.com> wrote:
My mail reader (Eudora) barfs on anything non-ASCII, including UTF8.
I'd be interested in any suggestions for simple email readers that do UTF-8, but nothing more complicated. Things like Thunderbird are to bloated.
Perhaps I should go back to Emacs for email reading?
-- Forewarned is worth an octopus in the bush.
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013, Henry Baker wrote:
My mail reader (Eudora) barfs on anything non-ASCII, including UTF8.
I'd be interested in any suggestions for simple email readers that do UTF-8, but nothing more complicated. Things like Thunderbird are to bloated.
Perhaps I should go back to Emacs for email reading?
I run pine, which is about as simple and primitive as you can get, and it displays utf8 just fine. I use it in gnome-terminal on my linux box at work and in the OS X Terminal program at home. I had to do a little configuration fiddling to get everyone to agree that utf8 was what we were all going to use, but it works well for me and gives me fairly good malware-proofing. When I ask it what version it is, it says Alpine 2.03 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) built Fri Dec 21 05:45:24 UTC 2012 on buildvm-31.phx2.fedoraproject.org -- Tom Duff. Only $29.95
[two answers in one mail] * Tom Duff <td@pixar.com> [Oct 16. 2013 18:21]:
On Wed, 16 Oct 2013, Henry Baker wrote:
My mail reader (Eudora) barfs on anything non-ASCII, including UTF8.
I'd be interested in any suggestions for simple email readers that do UTF-8, but nothing more complicated. Things like Thunderbird are to bloated.
Try mutt, I still have to see anything near as good as mutt, except...
Perhaps I should go back to Emacs for email reading?
That! I never mastered using it. Use it and totally be L337-o-saurus Rex.
I run pine, which is about as simple and primitive as you can get, and it displays utf8 just fine. I use it in gnome-terminal on my linux box at work and in the OS X Terminal program at home. I had to do a little configuration fiddling to get everyone to agree that utf8 was what we were all going to use, but it works well for me and gives me fairly good malware-proofing.
When I ask it what version it is, it says Alpine 2.03 (LRH 1266 2009-07-14) built Fri Dec 21 05:45:24 UTC 2012 on buildvm-31.phx2.fedoraproject.org
Try mutt! (I come from pine myself). Definitely use your favorite editor with it to compose mail (for favorite editor \in {emacs, vi}).
-- Tom Duff. Only $29.95
Btw. an email reader with graphics GUI that gave me a good impression is claws-mail (no L337-ness to be gained, though). jj, just 2 cents (Euro-cents)
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