[math-fun] A neat word I just forgot
I recently accidentally learned, and then carelessly forgot, a word (based on Greek roots perhaps) that describes prefixes and/or suffixes that negate the word that they're attached to. What are the word(s) you know that have this meaning? Jim Propp
lots of hits for "negative prefix" On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
I recently accidentally learned, and then carelessly forgot, a word (based on Greek roots perhaps) that describes prefixes and/or suffixes that negate the word that they're attached to.
What are the word(s) you know that have this meaning?
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On Jul 3, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Mike Stay <metaweta@gmail.com> wrote:
lots of hits for "negative prefix"
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com <mailto:jamespropp@gmail.com>> wrote:
I recently accidentally learned, and then carelessly forgot, a word (based on Greek roots perhaps) that describes prefixes and/or suffixes that negate the word that they're attached to.
What are the word(s) you know that have this meaning?
There's a single word like "anaphrastic" describing affixes that negate. That's what I'm struggling to recall. (I just made up the word "anaphrastic"; it probably means something, but that's irrelevant. The point is that the word I'm thinking of has the same sort of, dare I say, "cool"-ness, for those of us who like English words with southern Mediterranean flavoring.) Jim On Friday, July 3, 2015, Dan Asimov <asimov@msri.org> wrote:
I confess, sometimes I wonder if all math-fun members are familiar with the concept of googling.
—Dan
On Jul 3, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Mike Stay <metaweta@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
lots of hits for "negative prefix"
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com <javascript:;> <mailto:jamespropp@gmail.com <javascript:;>>> wrote:
I recently accidentally learned, and then carelessly forgot, a word (based on Greek roots perhaps) that describes prefixes and/or suffixes that negate the word that they're attached to.
What are the word(s) you know that have this meaning?
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Fred Helenius found the word: "privative". Thanks, Fred! Jim On Friday, July 3, 2015, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
There's a single word like "anaphrastic" describing affixes that negate. That's what I'm struggling to recall.
(I just made up the word "anaphrastic"; it probably means something, but that's irrelevant. The point is that the word I'm thinking of has the same sort of, dare I say, "cool"-ness, for those of us who like English words with southern Mediterranean flavoring.)
Jim
On Friday, July 3, 2015, Dan Asimov <asimov@msri.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','asimov@msri.org');>> wrote:
I confess, sometimes I wonder if all math-fun members are familiar with the concept of googling.
—Dan
On Jul 3, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Mike Stay <metaweta@gmail.com> wrote:
lots of hits for "negative prefix"
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:10 PM, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com <mailto:jamespropp@gmail.com>> wrote:
I recently accidentally learned, and then carelessly forgot, a word (based on Greek roots perhaps) that describes prefixes and/or suffixes that negate the word that they're attached to.
What are the word(s) you know that have this meaning?
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This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not contain a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it contain "privation": The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth Hilarie
I knew the word "privative" but I didn't think that's what it meant. A privative affix means "without, lacking"; an example in English is the suffix -less; "paperless" means "without paper"; it does not mean "not paper". Further, the prefix non- is not privative, at least according to the meaning of the word I was taught. On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not contain a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it contain "privation":
The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth
Hilarie
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I have to add that the Wikipedia article on "Privative" agrees with Jim and Fred, and disagrees with me. Perhaps linguists use it in a different, technical sense. On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Allan Wechsler <acwacw@gmail.com> wrote:
I knew the word "privative" but I didn't think that's what it meant. A privative affix means "without, lacking"; an example in English is the suffix -less; "paperless" means "without paper"; it does not mean "not paper". Further, the prefix non- is not privative, at least according to the meaning of the word I was taught.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not contain a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it contain "privation":
The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth
Hilarie
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Miriam-Webster too: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privative On 04-Jul-15 09:04, Allan Wechsler wrote:
I have to add that the Wikipedia article on "Privative" agrees with Jim and Fred, and disagrees with me. Perhaps linguists use it in a different, technical sense.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Allan Wechsler <acwacw@gmail.com> wrote:
I knew the word "privative" but I didn't think that's what it meant. A privative affix means "without, lacking"; an example in English is the suffix -less; "paperless" means "without paper"; it does not mean "not paper". Further, the prefix non- is not privative, at least according to the meaning of the word I was taught.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not contain a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it contain "privation":
The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth
Hilarie
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In a phrase like "purported proof", is "purported" privative? Or is there some other word linguists use for an adjective that partly undermines the noun or adjective that follows or precedes it? What about the word "generalized" in the phrase "generalized manifold" (meaning something that satisfies some but not all of the manifold axioms)? Jim Propp On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Mike Speciner <ms@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Miriam-Webster too: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privative
On 04-Jul-15 09:04, Allan Wechsler wrote:
I have to add that the Wikipedia article on "Privative" agrees with Jim and Fred, and disagrees with me. Perhaps linguists use it in a different, technical sense.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Allan Wechsler <acwacw@gmail.com> wrote:
I knew the word "privative" but I didn't think that's what it meant. A
privative affix means "without, lacking"; an example in English is the suffix -less; "paperless" means "without paper"; it does not mean "not paper". Further, the prefix non- is not privative, at least according to the meaning of the word I was taught.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not
contain a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it contain "privation":
The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth
Hilarie
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We're about to walk to Queen's Park and sit on the grass for a couple of hours...want to pop by? Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jul 2015, at 17:03, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
In a phrase like "purported proof", is "purported" privative? Or is there some other word linguists use for an adjective that partly undermines the noun or adjective that follows or precedes it?
What about the word "generalized" in the phrase "generalized manifold" (meaning something that satisfies some but not all of the manifold axioms)?
Jim Propp
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Mike Speciner <ms@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Miriam-Webster too: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privative
On 04-Jul-15 09:04, Allan Wechsler wrote:
I have to add that the Wikipedia article on "Privative" agrees with Jim and Fred, and disagrees with me. Perhaps linguists use it in a different, technical sense.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Allan Wechsler <acwacw@gmail.com> wrote:
I knew the word "privative" but I didn't think that's what it meant. A
privative affix means "without, lacking"; an example in English is the suffix -less; "paperless" means "without paper"; it does not mean "not paper". Further, the prefix non- is not privative, at least according to the meaning of the word I was taught.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not
contain a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it contain "privation":
The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth
Hilarie
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Darn! Just saw your invitation. I was going to say "Sure, if you'll provide teleportation", but at this point you'd have to provide time-travel as well. Thanks anyway, Jim Propp (Belmont, Massachusetts, USA) On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Alex Bellos <alexbellos@gmail.com> wrote:
We're about to walk to Queen's Park and sit on the grass for a couple of hours...want to pop by?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jul 2015, at 17:03, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
In a phrase like "purported proof", is "purported" privative? Or is there some other word linguists use for an adjective that partly undermines the noun or adjective that follows or precedes it?
What about the word "generalized" in the phrase "generalized manifold" (meaning something that satisfies some but not all of the manifold axioms)?
Jim Propp
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Mike Speciner <ms@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Miriam-Webster too: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privative
On 04-Jul-15 09:04, Allan Wechsler wrote:
I have to add that the Wikipedia article on "Privative" agrees with Jim and Fred, and disagrees with me. Perhaps linguists use it in a different, technical sense.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Allan Wechsler <acwacw@gmail.com> wrote:
I knew the word "privative" but I didn't think that's what it meant. A
privative affix means "without, lacking"; an example in English is the suffix -less; "paperless" means "without paper"; it does not mean "not paper". Further, the prefix non- is not privative, at least according to the meaning of the word I was taught.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not
contain a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it contain "privation":
The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth
Hilarie
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I was wondering why the person I thought I had sent that to hadnt replied! Shame. I have teleportation. Time travel only next year. Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jul 2015, at 20:13, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
Darn! Just saw your invitation. I was going to say "Sure, if you'll provide teleportation", but at this point you'd have to provide time-travel as well.
Thanks anyway,
Jim Propp (Belmont, Massachusetts, USA)
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Alex Bellos <alexbellos@gmail.com> wrote:
We're about to walk to Queen's Park and sit on the grass for a couple of hours...want to pop by?
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Jul 2015, at 17:03, James Propp <jamespropp@gmail.com> wrote:
In a phrase like "purported proof", is "purported" privative? Or is there some other word linguists use for an adjective that partly undermines the noun or adjective that follows or precedes it?
What about the word "generalized" in the phrase "generalized manifold" (meaning something that satisfies some but not all of the manifold axioms)?
Jim Propp
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Mike Speciner <ms@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Miriam-Webster too: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privative
On 04-Jul-15 09:04, Allan Wechsler wrote:
I have to add that the Wikipedia article on "Privative" agrees with Jim and Fred, and disagrees with me. Perhaps linguists use it in a different, technical sense.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Allan Wechsler <acwacw@gmail.com> wrote:
I knew the word "privative" but I didn't think that's what it meant. A
privative affix means "without, lacking"; an example in English is the suffix -less; "paperless" means "without paper"; it does not mean "not paper". Further, the prefix non- is not privative, at least according to the meaning of the word I was taught.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Hilarie Orman <ho@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
This seems like an excellent treatise on the subject, and it does not > contain > a word that subsumes the concept of "negative prefixation" nor does it > contain "privation": > > The History of Negation in the Languages of Europe and the Mediterranean > edited by David Willis, Christopher Lucas, Anne Breitbarth > > Hilarie > > _______________________________________________ > math-fun mailing list > math-fun@mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/math-fun _______________________________________________ math-fun mailing list math-fun@mailman.xmission.com https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/math-fun
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Not if you have read Lewis Carroll: "The rule is, jam to-morrow and jam yesterday --- but never jam to-day." WFL On 7/5/15, Gareth McCaughan <gareth.mccaughan@pobox.com> wrote:
On 04/07/2015 20:42, Alex Bellos wrote:
Shame. I have teleportation. Time travel only next year.
That seems like an eminently fixable problem.
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