[math-fun] Re: Error in Scientific American math puzzle.
"A family has two children, at least one of whom is a boy; what is the probability that both are boys?"
and
"A family has two children, at least one of whom is a boy named Bartholomew; what is the probability that both are boys?"
have different answers.
Well, I could be wrong; these matters are notoriously slippery. But let me reconstruct my understanding (it's been a few years since I taught probability) and then you can tell me if you buy it. I'll start by taking probability theory out of the problem and turning the two questions into demographic questions: "Of those families that have two children, at least one of whom is a boy, what fraction are two-boy families?" "Of those families that have two children, at least one of whom is a boy named Bartholomew, what fraction are two-boy families?" Among four million two-child families, we'll have three million that have at least one boy, and one million of those families are two-boy families, so the answer to the first question is 1 million divided by 3 million, or 1/3. For the second question, let's assume (for definiteness) that one child in a thousand is named Bartholomew. So, of the two million families with one boy and one girl, there are 2000 families with a boy named Bartholomew, and of the one million families with two boys, there are 1000 two-boy families in which the older boy is named Bartholomew and 1000 two-boy famlies in which the younger boy is named Bartholomew. (There may also be 1 family in which both boys are named Bartholomew --- cf. the Dr. Seuss poem "Too Many Daves" --- but they are too few to skew the demographics by much.) That makes 2000 two-boy families in which at least one of the children is a boy named Bartholomew. So the answer to the second question is 2000 divided by 2000+2000, or 1/2. If you think my reasoning is wrong (not just dependent on unstated assumptions that might shift the answers slightly from 1/3 and 1/2, but seriously wrong), please let me know where my mistake is. Jim Propp
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006, James Propp wrote:
For the second question, let's assume (for definiteness) that one child in a thousand is named Bartholomew. So, of the two million families with one boy and one girl, there are 2000 families with a boy named Bartholomew, and of the one million families with two boys, there are 1000 two-boy families in which the older boy is named Bartholomew and 1000 two-boy famlies in which the younger boy is named Bartholomew. (There may also be 1 family in which both boys are named Bartholomew --- cf. the Dr. Seuss poem "Too Many Daves" --- but they are too few to skew the demographics by much.) That makes 2000 two-boy families in which at least one of the children is a boy named Bartholomew. So the answer to the second question is 2000 divided by 2000+2000, or 1/2.
Interesting! You've convinced me, if we stipulate that each boy has a uniform probability of being named Bart (so that two-boy families have twice the chance of having a Bart). If we instead assumed that each family had a uniform pribability of naming a child Bart, I think my original claim would be correct, that it would be no different from the original problem of simply knowing that at least one child was a boy. Or, I suppose my assumption in my earlier message also works, but is even less, er, probable: if you made me dictator-for-life, and I decreed that every firstborn child be named Bartholomew, then knowing that there was a Bart wouldn't change anything. Heh, I was going to make a silly comment about "but what are the probabilities if the boy's name is *Steve*?", but then I realized that we could make it into one of Joshua's real-world kinds of problems by asking about boys named Mohammed. -J Trab pu kcip. Trab pu kcip!
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